most gold as shaco.....most kills yet same story as always.
your pet class was the one 1v5ing.
darius was the one tower diving... darius was the one who inspired the most fear into everyone.
its pretty sad that darius can stand around with 10% health and just auto r kill me while i have 3k more gold than him.
what pathetic balance.
Kai Guy2 votesDude your exaggerating or intentionally lying to folks once again. Once again, one tricking shaco has consequences on your teams comp, At the time you died to darius, which only happened once all game, you did not have 3k gold lead on him. This is easily proven looking at your op.gg checking kill map and then referencing that to your gold over time compared to his.
Stop making QQ threads after every frustrating loss, Learn your champions pros and cons better and if your sick and tired of being wrecked by bruisers or having a bad mid game STOP WITH THE SHACO 1 TRICK BROOOSKI IM LITEREALLY USING CAPS LOCKS TO MAKE IT CLEAR I WANT TO YELL THIS INTO YOUR EARS TO GET IT TO STICK! Or don't, ill look over your post briefly, warn folks to not attempt to help you because you will refuse any and all help and only be a waste time to the folks who want to assist others.
I hope you have fun playing lol but at some point I really want you to get the constant salt and QQ spam threads you make do not benefit any one, and its annoying that your constantly exaggerating or lying to folks.
If you really feel I'm wrong, please take the time to download replays, record the exact death in a clip, post it with your opening so folks can see it and talk specifically to what ever you feel the issue is.
zarxus12341 votes[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=86QW6dee,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-13T03:42:27.220+0000)
Dude your exaggerating or intentionally lying to folks once again. Once again, one tricking shaco has consequences on your teams comp, At the time you died to darius, which only happened once all game, you did not have 3k gold lead on him. This is easily proven looking at your op.gg checking kill map and then referencing that to your gold over time compared to his.
Stop making QQ threads after every frustrating loss, Learn your champions pros and cons better and if your sick and tired of being wrecked by bruisers or having a bad mid game STOP WITH THE SHACO 1 TRICK BROOOSKI IM LITEREALLY USING CAPS LOCKS TO MAKE IT CLEAR I WANT TO YELL THIS INTO YOUR EARS TO GET IT TO STICK! Or don't, ill look over your post briefly, warn folks to not attempt to help you because you will refuse any and all help and only be a waste time to the folks who want to assist others.
I hope you have fun playing lol but at some point I really want you to get the constant salt and QQ spam threads you make do not benefit any one, and its annoying that your constantly exaggerating or lying to folks.
If you really feel I'm wrong, please take the time to download replays, record the exact death in a clip, post it with your opening so folks can see it and talk specifically to what ever you feel the issue is.
why do people refuse to talk about balance. its not a qq issue. its a balance issue. i want a game that is balance and fair for everyone.
I had to run as a level 18 shaco from a level 15 jax. Have you ever played shaco? do you understand how subpar this champion is.
This champion being so useless against bruisers is a balance issue. When i can play so much better than my opponent and it doesnt matter because of champion picks. Thats a balance issue.
Did you know when the darius killed me it was a 1v2? While i had 8 kills a level up on him and he had 1 kill.
you think im lying because you dont think the balance team is this bad. if you think im lying or exaggerating thats on you. I just want a game thats balanced.
dolphinosplash245 votes.i want a game that is balance and fair for everyone.
Call me crazy but it sounds like to me that you want the game to balance for shaco OTP like yourself. Also sounds like your blaming riot for not being able to play the champion properly
Kai Guy3 votes"do you play shaco, do you under stand how subpar this champion is." That's a problem with shaco, not everything else in the game. He needs love till then your at a disadvantage. Its a problem with shacos health he needs the help. "This champion being so useless against bruisers is a balance issue" Still not about the games balance just relates to shaco being weak. its an issue for him and its an avoidable one if you don't choose to play shaco every single time into any and all situations. @52%
No, I'm telling you that your not providing accurate information. Your death is at 22 min, I can look up the EXP gain time line and check your exp vs darius exp, Darius had higher total exp then you from 3 minuts into the game until 24 minuts. There is no possible way you can be above darius in levels when he killed you when his champions total experience is higher then your exp and this fight happened at 22 min. You eather only ever post of your memory and fail to check and properly analyze your own matches or you just dont care if you lead folks astray with wrong information. I dont know if your intentionally lying and frankly I dont care, I want you to provide the right numbers and correctly explain things.
