Riot, for Season 7 can we please get some additional Vision support?

BottleCapster·9/12/2016, 5:58:23 AM·23 votes·1,285 views

Okay so Season 6 is closing out. In commemoration of this, I'd like to talk about warding. So back at the beginning of Season 6, you guys made some massive changes to the vision system, which included a blanket nerf to all existing vision items, a nerf that ended up making the Farsight Alteration easily the most effective option for getting team vision throughout early S6.

Along with those blanket nerfs, you guys also removed the option for purchasing stealth wards, a change that made it incredibly difficult for non-support players to keep their lane safe, and on a much broader scale, made it much much more difficult for laners to assist in team vision. After season upon season of making changes to alleviate warding responsibility from support players, you ended up hoisting vision priority almost entirely on them, as after nerfing Farsight into submission, you guys provided very little support to the only remaining viable team vision tool accessible to non-supports outside of a single pink.

So What kinds of things would I like to see in S7? Well if you guys are still adamant about not having stealth wards available in shop, at least bring back the greater stealth totem, because the warding totem is just really underwhelming, and honestly just kind of bad at its job.

For instance, let's take a look at the maximum possible warding options available to laners through this item.

At max lv item 3340 wards last for 2m, and stores a charge every 90s. If used as it comes off of cooldown, a player can have a maximum of 2 wards out for a maximum of 30s, before their first dies. If used at 2 charges, a player can have 3/3 warding for 30s as well, before 2 of their wards die. Even if staggered, a player cannot have their ward count at 3/3 for more than 30s.

And this, is late game lv18 ward coverage. The values only get worse as you pull back. At lv6, Wards last 78s (1.3m) and recharges in 153s (2.55m) Meaning 3/3 warding is impossible, and 2/3 is only possible if you wait for both charges. In fact, 3/3 wards is only possible in the current iteration at LV 15 for the grand total of 3s. (109s last/ 106s recharge)

So Riot, please. For Season 7, lend us a bone. Alleviate some of the support warding burden by giving non-supports options to contribute to the team's vision in meaningful ways. Whether you bring back Stealth wards, return Greater Stealth Totem to us, or something else. Give us the option to make a noticeable and consistent difference. Help top laners not be such gank-fodder, Help make the map a brighter place, if even slightly.

21 Comments

OurLestrade9/12/2016, 8:02:17 AM11 votes

I'm hoping they stop balancing literally everything around pro play and actually consider that most of their players aren't pros.

ZT Xperimentor9/13/2016, 3:58:41 AM6 votes

I'd like to see these back. item 3362 item 3361

Blue Moon Wolf9/12/2016, 9:25:25 AM5 votes

I did come up with an Idea a while back that could work out for everyone:

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b430/bluemoonwolf8/Boots_of_Sight_zpsqjeuynvu.jpg

Boots of Sight

+40 movement speed 200 HP 1500g

item 1001 + item 2049

(Same active as item 2049 )

Pros:

  • everyone has a ward option
  • It keeps space available for champs like ADC's who need the other slots for damage items
  • Supports can buy item 3401 item 3092 item 3069 without needing to use an extra slot for item 2045
  • With this as a ward option, item 2045 is free to give item 2043 in some form instead of item 3649.
  • It sacrifices speed and costs a bit more (no more than item 2045 would for supports), so it's less likely to overshadow all other boots.

Cons:

  • Though the price and less speed would make it less likely to overshadow the other boots, that's not a guarantee.
  • Vision would be very readily available for everyone (though it's the same argument when adding a useful vision item for every class to begin with)
  • may make item 2303 item 2302 item 2301 redundant (also not a guarantee, but is a possibility)
Maximum Morde9/13/2016, 1:04:56 PM4 votes

I'm hoping they just delete sightstone and pinks and make vision purely off trinket.

Meanie409/13/2016, 4:28:17 AM4 votes

The problem is, they specifically removed vision wards because there was too much vision in higher levels of play. They don't want the map lit up like a Christmas tree.

Yes, supports have gone back to being "warding bitches" as a result. The pendulum has swung much too far. It's hard to swing it back much the other way though without lighting the map up again at the highest levels.

DREADN0UGHT9/13/2016, 4:00:40 AM3 votes

a pink slot ffs. GIVE US A PINK SLOT!!

TricolorStar9/13/2016, 4:26:23 PM2 votes

I just want more options for true vision. One pink ward per player is not enough if you've got a Teemo and Shaco on the enemy team.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR9/13/2016, 4:10:43 AM2 votes

Honestly I just wanna go back to season 3 vision where you could shit vision wards all over the map. It might screw up the game more than it's worth, but honestly I liked that far more than I have liked the vision systems ever since then.

Keevalroy9/12/2016, 2:34:22 PM1 votes

I just want green wards and 4 charge sightstones again, especially with the assassin update coming.

TyrekGoldenspear9/13/2016, 12:54:30 AM1 votes

Yes, as Taric I shall light up bot lane like a Christmas tree so all can see my outrageousness.

Athenes Lulu9/12/2016, 4:11:37 PM1 votes

Because we totally want to pigeonhole supports into buying 90% of wards all day, and that games are decided by whichever support spends blindly more on wards because they don't know how to spend/use their resources wisely.

And give those "DPS supports" another excuse to never buy a sightstone because they're trying way too hard to be hipster while throwing reasoning out of the window. Not the best idea.

Though I'm always open to letting players buy vision wards even with 6 full slots.

DrugsForRobots9/13/2016, 3:52:11 AM1 votes

While I do think Riot should throw us a bone...

Why not advocate more more vision options - more expressions and variety in the ways we get info on the enemy? There is so much design space for different forms of vision, why no ask Riot to explore the vision game?