Like cant we nerf her jg without killing her top? Why is she allowed to be a super ganker while not have that bad of a clear? not to even get started on post 6 it's basicly a free kill when ult is up. I just find it sad that she is allowed to stay this way and riot does not care because LCS has not started yet so the rest of the playerbase can deal......I guess?? [zombie-brand-mindblown]
Cam jgs clear speed is god awful. Its just the fact that lvl 2 ganks have been the meta forever, then scuttle fights happen, etc. Guess what Camille excels at. Lvl 2 ganks and skirmishing.
She doesn't even have clear. The Gromp can solo kill u faster than a Talon can. She is one of the best gankers and this is why people play her jg. Otherwise i believe even soraka jg can clear her camps with q and e much better than camille.
Evelynn, Graves, Camille and potentially Rengar need to be put in check
Camille is also broken in top lane too
what? her clear is trash, she doesn't even clear half her jungle until tiamat
I never want Riot to revert anything... except the scuttle craP.
Scuttle craps are just too good. Please revert scuttle CRAP!
Her clear is garbage.
To be honest she needs her damage on Q to lane top. Her Q poke is her strength top but in jungle it's just average. All in all. I would actually give her a bit more W poke to lane topside as it's a dodgable skillshot and make her E have 50% longer cooldown, but reduce it by 50% of it hits an enemy champion.
This way, tank 1 she would have 24 seconds not 16 tank 1, but if she hits a champion it would be reduced to 12. This would mean she wouldn't wanna use it in a jungle to make shortcuts if she plans to gank, but if gank goes smoothly she would be able to use it to get back where she wants to faster
Her entire kit is basicly made to turn any gank into a freekill. Her clear doesnt matter at all - Camille usually doesn't bother with clearing the JGL. Whenever you not die to your first buff, the incentives of playing her JGL will ALWAYS be higher than playing her Top.
E is simply not healthy. It needs to be gutted at some point. And that's what I'm thinking since the very first time I saw her PBE... Cutting the range in half or even to a third! And give it Championlevel scaling or just rebalance from there entirely.
Hookshot's range needs to be nerfed.
Camilles clear is actually horrible compared to most junglers. It's the fact that she can get early kills so easily that leads to early items like tiamat that give her a fast clear. Otherwise Kayn clears 100000x faster for example.
Her clear is so awful. She needs a tiamat and they just increased the price.
Camille jungle is strong for many reasons.
Her slow clear is not important because she secure crab better than any other meta jungler. Eve, Lee, Kha and others don't have the cc necessary or they don't have the power to fight her early and later on she will take it faster than them.
Smite and red smite gives her so much dueling potential. Camille is super strong for the 5 first levels and after that she falls of quite a lot until triforce, but with red smite and red she can duel so much better. Her dueling power is crazy in the jungle if you ask me.
Her ganking potential. Riot nerfed her E damage quite a lot, but it doesn't matter because she still gets attack speed and that thing still does damage which in combination with red and red smite her burst is crazy. PTA also adds to that burst. Her ult has a long CD, but it adds to that ganking potential.
So is practically impossible to nerf her jungle without nerfing her top because she gets a lot from the jungle that doesn't come from her innate power.
Newer champs mostly all have the same problem.
Why is she allowed to be a super ganker while not have that bad of a clear?
That's the boards for ya
Try clearing camps with her lol it feels like total shit. Power farmers could double your cs early if they path well
Riot's tried to do exactly that... the recent attack speed nerf was supposed to hurt her jungling (by nerfing her clear speed) while having a small effect on her toplane play. It's unfortunately a complicated problem, it's not really possible to nerf her in one role and not another unless maybe by giving her an artificial damage penalty against monsters.
She can't clear for shit. all she has is her ganks going for her, and since lv 2 ganks are the thing, she's good at that.
They should start from scratch and nerf her E range to champions to start with then take a look to other spells and if she s too strong nerf her until she s viable again, problem resolved
She has a too good of a gank potential early, if they mad stun scale with levels, that would drastically change the way she is played.
Because riot isn't doing many number changes until season 9. The bar to get nerfed is high enough that it pretty much excludes all junglers.
Hmmm, gimme that JG Camille build and runes this instant!
Any direct nerf to a jungler will impact their laning phase, but not vica versa. this is why when top laners get overly nerfed, sometimes they end up homeless and wander in the jungle. another reason for sudden role change is because they are simply more effective in the jungle than they are in top.
what can you nerf about camille that won't impact her laning phase? nerfing her mobility or lockdown will impact her teamfighting. the only way i see is is to make he E range scale with rank, and make leveling it up first unviable, so that she can only reach her oppressive mobility mid/late game, but that will never happen
