This might be the 1st Teamfight Duelist Carry

taleofsonata··7 votes·1,083 views

Champion's that duel multiple champions at the same times, I would put Fiora Riven in there because of the amount of damage they have, hell even Katarina Akali would fit in.

But I just hope these kind of champion aren't the MAIN Character of the game that exceel at tossing everyone aside.

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SEKAI12 votes

They always make champs look stupidly broken in these teasers. I for one think that's stupid, because no champion should be promoted and advertised on the basis that they're (or at least look) fucking OP.

Typically, the actual play in practice is nothing like this. Even Zoe's teaser which "got it right" by showcasing that she's broken just like she actually is, didn't actually "get it right" because it presented as if Zoe is broken on the basis of being way too mobile, when in reality she was broken from being overloaded in spammable long range extreme damage and strong CCs as well as her W being one of the worst RNGesus in the game's history.

I am not a fan of these teasers. Sure, they look nice, but I'm seriously disturbed by the idea that out of all the ways you can present and sell a champion, you have to bank on the strategy of trying to make them appear OP and obnoxious. Why?

Teridax684 votes

Personally, I feel a champion showcase should show them at their best, but only as a result of the player playing well. In the extended champion introduction, it should also show examples of how the champion can get countered. In this particular case, I think making Irelia look OP in the trailer is fine, because it's not meant to be a fully accurate representation of her gameplay. However, her showcase will likely need to present her in a manner that makes her come across as properly acceptable, even if she can pull off ridiculously strong stunts. One thing that annoyed me with Kai'Sa's presentation, for example, was that her gameplay clips basically showed her steamrolling opponents because she was fed, and not really outplaying them in a particularly impressive way (in fact, she played pretty terribly in one of her clips). I feel Irelia's introduction is looking really good thus far, and I hope this continues once we get to know her actual kit.

Automated Riven2 votes

Ya I loved the kaisa one where she took threshes lanturn when she didn't need to. And it actually nearly cost her a kill.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Because it isn't easy to come up with abilities that fit in the game and look actually fun because so much shit has already been invented and implemented into the game that nothing would surprise anyone at this point other than cool flashy shit that looks thematically different.

At least that's what i think they think.

Ashen Rider1 votes

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They always make champs look stupidly broken in these teasers. I for one think that's stupid, because no champion should be promoted and advertised on the basis that they're (or at least look) fucking OP.

Typically, the actual play in practice is nothing like this. Even Zoe's teaser which "got it right" by showcasing that she's broken just like she actually is, didn't actually "get it right" because it presented as if Zoe is broken on the basis of being way too mobile, when in reality she was broken from being overloaded in spammable long range extreme damage and strong CCs as well as her W being one of the worst RNGesus in the game's history.

I am not a fan of these teasers. Sure, they look nice, but I'm seriously disturbed by the idea that out of all the ways you can present and sell a champion, you have to bank on the strategy of trying to make them appear OP and obnoxious. Why?

The teasers are to get you excited for the reveal, of course it's gonna be flashy and exciting (Which usually means making it look strong)

Al Havoc2 votes

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They always make champs look stupidly broken in these teasers. I for one think that's stupid, because no champion should be promoted and advertised on the basis that they're (or at least look) fucking OP.

Typically, the actual play in practice is nothing like this. Even Zoe's teaser which "got it right" by showcasing that she's broken just like she actually is, didn't actually "get it right" because it presented as if Zoe is broken on the basis of being way too mobile, when in reality she was broken from being overloaded in spammable long range extreme damage and strong CCs as well as her W being one of the worst RNGesus in the game's history.

I am not a fan of these teasers. Sure, they look nice, but I'm seriously disturbed by the idea that out of all the ways you can present and sell a champion, you have to bank on the strategy of trying to make them appear OP and obnoxious. Why?

They are just meant to get you hype for the champion and show a little of what their abilities do. Calm your shit

The Bad Touch5 votes

We keep telling Riot we want less mobility. They keep giving us more.

Does anyone speak Chinese so we can tell them in their native language?

This looks like some Chinese F2P MMO shit. All style.. no substance.

