Once reasonably strong and useful, but oh how you have fallen.

Irelia Bot·Jan 1, 2016·7 votes·1,030 views

You don't even have your classic 42 reference anymore wit's end.

Riot please address this now near dead item. No one gets it cause it is out classed by other options currently.

Make it ether built out of QSS, built into something better (like a revamped madred's bloodrazor), a combination of both or delete it from the game. It is sad seeing it basically sitting around being a brain dead vegetable. Give it life or give it death.

Or at least give us some input on why the item is as it is currently and why it is not being helped.

21 Comments

FantasySniperJan 1, 20163 votes

It's highly exploitable by niche champions: Warwick and Udyr being the prime examples.

I wish it was more useful, but as long as they exist, the niche can't be balanced.

BluePolarizerJan 1, 20163 votes

I'm not seeing how it's more exploitable than BoRK. And oh no they get 42 extra bonus damage on hit. That's only half of what you get for free from Fervor of Battle.

FantasySniperJan 1, 20163 votes

They are basic-attack reliant fighters that scale their offense and defense at the same time because they inherently scale both ways. A hybrid offense/defense item doesn't really compare to BotRK. Wit's End increases MR by a considerable amount and has a niche for on-hit magic damage. It's not just those two that would exploit it.

Irelia BotJan 1, 20162 votes

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It's highly exploitable by niche champions: and being the prime examples.

I wish it was more useful, but as long as they exist, the niche can't be balanced.

Udyr has never really broken wit's end, IT is good on him but not breaking the game. I rarely ever see udyr in the past 6 months.

WW is is dire need of a rework and VU so it could happen after his much needed changes which will happen just don't know when.

FantasySniperJan 1, 20162 votes

The reason why Udyr has never broken it is because Wit's End has never been anything more than situational even on the champions that fulfill the niche. It's difficult to imagine how to make it worth picking up on other champions without having it become broken on Udyr, Shyvana, etc.

Earl EulrichJan 1, 20161 votes

have fun stacking that mr on udyr while you get kited to death without landing a single aa... botrk is a lot more abusable for those champs as it also has a gapcloser included + lifeleech mostly provides better survivability than some little mr. There´s no reason at all that wit´s end has to be this weak.

FantasySniperJan 1, 20163 votes

BotRK is exploited more by the likes of Vayne and Zed. Warwick, Udyr, and the like have on-hit magic effects, and kits that practically focus on personal survivability while still possessing high DPS. (Let's not forget inherent synergy with Devourer) Give them an item that makes them take less damage and still gives powerful DPS, it's their wet dream as much as it is your worst nightmare.

MelledoneusJan 2, 20162 votes

What Riot needs to do:

Nerf this broken item: item 3124

And rework this one: item 3091

One should be for offensive attack speed and another should give ramping up defenses or something. Maybe Wit's End can even reflect magic damage.

ZephyrDrakeJan 2, 20161 votes

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It's highly exploitable by niche champions: and being the prime examples.

I wish it was more useful, but as long as they exist, the niche can't be balanced.

how is it exploitable? unless you are talking about devourer and even then it's an issue with devourer itself and not the item. How is it exploitable by niche champions? just because they can auto attack? that's the entire point of the item to enhance auto attackers and it's not doing that at all.

FantasySniperJan 2, 20161 votes

They have on-hit magic damage and scale with tankiness better than most champions because of their DPS fighter playstyle. Who fits this description? Warwick, Udyr, Shyvana, and Jax. What does Wit's End do? Cater to exactly that playstyle, and they usually do just fine without it.

Make it powerful enough to be consistently used by those champions, and those champions will wreak havoc with it.

ZephyrDrakeJan 2, 20161 votes

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They have on-hit magic damage and scale with tankiness better than most champions because of their DPS fighter playstyle. Who fits this description? Warwick, Udyr, Shyvana, and Jax. What does Wit's End do? Cater to exactly that playstyle, and they usually do just fine without it.

Make it powerful enough to be consistently used by those champions, and those champions will wreak havoc with it.

so? that's the entire point of items, to enhance the strength of champions, cover their weaknesses or allow them to play an entirely different style than what they would usually play. Wit's End isn't being abused by anyone who isn't building Devourer, they still have the exact same issues whether they build the item or not. The item would need to be broken beyond belief for it to allow ANY champion to wreak havoc by itself. Hell most on-hit items are just bad period due to underwhelming they are. We might as well make item 3116 be weak since it can be abused by certain champions or for that matter let's leave every single item in the game that can be abused by someone in any way shape or form in a weak state for no good reason

FantasySniperJan 2, 20161 votes

The small champion pool that would use it is already healthy enough without it.

Buffing Wit's End is just asking for them to be nerfed - and thus put on a short leash dependent on the balance of the item.

TBH, it's a fair way to "fix" these repeat-offender champions, but it's a difficult path to take.

Earl EulrichJan 1, 20162 votes

a) the 42 really needs to reappear again, dumbest nerf of all times...killing the joke to make an already weak item weaker b) i´d be in favour of adding stinger to it instead of recurve bow...most champs that would use wit´s end really would like the cdr. c) also, they could add a late-game upgrade that turns into a sort of new zephyr...some more stats, ms and tenacity would fit the item perfectly, as it´s mostly for bruisers like shyvana.

XIII VanitasJan 1, 20162 votes

item 3091 is still used on Warwick , on-hit Kayle , KogMaw and sometimes on MasterYi jungle, Skarner jungler, Teemo , Udyr , on-hit TwistedFate and XinZhao too. If crit builds weren't so OP, we could build it on Corki too. It would be used on many other autoattackers if item 3075 wasn't shit and lifesteal was hard to get. Anyways, 10 champions out of 128 is not a bad number. It should be looked at for sure, but definetely not deleted.

BonipherusJan 1, 20162 votes

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Wit's End feels like a component item, nowhere close to a legendary-ranked one.

AlakalzamJan 1, 20161 votes

Teemo uses it. It can be useful on any AP/AS build. If it's under statted, raising the AS to 50% should solve that issue and/or bump the MR by 10-15.

I should also note that it's part of the most successful WW core build according to champion.gg

Irelia BotJan 1, 20161 votes

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Teemo uses it. It can be useful on any AP/AS build. If it's under statted, raising the AS to 50% should solve that issue and/or bump the MR by 10-15.

I should also note that it's part of the most successful WW core build according to champion.gg

So you are saying that this item should not be made more useful for other champs because teemo who doesn't even get it often can use it?

WW needs a rework in the worst way so don't count him as a means of balancing an item.

MLDzXnRRRJan 1, 20161 votes

I see it only on devourer jungles.

AunuxaJan 1, 20161 votes

the magic dmg on Wits end should scale with your total MR.

FrickendaChickenJan 1, 20161 votes

It isn't being helped because A) It's EXTREMELY cheap, B) Great for characters who need some attack speed and have an enemy who can be a threat that is AP.(if There's a veigar on the enemy team, and I'm Irelia, I'm getting Wit's End.) C) It gives some decent damage early and mid, and it's great early and mid because of how cheap it is. D) Gives decent tankiness once you get into a fight against AP champs. F) DID I MENTION HOW CHEAP IT IS? [slayer-jinx-wink]