Negating all cc is too strong.
You could make it shield for a 1.25 ap ratio, but have it block only one hard cc, then it would be ok.
A lot of champs without the ap burst to negate the shield who rely on cc get absolutely cucked by it.
RiotRiot Morgageddon8 votesDo keep in mind, her E is actually toned down from the original version of it.
Her E used to not only prevent CC, but remove it from any target if you cast it on an ally currently experiencing some form of CC.
Her kit is in a good and bad place, depending on whether you prefer her to be a mid laner or a support.
If she is intended to be a support, changing her ult and how her E interacts may be ideal, while if you want to play her mid lane you may want to change her W and Q perhaps.
Lasagna's (Zhonya) is still a good item on her, but I find a more useful one currently to ensure the ult finishes on targets of opportunity early/mid game is protobelt. Her teamfight is still great, and the ability to force people to scatter is a key function of her kit, but with lowered AP on current Zhonya you can't expect to actually burst or have meaningful damage without teammates, something old Morg used to be able to do and current Morg struggles with on a first item buy Zhonya if needed to survive.
I find just enough HP to survive mid game teamfights and building Zhonya 3rd or even 4th is more useful as a mid game item, since rooting until the next game starts usually has enough benefits that your team can play around the picked target. As a support I could argue Zhonya is more useful since extending deep into the enemy team and ulting/Hourglass forces them to scatter or get stunned, allowing your team to pick up extra damage/kills from it. However, you're still super dead as a support Morg at that point.
I digress though, we're talking about her E.
Morg is a tactical pick who will always be okay in lane, be it bot or mid, because of her kit. You may never expect her to win lane, but you should always expect her to be relevant due to the combination of skills she has to offer engage and disengage. Building a team that doesn't have a spell strong enough to pop her E on a carry is a noticeable risk in champion selection depending on what your team is trying to draft together. Just as picking Morgana offers very long cooldowns (even with CDR) to counter her.
Until, or if (I don't work on champ design or reworks) Morgana has a rework, expect her to fill that duality of an average midlaner who will hold it down and start fights, or a support who gives a get-out-of-jail free card every 15 seconds or so late game, and once her E/Q are down, has no defensive capabilities but to all-in or flee.
Poke her with physical damage. Bait out her E and then crush her once it's clear. Make her burn long cooldowns on the threat of being killed. Her E isn't a huge problem if you figure out how each player decides to uses it in game, then abuse it. Perhaps that's too much attention needed to do the job, but that's an easy way to play around her.
JhomasTefferson1 votesJust because her e and q are down doesn't mean I or my team can go in.
By the time the shield runs out, the out of position-ness that we were trying to capitalize on will be gone, and we still cant just dive with all 5 into the fight cuz she can ult zhonya.
Attticus Finch6 votesBy the time the shield runs out, the out of position-ness that we were trying to capitalize on will be gone, and we still cant just dive with all 5 into the fight cuz she can ult zhonya.
Then she's working as intended.
JhomasTefferson1 votesso how does one punish mistakes by her or her teammates, if those mistakes are negated with black shield?
DarkRitual2 votesOnce she casts black shild on one person, the rest of the team instantly loses the chance to be immune to CC for a short while (barring some execptions like Sivir and Banshee's).
Force her to shield someone, then kill someone else (Morgana is a good target, which then prevents any more CC immunities while she is dead).
Mordepool5 votesMorgana is balanced has been since her inception when they give her an VGU. I'm thinking they will only Rework her passive so that way spell vamp is 100% removed
Awoof1 votesMorgana is balanced has been since her inception when they give her an VGU. I'm thinking they will only Rework her passive so that way spell vamp is 100% removed
There are still spellvamp runes and masteries. And it's not like her passive can break other mages, so that on it's own would be a silly reason.
Attticus Finch3 votesNope, it's fine. Just break the shield, or bait it out first.
Stephenizgod3 votesMorgana's Black Shield is actually just fine, Morgana as a champion is really balanced. She is fairly easy to shut down, you just need to focus fire her before she gets into place with her Ult. You either force her Zhonya's and then kill her when its done or you kill her before she can ult+zhonya's.
