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So i played ahri... what is this damage? Zoe hate/Ahri none???

AMADEUSdotEXE··2 votes·1,795 views

Just a bit of infor I've been occasionally playing ahri over the last 5 years. Mainly in s3.

I'm pretty sure she outdamages even zoe/syndra as burst mages and ahri's abilities have clearly lower cool downs not even looking into the 3 dashes on her ultimate. I decided to play her against yasuo (i've seen her around... damage was still pretty crazy but she's still easy to kill if you lock her down) and half the time i would miss most of my abilities and still come out on top. This is the same issue people have with Zoe . All Ahri needs to do is land her E and later on she doesn't really seem to need to land her Q. I feel like i'm playing easy mode Zoe.

At least now she feel's rewarding to play... this is mainly in response to all the zoe hate. I'm gunna keep playing her so i can see if i feel i'm right about this I just hate how people give Zoe so much crap when ahri seemingly covers up most of her weaknesses, has a similar playstyle, they're both mage/assassins, and seems to outdamage and do her job better with the current buffs. Yet somehow i find Zoe really fun and Ahri boring.

Oh god help me please not the downvotes anything but that!!! [sg-miss-fortune]

16 Comments

Slythion5 votes

I honestly have never ever thought Ahri's damage was a problem, and I've played both as and against her...

Boulderox4 votes

Zoe's W as it stands is flat out a better ability, for doing very little, WOAH, use a summoner spell you pick up all over the place... and the game is so forced in damage that you can miss ALL your skillshots and still kill someone alone with ignite and electrocute alone

also relevant clip: https://youtu.be/QoFp9oJdeQk?t=565

FrozenFrostFyre3 votes

Ahri needs to actually get close she doesn't get to cc from miles away and land 1 ability that chunks. She can be punished when her ult is down and overall her dps is lower than many others lategame. Ahri charm doesn't splash in a puddle and stay around for 8 seconds after she misses it.

Bottem line, there are too many things that reward Zoe regardless of if she's good or not and it's because she's so badly designed that they needed to shift power off her skillshots because she's so badly designed that a good Zoe can be extremely oppressive. (People getting one shot in lcs when she was op) Regardless of how strong a champion is a badly designed champion like Zoe always feels bad to play against.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

I mean whatever i guess, I learned how to fight and counterpick her after i fed 15 kills to her as Yasuo the day she came out. I really haven't had too many problems with her even if she is in my list of my best/most played champs but what do i know I'm bronze.

Glîtchy3 votes

Let's see....

Ahri: shorter range, less damage

Zoe: can put you to sleep then slap you with an attack that can literally 100-0 you with just 1 full item.....yep, I see a huge issue with Ahri here

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

Go play Zoe and go play Ahri and tell me Ahri's lower cooldown spell rotation does less damage than zoe once Ahri gets ludens. fuck it you want me to send you a clip of my last game. This arguement is absurd. Ahri has just as much range as zoe when you factor in their mobility. i seriously hate the arguemnt people make when they say ahri is low ranged when her Q has just as much if not more range than zoe's minion/body blockable Q that takes a taon of set up and has a similar if not smaller hitbox.

blindasleep3 votes

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Go play Zoe and go play Ahri and tell me Ahri's lower cooldown spell rotation does less damage than zoe once Ahri gets ludens. fuck it you want me to send you a clip of my last game. This arguement is absurd. Ahri has just as much range as zoe when you factor in their mobility. i seriously hate the arguemnt people make when they say ahri is low ranged when her Q has just as much if not more range than zoe's minion/body blockable Q that takes a taon of set up and has a similar if not smaller hitbox.

I think he's just trolling. Nearly did an actual face palm to this.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

Why exactly am i trolling ? I'm pretty sure you just have 0 game knowledge.

blindasleep2 votes

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Why exactly am i trolling ? I'm pretty sure you just have 0 game knowledge.

You've only made obviously flawed and biased arguments and tossed around insults. Seems a lot like trolling.

lolcommunity13 votes

{quoted}

Go play Zoe and go play Ahri and tell me Ahri's lower cooldown spell rotation does less damage than zoe once Ahri gets ludens. fuck it you want me to send you a clip of my last game. This arguement is absurd. Ahri has just as much range as zoe when you factor in their mobility. i seriously hate the arguemnt people make when they say ahri is low ranged when her Q has just as much if not more range than zoe's minion/body blockable Q that takes a taon of set up and has a similar if not smaller hitbox.

Lmao, the ignorance is just astounding. You can stick your head in the sand if you want to but that doesn't change the fact that Zoe has higher overall base and AP ratios then Ahri.

Lich bane passive? Check

Q Massively power creeped that's basically Nidalee's old nuclear spear damage? Check

W that is basically Ahri's W except deals MORE damage, gives movement speed, steals summoners spells and gets item actives from minions?! OMEGA motherfucking LOL! Getting redemption at level 2 and being able to one shot the creep. I mean WTF was riot even thinking!?

