You are building tanks wrong...

Mira Arya Enthe··8 votes·668 views

Why is everyone trying to cap armor and MR on tanks? Those can be countered quite easily. And then they complain tanks are too weak and need a buff.

But playing Sej, heavy Shyvana, Naut and Leona quite a bit. I never have these problems, but my builds don't build things like thornmail or abyssal. I end up with about 4500+ HP

Armor counters physical damage, MR counters magic damage. But neither counters the other, neither counters true damage and both can be penetrated quite easily.

HP counters everything. It is even listed as the counter for %HP damage. Because if I have 2000HP and you do 10%, that leaves me with 1800. If I have 3000HP and you do 10%, I still have 2700. If I have 4000HP and you do 10%, I still have 3600. And all the attacks don't do 10% max HP damage. Even if the enemy team has a bloodrazer, Kog'Maw and BotrK on their team. Most of the damage done to you by most sources will still just be flat, normal damage.

I suggest trying builds with about 4000-5000 final HP and about 150-250 Armor and MR. Make sure you get both. It is much more effective than a 350 Armor and MR build with only 2900HP in most scenarios.

And don't stack just one defensive stat. Even if their Draven and Rengar are fed, Leona/Sunlight, LeBlanc and Amumu still do magic damage. Stacking 500 armor with only 100 MR and 2500HP will get you nowhere. And honestly it won't even counter their AD characters. Hybrid defense with TONS of HP. Plus you can then get the most out of items like Warmogs, Cinderhulk and Titanic Hydra.

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StainlessTweedle5 votes

True, I still don't buy the ''not fed adc killed our Malph in 2.1 secs!!!!"

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

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True, I still don't buy the ''not fed adc killed our Malph in 2.1 secs!!!!"

Not at all. Was playing Shyvana against a fed Draven in my promos a few days ago. He was actually complaining I was unkillable even when his Leona had me locked down. I had about 5718HP with final potion, plus Titanic Hydra for damage. My MR was only about 180(200 in dragon) and my armor 170(190 in dragon). But I was unkillable just from HP. They even had Liandy's and a BotrK on their team, as well as armor pen items. And a Rengar who was semi fed.

StainlessTweedle3 votes

Yep. Tanks aren't ''weak'' right now. People just need something to complain about :p

MunchCrunchLunch4 votes

take that 2k damage culling to the face and tell me that health works. with no armor (or even with) jhin is gonna crit you for 1k damage a hit. and you're gonna get melted by mf ult that does 4.8k-5k damage late game and the culling that does 2.5k damage and shreds the little armor than you have. jhin's curtain call will do close to 3k damage to you. if your shyv no way in hell your doding it because you gotta body block.

you played 3 ranked games with shyv and you lost 2 of them

and your W/R is 43%.

get the hell out of here

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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take that 2k damage culling to the face and tell me that health works. with no armor (or even with) jhin is gonna crit you for 1k damage a hit. and you're gonna get melted by mf ult that does 4.8k-5k damage late game and the culling that does 2.5k damage and shreds the little armor than you have. jhin's curtain call will do close to 3k damage to you. if your shyv no way in hell your doding it because you gotta body block.

you played 3 ranked games with shyv and you lost 2 of them

and your W/R is 43%.

get the hell out of here

I haven't play ranked seriously at all in the past 5 years. I started a few days ago. And have won 4 of the 4 games I have played since. I have not, in 5 years, had any trouble with building HP tank with 150-250 of each defensive stat. And wtf are you talking about with these damage numbers you are giving dude. If you build MF with 300AD, which nobody does, she does at most 3k damage. Your numbers just don't add up. And have fun blocking those kind of things with your 300-400 armor and no HP. Which ADCs reduce by 45%+7%+some additional flat pen+Black Cleaver from enemy bruiser. Whereas even if I was dumb enough to take a full MF ult and it DID do 3k dmg(which is premidigation. I still average 200 armor on Shyvana) My 5718HP shyvana from my last game, which we won, would still have 2718HP.

You can easily get 200+ armor and Mr and STILL build 4500+ HP. Armor has diminishing returns on damage reduction, HP does not have diminishing returns. And %HP damage is only 10-40% of the enemy's damage output depending on their comp and builds. While usually 45% is magic, 45% is physical and 10% is true. Health counters all of these, armor only counters half the enemy team, Mr only the other half, and nothing but HP counters true damage. What counters HP other than %HP damage? Nothing, and %HP damage still doesn't melt tanks instantly.