Btw her shield blocks 350 + 70% AP, the average Morgana (support) builds 
as far as AP goes and gets roughly 15 AP from Runes with i think 15 AP from Natural Talent. Which means she has about 150 Ap at level 18, 70% of that is 105 so her shield blocks about 455 AP damage. That is a lot of shield for sure but if we look at what it takes to break it, it is actually not that much.
Lets look at a high win rate mage, Annie. Average build and runes for Annie are 
with 15 AP from runes and 15 AP from Masteries. So a total of 715 Ap (Rabadons 35% boost, but my math could be wrong). Annie's Q deals 220 +80% AP, so 792 magic damage. Shield broken, with one ability not counting Luden's proc.
Since that is a common build on a lot of mages we will just use it on a few more, like Brand who's Q would deal around 590 damage, not including burn. Vel'koz Q deals 669, Syndra Q 760, Ziggs 719, etc. Obviously not all of those champions build pure AP but as you can see they would only need to build about 500 AP to break her shield with only 1 ability.
Now if you are talking about Mid Morgana a common build is 
which is about 640 AP (with runes/masteries). So her shield would block 798 magic damage, that is a helluva lot more shield but even so it would take 2 abilities to break it. For a champion like Brand all you would need to do is E then W then Q and you would stun her. Syndra would need to Q then W then E and it would stun her. Annie would only need to hit her twice before being able to stun her. Most of the time, those are the normal combos for those mages anyways.
The shield is used to help an ally escape a single CC or engage without fear of being stopped. It is not really meant as a shield against magic damage, because most mages can break it with 1 or 2 abilities. Yes you can't just throw CC at her shield, but if you are smart about how you attack a Black Shielded opponent, it isn't really much of an issue by itself. If you are being zoned off by her shield, you are not playing correctly.
Honestly though all my math could be wrong because I am very tired and did most of this in my head, so please someone feel free to correct me.
JhomasTefferson1 votesI don't have an issue with her ult, w or q. Just the shield. They could buff her in other ways so overall shes not nerfed. The shield is just too strong vs too many champs.
edit: I also don't have an issue with the amount it shields for. I have an issue with it blocking cc multiple cc's. That's too valuable for a team. If it needs to be broken to not block cc, then maybe it should be a smaller shield.
Stephenizgod2 votesWell that was the point of my comment... I was showing you how you deal with her shield. It only blocks multiple CC's if you are dumb enough to throw multiple CC at a Black Shielded opponent. I was not showing you its shield strength for fun, it was so you could see that its not hard to get around her shield. You hit the opponent with 2 abilities AND THEN use CC or just CC another opponent. Remember in a Teamfight there are multiple people attacking targets, so only 2 people need to use 1 ability each and then you can break her shield.
I understand that throwing CC at an opponent only for her to shield it, can be upsetting, but you need to adjust your playstyle. If there is a morgana around it may not be the wisest choice to just use all your CC willy nilly. You need to fake her out, throw one ability at her and then another at her ADC. She can only shield one person so if you play mind games with her you can get her to waste her shield. Furthermore the shield has a 23-15 second cool down, that is a very long time to play around her shield. Very few magic damage abilities have that long of a cool down (excluding ults).
JhomasTefferson1 votesWhat if im playing panth and the morgana is good enough to shield my target mid jump? what do? I cant bait it then, because she wont cast it till im hoping towards them with a stun.
Edit: what if im playing darius?