E That travels further when lined up with the terrain (Similar to bards Magical Journey) with a large as fuck hitbox that can still activate with a longer CC? Now it's just getting ridiculous.

R The fact that it does no damage means her basic spells in general had to be power creeped. Just used to help maximize the distance of paddle star.

Like come on Bruh. I know you cannot be that biased [EDITED BY MODERATION - ULANOPO] but hey, whatever is considered your reality then you can be entitled to it.

You want to know the big difference here is? Zoe is not Ult reliant because all of her damage is in her basic abilities!

[sg-kiko]

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

She has 3 damaging abilities and a lich bane passive I'm not seeing the problem. May have been a Different case, but the old akali had a similar damage spread but her E basically did no damage and was recommended only to use when absolutely necessary.

Zoe's E travels further through WALLS. The maximum range outside of that is mid-ranged at best and has a slower travel time. The puddle it leaves behind does last much too long but at the moment so does ahri's charm duration. She's top tier for a reason and fucking stomps Zoe in every category and every combative scenario that isn't a jungle fight.

Its your fault for not having your jungle warded and letting her abuse that. It is your fault for not at least having a relative guess as to where she currently is. Her W is admittedly stronger. You're complaing about the power creep from her R?? What do you think Ahri's E buffs were made to compensate? I've been playing for much longer than you and I've practically memorized how to fight Ahri by this point I've got plenty of experience.

What's the problem with being ult reliant? What's your problem with a lich bane passive? Seriously i would love to know. What rank are you even? If you're going to come in on my post talking shit like I don't know what I'm talking about you'd god damn better either have been playing longer than me or higher ranked. Nb4 I've got less than 150 games on ranked. I'm a norms player.

You're literally just crying because you don't like that she has a burst mage playstyle. IN what scenario will you take just as much if not more damage from Ahri landing her body/minion blockable E on you and landing 3 of her spells on you (3 of which are auto tagetted and prioritize champions for you) than Zoe landing her body/minion blockable E on you and then landing her body/minion blockable Q and auto attacking you (which she can actually mess up because it isn't automated.) -_-

lolcommunity14 votes

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She has 3 damaging abilities and a lich bane passive I'm not seeing the problem. May have been a Different case, but the old akali had a similar damage spread but her E basically did no damage and was recommended only to use when absolutely necessary.

And this here is where reading comprehension eludes. First off, it isn't that she has 3 damaging abilities, **it's how they WORK and how much damage they do. **

Zoe's E travels further through WALLS. The maximum range outside of that is mid-ranged at best and has a slower travel time. The puddle it leaves behind does last much too long but at the moment so does ahri's charm duration. She's top tier for a reason and fucking stomps Zoe in every category and every combative scenario that isn't a jungle fight.

Ahri's E is fixed range, doesn't go further when lined up with the terrain, doesn't become a trap if it hit's nothing and doesn't have a bigger hit box. There is 2 stages of CC from Zoe's E. Slow, then Sleep for a total 4 seconds to Ahri's 2 at max rank. Big difference.

Its your fault for not having your jungle warded and letting her abuse that. It is your fault for not at least having a relative guess as to where she currently is. Her W is admittedly stronger. You're complaing about the power creep from her R?? What do you think Ahri's E buffs were made to compensate? I've been playing for much longer than you and I've practically memorized how to fight Ahri by this point I've got plenty of experience.

Warding has absolute fuck all to do with any of my points. We are talking about champion kit differences, not general game knowledge.

What's the problem with being ult reliant? What's your problem with a lich bane passive? Seriously i would love to know. What rank are you even? If you're going to come in on my post talking shit like I don't know what I'm talking about you'd god damn better either have been playing longer than me or higher ranked. Nb4 I've got less than 150 games on ranked. I'm a norms player.

What's the problem with Ahri being Ult reliant? Nothing. That is the way it SHOULD be. This is where you fail to acknowledge the difference between Zoe and Ahri and I am not going to regurgitate my point as to why. Do yourself a favor and do a quick search on lol wiki and compare the difference in base damage and ap ratio power between Q, W and E.

I don't give a shit if you are a Korean challenger player or if you have been playing the game since it's beta if your game knowledge is questionable. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you cannot be THAT delusional and you're just pushing a champion bias agenda or just don't want to accept that the majority of the community overwhelming dislikes Zoe and considers her to be one of worst designed (if not THEE worst) champion in the entire roster.

You claimed that Zoe is much more fun then Ahri but fun factor does NOT equal champion balance. Period.

AMADEUSdotEXE2 votes

k this https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/z5jllUvu-can-someone-good-at-math-compare-the-damage-of-zoes-combo-and-dps-to-ahris?comment=0002

ModUlanopo1 votes

Good morning,

I have edited your post to remove the implication that the person you are responding to is stupid. Please avoid such comments in the future.

Thank you.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

Hold on you edited my post but didnt edit heis when he clearly called me and my post ignorant what the ??? The fuck iis that bias??

SugeMinPikk2 votes

Her damage is fine. The fact that dying on Ahri is a reportable offense: not

Same with missing e on lux. Reportable offense.

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