I will once more give you a recommendation that if you feel obligated to continue making posts like this ever 3-7 losses that you take a look over the replay for the moments your discussing. Then to make it easier on everybody, share that moment by posting a link to it so its visible and accurate discussion can happen. (use Tab during replay to showcase items btw)
zarxus12341 votes[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=86QW6dee,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-13T04:35:43.049+0000)
"do you play shaco, do you under stand how subpar this champion is." That's a problem with shaco, not everything else in the game. He needs love till then your at a disadvantage. Its a problem with shacos health he needs the help. "This champion being so useless against bruisers is a balance issue" Still not about the games balance just relates to shaco being weak. its an issue for him and its an avoidable one if you don't choose to play shaco every single time into any and all situations. @52%
No, I'm telling you that your not providing accurate information. Your death is at 22 min, I can look up the EXP gain time line and check your exp vs darius exp, Darius had higher total exp then you from 3 minuts into the game until 24 minuts. There is no possible way you can be above darius in levels when he killed you when his champions total experience is higher then your exp and this fight happened at 22 min. You eather only ever post of your memory and fail to check and properly analyze your own matches or you just dont care if you lead folks astray with wrong information. I dont know if your intentionally lying and frankly I dont care, I want you to provide the right numbers and correctly explain things.
I will once more give you a recommendation that if you feel obligated to continue making posts like this ever 3-7 losses that you take a look over the replay for the moments your discussing. Then to make it easier on everybody, share that moment by posting a link to it so its visible and accurate discussion can happen. (use Tab during replay to showcase items btw)
funny how you ignore the fact that i had 8 kills and he had 1. And it was a 1v2 and he kill both me and lux. But just ignore the facts. He must have outplayed us thats why. Just ignore the fact that i had to run as a level 18 shaco from a 15 jax.
Last game it was the reverse and kill me before i had to to react with a q... through exhaust.
Bruisers are broken in general. last game was jax and garen against panth and singed. The other 3 people were just there.
You can just continue to ignore all that.
You can continue to ignore the fact that a level 7 1-5 ww. solo'd a level 10 2-0-2 urgot. But i bet you dont believe that either because there is no way there could be balance issues.
Kai Guy1 votesWell, again, I do not trust you to provide accurate information. I'm able to check your stats, how many times are you going to try to tell me that I need to just listen to you and ignore the data right in front of my eyes? That darius game your cs was 29 at 22 min when he killed you. Ya had 0 cs score for the first 10 min. What does it take to get thru that you need to look at yourself a bit more? You had kills your gold from camps was really low. If you had strong item lead or gold lead I can see why you would be mad. But that was not the case, you guys where very close in gold, both had similar item slots completion, and I simply do not trust you when you say it was a 2v1 because there's no way to see what if any Impact lux was there unless you start posting a clip.
Bruisers Beat shaco in general. You should just expect to see that every time early thru mid and for champions who can CC him befor he kills his targets to be a threat to his viability. Bruisers fall off mid to late, other champions spike up, this is how classes in mobas work my man.
I'm not trying to ignore you, there is just 0 value trying to argue about things that your consistently misleading about or incorrect on.
If you keep trying to exclusively play 1 champion you do not have a proper view of what the games health looks like all your experiences are going to be limited in scope. That's not the games balance, because the game is a lot more then just the 1 champion you insist on playing.
zarxus12341 votes[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=86QW6dee,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-13T06:28:56.358+0000)
Well, again, I do not trust you to provide accurate information. I'm able to check your stats, how many times are you going to try to tell me that I need to just listen to you and ignore the data right in front of my eyes? That darius game your cs was 29 at 22 min when he killed you. Ya had 0 cs score for the first 10 min. What does it take to get thru that you need to look at yourself a bit more? You had kills your gold from camps was really low. If you had strong item lead or gold lead I can see why you would be mad. But that was not the case, you guys where very close in gold, both had similar item slots completion, and I simply do not trust you when you say it was a 2v1 because there's no way to see what if any Impact lux was there unless you start posting a clip.
Bruisers Beat shaco in general. You should just expect to see that every time early thru mid and for champions who can CC him befor he kills his targets to be a threat to his viability. Bruisers fall off mid to late, other champions spike up, this is how classes in mobas work my man.
I'm not trying to ignore you, there is just 0 value trying to argue about things that your consistently misleading about or incorrect on.
If you keep trying to exclusively play 1 champion you do not have a proper view of what the games health looks like all your experiences are going to be limited in scope. That's not the games balance, because the game is a lot more then just the 1 champion you insist on playing.
i honestly don't know what you are looking at then.... when you go that game i had 8 kills 113 cs and was level 12. the daruis had 145 cs... level 12 and 1 kill.
