Most of Yasuo's problems could be solved with one simple yet crazy change...

Melledoneus·Apr 18, 2017·21 votes·1,874 views

"Yasuo's basic attack crits no longer proc on-hit bonus effects."

Think about it. This kills Frozen Mallet on Yas, Triforce on Yas, he can no longer perma-on-hit you, he can no longer build BoRK and shred you, and he actually has to Q to proc Phantom Dancer.

Of course, this seems like a huge itemization blow to Yasuo and maybe he would need some adjustments, but he would be a lot less annoying with this change alone, judging by how many of his problems are his interactions with items.

Just a thought.

EDIT: Lifesteal does not count as a bonus on-hit in this case. So Yasuo will not lose lifesteal on his crits.

79 Comments

SalronApr 18, 201713 votes

If there was a list of the worst ideas ever this would be on it

MelledoneusApr 18, 20176 votes

I'd like to know why, if you don't mind explaining.

SalronApr 18, 20176 votes

It's hard to not just respond with "Because No." but i'll try

Frankly the idea of removing on hits from any champion's basic attack sounds ridiculous to begin with, but beyond that this would do the things you say it would

For example, this would by no means "kill" mallet on Yasuo as all he needs is one EQ on you to apply it and he will be able to constantly reapply it after that with Q since mallet lasts 1.5s and Q's CD is 1.33 at lowest.

All this does is make onhits MUCH weaker on him but doesn't make them unusable by any means Not to mention you could just buy PD and no other crit item and remain at 60% crit, and get on-hit applied to non-crits

######Not to mention the idea of autoattacking someone and NOT applying redbuff makes me want to kms

MelledoneusApr 18, 20173 votes

Then perhaps his Q CD could be upped a bit but the power increased? It feels like an ability that's thrown away so easily for such a central part of his kit. Even Karthus Q feels more wasted when missed than a Yasuo Q once he gets attack speed.

Also, I think that choosing between crit and on-hit would make Yasuo a more diversely built champion. You mentioned building 60% crit and getting on-hits. That would be getting some of both, but you're not as powerful as one or the other.

For a champion that works with crit, I feel that his drawback should be that it's crit that he gets, but he misses out on the bonus power of items he could get that other carries get (BoRK, PD).

It's as if Riot releases a tank that is great anti-AD, great anti-mage, and great health. You can't have all of that in one package without giving up a lot of it. Similarly, Yasuo would be better off accessing one or the other rather than using everything in one conglomerate mess.

SalronApr 18, 20176 votes

He already has a drawback for crits He has a crit damage penalty built in

MelledoneusApr 18, 20172 votes

So why not reduce that penalty to compensate?

SalronApr 18, 20176 votes

Well at that point the penalty wouldn't be very noticable anymore You're also starting to delve pretty deep into too many simultaneous changes to the point where it's hard to theorize whether or not this would make him a healthier champion or not

Most importantly, this wouldn't change the fact that people will still hate him, that fact is based on his kit alone He isn't a balance problem atm either so not much would be accomplished by making changes like those

MelledoneusApr 18, 20172 votes

Then how do you propose making the infamous FM-PD combo no longer viable on Yasuo?

PermabannedGarenApr 18, 20175 votes

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Then how do you propose making the infamous FM-PD combo no longer viable on Yasuo?

You don't, because it's not breaking the game right now.

You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Yasuo is fine right now. Balanced. Not too strong, not too weak, except arguably top lane with a blade of the ruined king, and arbitrarily depriving Yasuo of the item that everyone who can build does won't solve the problem that the item is far too strong right now.

MelledoneusApr 18, 20172 votes

BoRK is a different discussion entirely.

Also, you can make changes to make a champion have healthier design even if they're not strong. Aatrox, Poppy, and Yorick are all a testament to that fact.

PermabannedGarenApr 18, 20174 votes

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BoRK is a different discussion entirely.

Also, you can make changes to make a champion have healthier design even if they're not strong. Aatrox, Poppy, and Yorick are all a testament to that fact.

Those champions were unbalancable, and all were quite bad before their reworks. Neither is true of Yasuo.

MelledoneusApr 18, 20171 votes

Aatrox was in a reasonably similar spot to Yasuo before he was nerfed.

PermabannedGarenApr 19, 20171 votes

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Aatrox was in a reasonably similar spot to Yasuo before he was nerfed.

No he wasn't, he was one of the worst champions in the game lol.

ErrastasApr 18, 20171 votes

Maybe just have his dash have charges, he can hold 3-5, and a fair cooldown so he isn't completely dumpstered. Just my 2 cents.

EstrynundApr 18, 20171 votes

Well that's cool because redbuff is on attack.

IPromiseTomorrowApr 18, 201710 votes

The least you could do is give your reasoning. This is only hate

SalronApr 18, 20175 votes

There are some things that are too dumb to put deeper articulation into Like what if I just said we should disable TP on champions like TF and Shen because they have it built into their kits and gave a couple sentences on why I think it's a good idea?

That's where you just say "no"

IPromiseTomorrowApr 18, 20178 votes

If we're talking yasuo balance I need data that proves you're right about what you say I would rather not talk about summoner spells and other extremities like

"disable TP on champions like TF and Shen because they have it built into their kits" Face the Win

If there is no reality on what is communicated , it's not going to be real enough to talk about.