My issue isn't how she interacts with mages who have cc. Its how she interacts with every ad champ that has cc. Without their cc, they cant really do much besides a half decent amount of damage. Their cc is what enables them to be an effective champ, and without it theyre kinda useless.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswell paths stun is 13 seconds her shield is 23 seconds if you get cool down you will be able to use it to bait it out. and while it still is on cool down and yours has a lower cool down your stun will be up before her shield will be again then you can go ham and kill her... just as i stated in your other thread about morgana...
also just chunk spears at the bitch . her shield dont block them in any way
its where 75% of panths damage /power comes from
JhomasTefferson1 votestrue, most damage does come from the spears, but I cant kill her without the stun.
and, if morg is playing well, she wont get close enough to me for me to stun her until it's up again.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthen when its on cd and you know a full combo with 
is gonna net a kill flash stun and kill her
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesas pantheon you most likely run a 12-18-0 set up
taking savagery , assassin, merciless, dangerous game, precision, and thunderloards .. if vs morg take intelligence and start with 5% cdr
and in the 12 ( ferocity tree ) take sorcery , double edge sword , natural talent for the free early game ad making his early game stronger and bounty hunter
run armor pen marks, ad quints, hp seals and your choice mr blues, or cdr blues
if you take flat cdr blues you start with 7.5% cdr +5% from intelligence for 13% cdr and your 1st item is typically 
for another 10% cdr for a total of 23% cdr and your stun has a 13 second cd at lvl 1 rank with 23% cdr it reduces it down by 3 seconds making it 10seconds long ...
you can use your stun 2 times per her using her shield once being at 23%
JhomasTefferson1 votesThat's relying on her being stupid. if morg has half a brain she wont get close until its up again.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesshe has to farm... you can position the wave in a way where she has to come out of safety and closer to your range... her auto range isnt any longer then your Q
and your q is off cooldown so quickly
also dont play pantheon into her if you have issues in that match up try a different champ
there are 132 others
Stephenizgod2 votesOk but that is what Morgana is made to counter, someone jumping on her ADC like that. You back off and come back when your CC is back up. If you are Pantheon you could probably just kill someone without your stun. You probably are not alone anyways, if you are attacking Morg it is probably a 3v2 at least, so you can bait the shield yourself or you can ask your support to do it. If you are going in 1v2, that is your fault and its a dumb move to go in by yourself unless you are ridiculously fed in which case her shield shouldn't really matter at that point.
Darius can just back off and come back when the shield goes away. Use your E, she shields it, you can continue to play aggro if you want and dodge her Q but you can just back off. Your E comes off CD then you go back in.
I mean honestly her shield is the counter to CC like Pantheons and Darius', it is sort of what it is made for. However that doesn't make it omnipotent, there are ways to bait it out, break it, or play around it. At the very least you can just not try to CC a target when you know Morgana still has her shield up. If you haven't seen her use it yet, get someone to make her use it or go to a different lane. In a teamfight, well I already explained how to deal with her shield in a teamfight.
JhomasTefferson1 votesShes being played mid, im jg, im taking scuttle in front of drag and she roams bot. Its a 1v1.
I don't play darius, I just thought he was an ok example.
could also be.
Yes, I realize I can still damage her with ad thru the shield, but if I sit on her to continue to damage her, I get point blank q'd. If I step back a little to outplay the root, I don't have cc to lock her down once I catch back up to her, if I can catch back up to her.
Stephenizgod2 votesDodge her Q, move out of her W, and don't get hit by her ult. All of those champions will be able to kill her if they play it properly. Her shield lasts 5 seconds, without her Q or W she has no way to fight back or escape.
Morgana's shield is not that big of an issue to be honest, if you are struggling against it with all these different champions, perhaps you are not playing against it properly.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteshe wont stop crying til he gets his way no matter how much its explained to him on how to play around her shield...
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 voteswait to cc her after her shield is down... or runs out... it has a 23 second cool down with no CDR and it is the skill maxed last in most cases. it dont stop her from taking physical damage at all or physical spells... it stops magic damage and cc.
there is nothing wrong with her shield
The Deckowner2 votesI broke Morgana shield as Thresh with only E and thunderlord proc, non ap champion can easily break the shield.
JhomasTefferson1 votesThresh is a unique case. He can build full ad and still do a lot of magic damage.
The Deckowner1 votesI am talking about support tank 
khorney1 voteshere is a thought ban her ......
