Kayle in bottom lane.

thecowley··2 votes·1,324 views

So I play a lot of Kayle top, and despite that most bots are almost all ad, I dont see any reason why she cant play yhe role as well. I dont make big changes to build, focusing on ap, as, and on hit effects. I know she isnt very long range; but I always seem to get blown up by enemy adc. Any advice?

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Fondling Gems3 votes

The issue is that unlike ADC's Kayle is mana dependent on being able to cs without getting poked, and even when she has mana she pushes the lane very hard, and is only ranged part of the time. Add onto this a couple more factors:

ADC's hit their power spikes before kayle, wave pushing bot lane without real escapes is very risky, Kayle does not have the steroids to hit the constant power of enemy ADC's, she requires time to stack up her passive/apply on hits/ready rageblade, supports are built to counter kayle through poke or hard cc during her ult, and since that is the role of a support when there is a kayle on the enemy team as a support it is easier to fight a kayle than play with one since supports will have more experience fighting them than with them, giving the enemy support a knowledge advantage and actually harming the ally support because in the end supports do more to control when and where the fighting happens bot lane than the adc's. ADC's bring power, but not much way to directly use it. Supports on the other hand offer the utility to control the battlefield.

So to conclude Kayle is generally inferior bot lane since: -Mana dependent -Only ranged part of the time -Cannot burst as fast as ADC's -Slower powerspikes -Countered by supports -Harms ally support more than the enemy one

Not saying that she isn't viable there, but picking her requires a support player with experience playing with her, and only into specific enemy team comps.

Oh, and add on to that that she is mostly AP, which harshly reduces the champ options of the other lanes since they basically have to grab 2 other AD champs and there isn't a large or very diverse selection of those for mid and jg.

Mokkun1 votes

The above is a good long form answer.

I did a one-trick Kayle account awhile back, and the seriously biggest problem is the not being ranged all the time. You can't actually clear the wave very well at early levels with E, and during the downtime, you're useless in pretty much any standard botlane matchup.

She's a better support than bot lane carry, and she's not great at either. Lane phase is just too brutal.

PirateKingNikki1 votes

Kayle support is good, but if you take away your ranged adc how do you plan to actually push down towers once e is on cooldown? Advice for trading against anyone as kayle is use ult to absorb their damage spells and burst them down, when ult wears off they already used their cooldowns and you won the trade. However, kayle lacks things like zone control because of her aoe splash damage while in ranged mode, thus making her push and over extend which a jungles wet dream because that means the adc and supp are easily ganked with kayle having low mobility. If you don't farm with her e then you will get poked out of range by the enemy adc. I mean, it can work given the right circumstances but its not very good all around.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Mana issues, her range is short and early game dps is low compared to must ADCs. Poor burst damage.

Kayle is best at trolling melee top laners, or as a support, stick to that.

69469238DEL11 votes

You aren't ranged all the time in lane #rough

Cloud2731 votes

Kayle is a hybrid duelist champ who also brings a lot of utility to her team. She's good at punishing melee champs with her slow and armor/mr shred, which is why she goes top so often. She also requires a ton of gold in order to be effective, as the attack speed items she needs are fairly expensive. Unless it's a kill lane where she gets tons of gold (which it probably won't be since Kayle has no burst), Kayle usually won't get the money she needs for her items as support.

thecowley1 votes

Thank you very much for insights. Ive only been playing a few months and dont have all these insights into the game quite yet

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