You say bruisers counter shaco. Fine i can accept that.
When i play shaco and i get fed i cant assassinate adc's. But i can't. And yet im this useless against a class that counters me? Thats where the imbalances come in.
If my champion is this bad against bruisers i better as hell better be able to do my job as an assassin. And i dont. Hence this game is imbalanced.
Kai Guy1 votesLook up your name under op gg. Go to ETC tab look up CS per minute. I am willing to accept that OPGG has not updated to the new jungle to cs system well, but if you want me to take your word I need a screen cap of your death or a replay clip. Its not difficult for you to provide this. I'm literally going off OP.GG for every statement you make, you can instantly correct anything I'm wrong about with proof using a screen cap. I will never be upset or angry that some one proves me wrong because I want accuracy, I want to help, I like seeing what causes problems for player, Please help me out with this if you can.
As an assassin main, Your impact is gonna be off working off teammates, folks who fuck up and overstay, and once you have items your gonna fuck up squishys solo and they can only ever rely on teammates to keep them relevant. Please remember that You yourself admitted in this very thread shaco is in a sub par place. Its ok to keep playing him, and hey if your strong enough mechanically its great to see you beat out "meta" picks... and you are over 50% win rate so your undeniably doing that so kudos. I don't hate that you one trick, just that you don't seem open to the fact balance for what feels good on shaco is not equivalent to balance for the game.
For an assassin to be able to murder 100% to 0 it requires items and/or for the targets team to not actively disrupt your burst pattern. On shaco whos abilitys require excessive time and setup or a gross item lead.... well when a decent player on a tank/support/bruiser can prevent this... his viability tanks. Feast or famine... its a very accurate for him, and the worst thing is even if he is fat and feasting if you don't have enough help and support from teammates its excessively difficult to carry your team to a win. You might be the best preforming player in that game but if a majority of your opponents are doing better then your teammates odds are you will see that match as a loss. Its not the game blance its an inherent issue with champions who have exclusively opportunistic playstyles.
I dont want this to get twisted out of context because Assassins can make or break a game.... but synergy with allies will provide consistently a higher impact on if you win the match. Assassins need a window to take advantage of enemy's misplays or allies setup. you don't get that its a fucking struggle to keep your team in the match. The level required for you to play is way way above other roles. Assassins have been considered the best class for personal skill expression in lol and its accurate because they require much higher skill then other classes to thrive. Not a flaw, just a clear cut self evident pattern of play for a class that needs to win 1v1 or outplay teamfights. If you need to do better the everbody on the other team just to be viable it means you lose out when you cant. Don't like this, reconsider playing assassins. Love your skill expression and games being decided because your the one making the right moves... assassins the right class for ya.
I really would love to see you take a break from shaco and play tanks and bruisers for a month. I think you will learn some of the moments they exhibit their best power, as well as what counters them, and hopefully it will translate into you having less issues vs them in future games as shaco.
Shifue Draven1 votesWell for one thing anyone can beat anyone given enough skill and proper timing. That being said......
1)Shaco is a 1v1 assassin and subpar at that if you don't play to his strength like attacking from behind and using the boxes right. This doesn't mean he is useless just he is not a one size fits all. He is a early to mid game champ and falls off hard before thing and usually does not add much to a team fight.
3)Garen is a juggernaut not a bruiser singed is a niche gimmick that everyone acts like he is op but is usually subpar in damage and in every aspect of the game he is the easy splitpusher to counter. Panth is alright but he falls off after mid game to.
This more sounds like you're mad cause you can't fit a square peg in a round hole. Right now as well as the adc thing you have stated below no one can pretty much take out the adcs right now other then other adcs. This is coming from a rammus main IE. the guy made to be a ad tank and now gets blown up in 2 seconds flat.
So to agree yes there is balance issues but not in the way you are thinking as shaco is a high risk champion. all kits but adc and a few assassins are in the trash right now.
Escheton1 votesShaco is an early game jungler. He is good at giving kills to laners so they get ahead and win the game while he just splitpushes or picks squishies off in their jungle. Shaco is a bad toplaner. It's not what he is designed for. Bruisers are good toplaners. Thats what they are designed for.
Just because you like riding a bicycle, doesn't mean it's a good idea to take your bicycle onto a freeway. Much less make a thread complaining how cars are OP after they run you over.