Chalice needs to get good or get gone

chipndip1··2 votes·258 views

150% mana regen was a GREAT idea...but now we can address the elephant in the room: item 3028

It sucks. Horribly. No one likes this shit. No one liked it before FQC was even a thing, assuming they knew what they were doing with their mana. Even if a mid laner wanted regen, they get Morello's...well...after FQC gets nerfed. Supports sometimes get noob trapped by it by building FQC + Athene's...like how on Earth is this not the stupidest idea ever? Crucible uses it, but I think a better idea would be to make 2 new items with the cleanse effect that either gives some tank stats or some ap, rather than using Chalice. That would encourage nearly any support to build that cleansing effect when needed because it'd be more efficient to do so, even if they're mage supports.

Main point is that Chalice and Mana Font in and of themselves are simply null and void when 150% mana regen is a way better stat to use to define what should be a premiere mana regen item. Should definitely rework the item or just replace it.

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Bonipherus1 votes

Chalice, Morellos, and other mana regen items need the marksman item treatment. Crit items are all supposed to fill a unique role and these items should too. The only differences between morellos and atheses are pretty much grievous wounds vs mr and regen on kill.

chipndip11 votes

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Chalice, Morellos, and other mana regen items need the marksman item treatment. Crit items are all supposed to fill a unique role and these items should too. The only differences between morellos and atheses are pretty much grievous wounds vs mr and regen on kill.

Only difference between the two is that one is decent and one is awful, tbh.

Erockandroll1 votes

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Chalice, Morellos, and other mana regen items need the marksman item treatment. Crit items are all supposed to fill a unique role and these items should too. The only differences between morellos and atheses are pretty much grievous wounds vs mr and regen on kill.

Riot initially imagined Athene's to continue to be the Goto item in the AP vs AP matchup. So I'm surprised that Athene's hasen't had it's MR values reinforced.

I'd still argue that it's the superior Mana item in terms of raw regeneration. Due to the mana font. But the only time that stands out is on champs who need multi mana items to work. (Usually combineds athene's with RoA or Tear.) But only a hand full of champs actually need that much mana.

Bonipherus1 votes

I think they need 2 more mana regen items that compete with athenes and morellos. One to support pure spam, one for survivability, one to use against tanks, and one for burst. They could attempt something similar to last whisper/dominiks/mortal reminder where you combine other items onto the "main" mana regen item for suitable effects.

Miku Lv991 votes

Yeah, chalice is horrible. Mana font doesn't give nearly as much mana as it used to and not very noticeable. item 3098 is almost completely better than item 3028 in everything but MR. item 3174 is underwhelming and item 3222 is mostly bought for those that want its active and does not give all that good of stats for how much it costs.

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