My overall W/R for summoner's rift is 51%. Again, only started to play ranked serious recently, for the first time ever. Making arguments with strawman doesn't work. Argue with information please.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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take that 2k damage culling to the face and tell me that health works. with no armor (or even with) jhin is gonna crit you for 1k damage a hit. and you're gonna get melted by mf ult that does 4.8k-5k damage late game and the culling that does 2.5k damage and shreds the little armor than you have. jhin's curtain call will do close to 3k damage to you. if your shyv no way in hell your doding it because you gotta body block.

you played 3 ranked games with shyv and you lost 2 of them

and your W/R is 43%.

get the hell out of here

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/48865711?champion=102&matchType=1

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/48865711?champion=102&matchType=2

Also, I have a good history with Shyvana. And it's 4 ranked games with her, 2 were wins, 2 were ancient when I didn't give a shit about ranked progression. My two most recent ones, were wins. But again, building a strawman out of somebody, isn't a way to argue against the information provided. Go to Champion.gg to see what is effective Plat+, tanks are doing quite well. Sej is in the top 5 junglers, and builds pure HP builds with her highest win rate builds. Because it is what works. It counters all damage types.

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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take that 2k damage culling to the face and tell me that health works. with no armor (or even with) jhin is gonna crit you for 1k damage a hit. and you're gonna get melted by mf ult that does 4.8k-5k damage late game and the culling that does 2.5k damage and shreds the little armor than you have. jhin's curtain call will do close to 3k damage to you. if your shyv no way in hell your doding it because you gotta body block.

you played 3 ranked games with shyv and you lost 2 of them

and your W/R is 43%.

get the hell out of here

I'd prefer that liars who actively try to mislead posters to support their agenda like you leave tbh.

Meep Man3 votes

A good Tank build:

item 3047 item 3110 item 3083 item 3143 item 3065 item 3190

This build provides a total of: +2200 Health +180 Armor +70 Magic Resist +500% (625% due to Spirit Visage) Base Health Regeneration +40% Cool Down Reduction 3 Anti-AD Passives 1 Anti-AP Passive 1 Global Damage Reduction Active 1 Crowd Control Active (CC can mean more durability) This excludes Runes and Masteries

This build is a pretty good build to revolve around for building most Tanks that don't specialize in one stat. It provides basic needs and good defenses. A note that most Magic Damage is naturally countered by Health since Magic Damage is generally more Burst than Sustained damage and so therefore just getting a ton of Health and Health Regeneration will naturally cut down on magic damage you take. Plus, Locket of the Iron Solari can help against AP burst. Therefore, the fact we are only getting 70 Magic Resist is ok since MR is a stat that doesn't exactly come in large amounts. Since sustained damage is the strongest form of damage against Tanks, we get Frozen Heart and Randuin's so that attacking you will net a 30% Attack Speed Slow, Ninja Tabi's so basic attacks deal 12% less damage passively, and Randuin's for the decreased Critical Hit damage. This provides an extremely large amount of damage reduction against ADCs. There isn't much more you can get to make you harder to kill against an ADC as a Tank.

Please, if you guys are going to complain about dying quickly, please build an actual Tank build and not items like item 3068 item 3742 and item 3001 . These items provide defensive stats, but having anti-damage passives and actives will give you a TON more survivability since stats can be countered, passives and actives usually cannot.

Spoofghoul2 votes

frozen hearth ninja tabi and randuins are all good because of their passives

after you acquire these items any more armor really isnt neccesary yet the passives of these items add almost an equal amount of armor value beyond that point and you cant shred that nor penetrate it

so i approve of these kinds of builds

Beldair2 votes

I build DMP on my tanks to help me get into the fight faster so I can tank for my team.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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I build DMP on my tanks to help me get into the fight faster so I can tank for my team.

I have good success with DMP on Sejuani and Shyvana, Shyv isn't a tank officially due to her lack of CC and peel, but can still be a 'threat tank' like Mundo.

Beldair2 votes

Oh Yea..Shyv is a beast :)

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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Oh Yea..Shyv is a beast :)

Yep! Just won my promos with her, and now I've won a couple more with her. Fucking amazing character. Glad they have kept her simple core design intact rather than over complicate her with minigames, on third hit effects and 70 leaps.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Why is everyone trying to cap armor and MR on tanks? Those can be countered quite easily.

so is health.

there is only one defensive stat that isnt made worth shit by 1 or 2 items, and thats % damage reduction. the only ones who have access to it are adc lol.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

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so is health.

there is only one defensive stat that isnt made worth shit by 1 or 2 items, and thats % damage reduction. the only ones who have access to it are adc lol.

and sustain. because adc's are the true drain tanks of this game. especially jinx and graves. maw and bt. good lucking killing them

S0NA1 votes

Someone cant math.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

https://champion.gg/champion/Sejuani

Pure HP seems to be working for these 'worthless' tanks in Platinum+. She has a high enough win rate, and isn't building damage, and is a tank.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Armor is so bad right now in fact, that Riot is looking into pre-season nerfs to several major armor pen items already. Don't get me wrong, some armor is good, but investing your entire budget into armor is worthless. Again, I suggest HP items with armor on them, or items that specifically have passives and actives to reduce the damage you take like Frozen Heart. Straight up armor isn't worthwhile unless the item has something else on it.

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