ShadòwApr 18, 20173 votes

short form:

he mains that cancer and likes to ruin the fun for any other person in the game.

RalanrApr 18, 20172 votes

Worse than giving him energy or removing his crit entirely? Really?

SalronApr 18, 20175 votes

The mere idea of making an making an AA based champion not get the benefits of onhit on their AAs digusts me

EstrynundApr 18, 20171 votes

Yasuo main detected.

Must have realised a good idea for a nerf to his main has come up and is doing his best to stamp on it.

SalronApr 18, 20171 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/q4PUkp3q-i-know-im-going-to-get-downvoted-by-x-mains?comment=0001 ?

EstrynundApr 18, 20171 votes

You're named after a Yasuo quote, hating on a quite good idea for a potential Yasuo nerf and you want to call me bigoted for pointing this out?

Take the $30 weeaboo katana you probably have and gut yourself with it.

SalronApr 18, 20171 votes

So i'm not allowed to criticize an idea because my name is a yasuo pun? ok bud

EstrynundApr 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Face The Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8Ll1wEhR,comment-id=00030003000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-18T18:27:14.452+0000)

So i'm not allowed to criticize an idea because my name is a yasuo pun? ok bud

You're clearly biased. I can't stop you from criticising it but I can call you out on your bias towards Yasuo. Especially since he's been in your top 3 most played champs since season 4.

SalronApr 22, 20171 votes

So then tell me Whats the issue here again? Your entire argument seems to consist of "you have a lot of yasuo games played, therefore your opinion is bad because that makes you biased"

Big LincolnApr 18, 20178 votes

stop bullying weeb samurai

MelledoneusApr 18, 20173 votes

Don't you main juggernauts, the one class that bullies Yas out of lane?

TyrekGoldenspearApr 18, 20172 votes

Proven. I beat a Yasuo up as Yorick.

But if only his non-crits apply on-hits, then wouldn't he be screwing himself over by building as he is supposed to? His lifesteal and everything else would be lessened the stronger he gets, which would be rather intuitive. I'd see Yasuo start building full bruiser with no crit at all, making his crit doubler passive useless.

Unrelated: I noted today that most of my favorite people on the boards have names beginning with M.

VoraciousXApr 18, 20171 votes

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Proven. I beat a Yasuo up as Yorick.

But if only his non-crits apply on-hits, then wouldn't he be screwing himself over by building as he is supposed to? His lifesteal and everything else would be lessened the stronger he gets, which would be rather intuitive. I'd see Yasuo start building full bruiser with no crit at all, making his crit doubler passive useless.

Unrelated: I noted today that most of my favorite people on the boards have names beginning with M.

Couldn't they just make his Q crit, like they did MF's ulti? I can't see that being a problem. Lifesteal on him is so hard to deal with late game but I guess it's pretty necessary. As long as he doesn't start building like Graves(which he might, due to the Death's Dance buffs), I think lifesteal on Q would be okay.

TyrekGoldenspearApr 18, 20172 votes

His Q can already crit. It is a skillshot treated as a basic attack that also applies on hit effects.

VoraciousXApr 18, 20171 votes

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His Q can already crit. It is a skillshot treated as a basic attack that also applies on hit effects.

I know his Q can already crit, I was saying if you removed on-hits from his Q, it'd be easy enough to make crits/lifesteal still proc on it so that his normal build isn't hurting because of removing on-hits. It doesn't have to be treated as an auto attack to benefit from critical strike/lifesteal(See: Miss Fortune R for proof that not only basic attacks can be made to crit). I don't think Yasuo is supposed to build much on hit in the first place honestly. They want him to build crit and damage. Right now he builds tanky right after he gets 100% crit. Honestly I won't be surprised if he goes a Graves build with frozen mallet once Death's Dance gets it's buff. He'll basically be Graves 2.0(with more damage). The only problem is Frozen Mallet. He shouldn't be building this, it's already hard enough to get away from him when in a lane as it is. If Riot thinks he SHOULD be building frozen mallet, then that's fine, but they already tried to get rid of him building it once, which didn't pan out. I do agree with the wind wall thing also though. You can shoot an ability and it'll be right on top of him, and he can W LATE and still negate your CC/damage. It's pretty infuriating. Even doing it myself when playing Yasuo, it just feels plain dirty.

King of MongooseApr 18, 20175 votes

lol what the fuck this is the worst idea i have ever seen

The Lost MarblesApr 18, 20174 votes

As annoying as Yasuo is, I think that's too heavy-handed a solution. (It also potentially guts him if it counts life steal as an on-hit effect.)

Make his critical modifier a bit weaker than it currently is, but have it scale up with his level. Takes some of the bite out of his early item power spike without making him too weak later on.

Just a thought.

Also, "has to Q to proc Phantom Dancer". I think you mean E, because his Q can crit as well.

AptestApr 18, 20174 votes

I think this cuts severely into Yasuo's ability to build items.

I think it is really unfair towards yasuo players if they can't build FM, BC, BOTRK, gunblade etc if they feel they need to.

He doesn't look like he is in a broken state right now. So a straight nerf is not IMHO a good idea. What should be addressed is rather points of frustration I.E. being in a state of constantly getting "~~outplayed~~" "zero-optioned" in lane, lack of openings in Yasuo's kit, insufficient reward for actually outplaying him etc.