JhomasTefferson1 voteswhy do they nerf champs at all then? you can just ban them!
oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votesshe doesnt need a nerf... maybe you need to become a better player
JhomasTefferson1 votesYasuo never needed nerfs either then. Niether did tank ekko or kass. People just needed to learn to play better.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votessome champs are over tunned and have a clear power imbalance, morg isnt one of them... did you read the post the RIOTer made at all? do you see how you are in the minority of your thought and opinion? and yes yasou did have a bug and was a bit over tuned and RIOT said so and corrected it. kass was flat out broken in season 3 and if you didnt ban him there was zero counter play to him, he had a 100% ban rate... 100% and was banned in pro play as well for that. i typically have zero issues about tank ekko... and for champs that are hard for me instead of making post crying over them ( check my history not one ) i try to learn how i can beat them.
khorney1 votesi just ban morg becuase she is op.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesyou have that right and choice to do so... but she isnt OP
khorney1 votesokay i hate dealing with her long ass root and how her black shield negates me........ all she has to do is get lucky and hit 1 q and thats it........ i can careless about some of these other bans that people do.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthat is perfectly fine... and when there are 10 bans all players will have a say in what they want to not play against... nothing wrong with banning a champ you dont like dealing with ...
khorney1 votesand people underestimate her.... just like the last game i was in i said ban morg they were like nah morg is a noob ban and what happens lands roots and black shields all day .......
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesand i play her (one of my mains ) at support and im fairly good with her... she has counter play... dont bunch and group ... blow her up if she tries to position her self in the middle of a fight before she ults or zhyonas
she can only cc one target with Q and can only protect one with E ... 5 man full ults on her is rare and you have to time and position properly to do so
JhomasTefferson1 votesBeing in the minority doesn't make one wrong.
The majority used to think homosexuality was a perversion.
And there is zero counterplay to the shield
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesyou are wrong. and you need to learn to play around it... and there is counter play... but keep crying instead of learning and see how far that gets you
JhomasTefferson1 votesWhat is the counterplay? I've been trying to learn.
If you don't have ap burst, are ad and rely on cc, and don't have the sticking potential to wait it out, there is no counterplay.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesif you are ad you have physical damage... there is the time when her shield is on cool down ... it is 23 seconds long at lvl 1 that is 3 seconds longer them blitzcranks Q which grabs you and pulls you to death and a far more punishing ability then her black shield ...
i have stated this stuff on your other post regarding her shield last week and the RIOTer made valid points... just like all champs... they have cooldowns.. and you abuse them when its on cool down or you bait it out and make them use it and wait til it runs out or focus the target she didnt use the shield on...
this has been stated over and over...
JhomasTefferson1 votesBlitz's q can be dodged. I cant dodge her shield.
Focusing the person she didn't shield is not always an option. for example, jinx lategame with runans, bt and nearly full crit. Unless she is hard cc'ed, lifesteal will enable her to heal for all damage done to her. And, if we don't focus her, she will kill us. Lose-lose situation.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesdo you see how you are in the minority of your thought and opinion?
Hey now you can't use that argument, you call people who are in the majority sheep remember? :P
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteshe is sheep for crying that this champ is OP and needs nerfs to be able to be played against...
dont start something ya cant handle friend [slayer-jinx-wink]
JhomasTefferson1 votesI don't think it needs to be an overall nerf. Make the shield bigger, buff her w, make her q faster, just don't let it block an infinite amount of cc.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesbut its not an infinite amount...
stop making stuff up
JhomasTefferson1 votes
imagine that is the team. The shield can block that entire teams cc if they all throw it at her in 5 seconds.
And yes it is infinite. "All cc" That indicates that, if an infinite amount of cc were thrown at her in those 5 seconds, it would all be negated.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesim so done trying to help you and no team would ever use all their cc on one target like that at once...
and if the tf is any good he already out scaled morg and has enough ap to blow pass her shield with one red card...
JhomasTefferson1 votesI know, that was just to illustrate the point that it "can" block an infinite amount of cc.
also, say im playing vi in this situation. I've heard many people say if I want to climb I cant rely on my teammates. So what do I do. I can't rely on tf.