Ryrynounet1 votes

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SEKAI3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8Kg3eyb5,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-19T18:06:48.120+0000)

We keep telling Riot we want less mobility. They keep giving us more.

The dash probably works in the same way as it currently does for Irelia, where it refreshes if the dash itself kills the target it's dashing to, hence why Irelia almost only dashes again after the target she has dashed to dies upon the impact (which may sound OP on paper, but really isn't, given most of the time it's only used for last hitting and trading in lanes). I said "almost" because I didn't notice earlier, but she also seems to be able to dash to targets she has marked with the "poke" thingy, which I wouldn't call it superb mobility given after all, it's like a remote Jhin W, it's likely not easy to land and chances of ever skewering more than 1 or 2 enemy champ at once is not particularly high I'd feel.

It's the presentation focus of the teaser that's the most problematic, given it intentionally framed as if Irelia is this obnoxiously flashy and overpowered champ when very well, and chances are that, she doesn't play like this in practice. Framing and presenting in a manipulated way that gives the impression that the champ is overpowered may be an effective marketing for some people, but it's also very much questionable in terms of its underlying thought process of utilising such a tactic, especially in a game where game balance is key. Not even Street Fighter and other fighting games sell a new character by having them infinitely comboing or 1-hit an opponent from full HP to 0 in 1 go, I don't think, let alone 1 shotting the entire enemy team like this one.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

By the looks of the video her mobility is exactly the same. Still has her current Q that resets on kill.

The Trent1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8Kg3eyb5,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-19T18:06:48.120+0000)

We keep telling Riot we want less mobility. They keep giving us more.

Does anyone speak Chinese so we can tell them in their native language?

This looks like some Chinese F2P MMO shit. All style.. no substance.

I personally think mobile champs are really fun to play, so can't agree.

SomeStars3 votes

what do you mean all i see is yasuo

taleofsonata1 votes

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what do you mean all i see is yasuo

Yasuo is a disgusting 1vs1 duelist, he might have an ult that is aoe based on knockup but he depends on other champions.

Fear the Kayn1 votes

Yasuo is actually pretty fair in a 1v1. I mean he can hit HARD, but Tryndamere MasterYi Riven Kayn (Rhaast) would all probably shit on him in a 1v1. I have experience with Rhaast and I'll tell you an equally fed Yasuo cannot outduel you unless hes got grievous wounds.

All Skillzz3 votes

what the hell is that mobility and dashing around. shit looks like leblanc with talon mixed in or something. like jesus this looks beyond broken. also it looked like she can block proectiles so now she is xins ult with yasuo/leblanc mobility lol.

Oleandervine1 votes

You'll note she was only able to dash like crazy to marked targets. I think there's something in her kit that will mark a target, either through damaging a foe or akin to how Valor marks things for Quinn, or simply based on stats that opponents have at the time, and she's clearly able to do shenanigans based on that.

Z3Sleeper2 votes

It looks like her passive, since everytime anything she does damages a champion they get marked. Dunno what the mark actually does tho, cuz she was only able to recast Q since she was resetting it off killing minions.

Edit: I stand corrected, in the Riven 1v1 she definitely Q'd her and was able to instantly recast to another minion.

I was thinking she targeted the minion behind Riven but it didn't die so that can't be the case. Most likely she just can't Q the same marked target twice in a row and needs to Q something else but it does reset her Q if she Q's a marked target.

Z3Sleeper3 votes

In this trailer she was obviously fighting against people that had like 100 health left.

She was oneshotting them Q's.

Also she was able to dash so much because there were conveniently placed 0 health minions near the people she was fighting.

She's definitely not gonna be anywhere near as mobile or powerful as seen in the video because the stars just aren't gonna align like that 24/7.

SEKAI1 votes

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In this trailer she was obviously fighting against people that had like 100 health left.

She was oneshotting them Q's.

Also she was able to dash so much because there were conveniently placed 0 health minions near the people she was fighting.

She's definitely not gonna be anywhere near as mobile or powerful as seen in the video because the stars just aren't gonna align like that 24/7.

Pretty much.

AetherArising1 votes

Looks like she can't Q to the same person twice in a row, which is why in the leblanc and like talon or w/e fight she zipped BETWEEN the two of them over and over to kill them

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