Why do people STILL think Sona does high damage?

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I am agreeing with you. She has high damage potential not damage in general or relative to to others.

She doesn't do high damage all together, but you can't deny that she CAN still take out a good portion of somebodies health. She will be out-damaged, but you can't say she cannot do a decent amount of damage herself. Relative to other champions does not mean she cannot chunk someone out, even if others will do more.

That is exactly the point it is reliable all at one time you stated it yourself, and that is what I am saying. She cant just pump out high damage right off the bat, but she can do a large amount of damage at one time once circumstances are met.

She can't do high damage consistently and requires more set up time than anyone else. She has a lot of potential damage, not damage in general.

, and have the same build, same runes, same masteries and all the AP they could ever ask for. Their target has 150 armor and 150 magic resist.

takes out 85% of someones health in 3 seconds took out 70% of someones health in 3 seconds took out 100% of someones health in 3 seconds

Yes they all did more damage relatively, but you can't deny that Sona didn't take out a large portion of their health. Nami and Leblanc will be able to do it much sooner than Sona as well, but you can't say Sona didn't do well herself.

Comparing things will always make something look bad, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have it's ups.

A top tier sports athlete in college may be mediocre compared to professional athletes, but they are still great from a general standpoint. A child with a B+ and a child with an A+ doesn't mean the B+ child is incompetent.

As much as that's all fine and dandy, that just means that "Holy crap that support did a lot of damage to me" isn't exclusive to Sona. Hell, it's hardly exclusive at all, save picks like Soraka or Janna where you'd have to be suicidal to get hit by their full damage output.

The main point of the thread is that someone like Sona shouldn't be the poster child of "high damage" supports. She's basically one of the lowest damage champs in the game. Something like that better describes someone like Zyra.

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that one attack has 4 damage sources coming from it, 3 are magic damage and scale with her AP, while she also has to autoattack too, what means lichbane is included normally

you are also forgetting that Sona has very low cooldowns and usually caps her CDR very soon, weaving her Q every 5 seconds and outputting some quite harsh damage

Quite harsh damage if you don't have a single mr item, maybe.

Like, with the sheer amount I've been using this champ, I'm not just being a hipster. Her damage output is low, just like how Fiora's not tanky. You can BUILD DAMAGE on Sona, just like you can BUILD DEFENSES on Fiora, but Fiora's no tank and Sona's no primary damage dealer, nor does she have the damage output of one. This isn't a difficult concept.

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She literally hasn't changed since thunderlord's was introduced. I learned shortly after the new queue was introduced that I couldn't play support as my secondary role anymore since I'd never get to play my mains.

Well, from a Sona main:

You don't really know what you're talking about.

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If you want to be nit-picky about that, the post's original context was about people's perception of her damage, and reliable and affordable damage looks much higher than a big fat skillshot that you hit once every bloodmon, so people think that Sona damage is high.

That's...relatively fair enough. Still, the second point of the post is to, once again, remind people that no...it isn't high. It's mediocre at best. If skill shots landed once a blood moon, no one would like skill shots. If you gain mastery with champs, you'll land your skill shots more when they count. That's always going to be worth more than gradual damage coming from a squishy, low mobility, close-ranged support mage.

I responded to the rest of it, but I deleted it since I'd like to keep things relatively on topic.

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1. Totally irrelevant. ADCs mostly do sustained AA damage. The time it takes to execute a spell rotation isn't even part of the topic.

{quoted} Like, NONE of these replies look at Sona's damage output comparitively to basically any other ap champ.

Even with that said, Sona can't weave efficiently consistently outside of 1, maybe 2 attempts because her spells have uneven cds.

2. Ok, so basically you're splitting hairs to make a literal point that Sona's overall damage potential is low.

I'm not splitting hairs. Her overall damage output IS low. You can build a ton of AP on Nami and Janna too, but I wouldn't say their damage is high either. NONE of them are, but people have this misconception that Sona's is because basically all her damage dealing potential is shoved into one spell...and only when her passive is up...for one hit.

You can keep trying to make that point I guess, but getting kills, assists, and wins is what actually matters.

That isn't even the point of the thread...

Sona's actually quite good at things like winning games, which is the point of playing games.

I don't know what game you're playing but I'm surprised it's not League of Legends given how we should be talking about the same character.

As supports go, she has a unique combination of cheap, un-missable, ranged, frequent, strong poke with very high burst windows. Along with a functional amount of utility.

Not the point of the thread.

You're asking for Sona to be Annie. Which is strange considering Sona wins so many more games as support than Annie does.

I'm not asking for Sona to be Annie. I'm asking why do people think Sona hits like Annie when she clearly doesn't. If you asked me what I really want, I'd want a rework of the champ. One that allows for Sona to be an actual viable pick from time to time and not stuck in this low-elo stomper state like she is now. One that gives her actual supporting tools that are relevant with the times. Not just "more damage".

But since that may never happen, realistically I want for people to realize how dumb they look when they insinuate that someone that built a Luden's and a Lich shouldn't do a large amount of damage to their adc, almost regardless of who.