So, when can we top mains expect to have our lane fixed?

Ragnaveil··10 votes·6,126 views

Because if myself as a top main can only get wins as ADC, then idk what else screams a failure of a lane than toplane. Not only that, but im never autofilled when I go top primary: Something that has never happened to me ever since Autofill was created until now.

Its just so bad to play even with all the broken shit because of:

  • 0 impact on the game
  • 50/50 matchups that require you to be agro 24/7
  • jg camps the lane since its the easiest to camp
  • only one early game objective that most soloq jgs get after the result of botlane
  • too many champs in one lane that it becomes impossible to balance
  • too many niche counterpicks that are impossible to ban out
  • heavy lack of map presence (thanks TP nerf)

Like the list goes on. I just chatted with a buddy of mine who was D1 in top, and he fell as far as D4, and he completely agrees the lane is shit, and lacks any type of presence. TFBlade wins by practically not even playing the lane. Hes a second jungler in his game basically, and not everyone can do that.

I want my lane back Riot, so I'd much appreciate it since you took my honor away because I was too harsh to a person who decided to play as remake would happen, and it screwed the rest of the game afterward. There is no other lane for us since midlane doesn't want any of our champs in their lane, but they are content with their's in our lane.

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loli fidler4 votes

just play max e unsealed raid susan

Ragnaveil3 votes

Sure, and pray my team doesn't lose the game by 15 minutes. Or pray the enemy team doesn't have any kite potential.

Galaxyburstz3 votes

Lower TP CD, buff Dorans Shield, and adjust Resolve runes to be more tank revolved rather than damage output based, and lower MS by 10 / 15 on ranged champions commonly taken in the top lane

Ragnaveil1 votes

Also give us a better objective (or swap rift and drake). Also revert the tp nerf.

Galaxyburstz4 votes

Swapping objectives would absolutely throw the whole games meta over, like we would start to see ADCs and supports go top and lane swap, but yeah TP was nerfed because of pro play while non professional top laners were left in the dark

Ragnaveil4 votes

Yeah, its just we need some way of impact. TP's cd was made high because of the refund.

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

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Lower TP CD, buff Dorans Shield, and adjust Resolve runes to be more tank revolved rather than damage output based, and lower MS by 10 / 15 on ranged champions commonly taken in the top lane

Make the D shield buff melee only so range champs can't abuse it.

Don't want a repeat of season 8 start.

Sir Saltarin1 votes

Lower TP CD

And suddenly you have all games with 6 teleports, no thanks

Sanghelios3 votes

Toplaners are actually the highest IQ players in the game, if you think about the things they have to accomplish to carry a game.

Ragnaveil2 votes

But is it that necessary though. Like the amount of things they have to do was fine back then, but now its like having two part time jobs to juggle. So many keys, but do they really match the lock.

Solle1 votes

You mean try to carry the game xD.

mack91122 votes

It feels like a pretty diverse lane but every role feels that way now which is pretty healthy

Ragnaveil4 votes

? Its more diverse than every other lane combined. And thats the issue. Mid's want nothing else in their lane but assassins and mages, adcs want adcs, supports want tanks and enchanters, and what is toplane? Mages, Fighters, Bruisers, Adcs, Tanks. Top should be only Fighters Bruisers and Tanks. The rest can fuck off to their designated lane they should exist in. If no one else wants diversity, then why should we put up with it?

mack91122 votes

Personally as a jungler I love the diversity that exists in my role.

Compared to season past my games have had such varied play styles it’s such an exciting time to be a part of this game

Ragnaveil1 votes

I dont mind it, but its massively excessive toplane, and is rarely balanced. Remember when top Vik happened, and it was obviously the most disgusting thing to hit toplane (before Riven's pupstomping of patches on patches)? Took them a month to finally nerf it.

The thigh guy2 votes

Top lane results in 90% of the broken shit in this game and 9/10 decides the game by itself and somehow has no impact? Okay dude.

And people say adcs are the ones who whine the most. :/

Ragnaveil1 votes

In Silver, sure. Toplane in diamond just lacks value. You could be 10/0, but if your team shits the bed, good luck.

The thigh guy1 votes

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In Silver, sure. Toplane in diamond just lacks value. You could be 10/0, but if your team shits the bed, good luck.

That’s litteraly every role ever.

As an adc, if your top laner is a shitter who fed riven 10 kills, you lose without counterplay.

If your mid and your bot lane feeds 10 kills tona vayne. You lose. By default.

FSRER2 votes

I agree with your statements. Toplane feels too relied on if the jungler will help. If you have your junhgler gank and give you a kill you can practically win the lane, if the enemy jungler ganks you and leaves the kill to the enemy toplaner he will win the lane. Not to talk about the shit I have to go throught at every pre game lobby where I haven't been last pick since (literally) the december of 2018 and all the other times I am either first or second pick and because I main Sion and Jax, if I pick them first pick I will either get a Darius/Fiora or an Aatrox/Darius and that Is pretty much gg assuming that the jungler does not give a crap about helping me at any way (like forcing the enemy to back and use tp to get in lane where I will shove him out and I can snowball easier) but he will flame me once he sees the 2/0 enemy laner walking down and killing everything because it is obviously (K) my fault.

How to fix that?....... I have no freaking Idea.... The lane is so messed up that there are hardly anything to do to fix that other than making some champions return to meta with their original purpose (Mundo got his q buffed instead of increasing some of his armor, Garen got his W buffed instead of adding a passive that the more enemies are nearby the more his armor increases (Oldest garen thread suggestion) etc)

CrazyMonkeyCZ1 votes

When was toplane balanced in your opinion?

Ragnaveil1 votes

Never tbh. The only time it got actual balance was when people were crying about the tank meta. Kinda about it. Lets not forget back then that any champ that didnt work in jg mid adc or support got instantly shoved toplane.

CrazyMonkeyCZ

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Never tbh. The only time it got actual balance was when people were crying about the tank meta. Kinda about it.

I honestly kinda hated that times, I mean, it was bro lane most of the times and what happened in lane didn’t matter in tfs with tanks, but did you find it enjoyable to be restricted to only one class?

Ragnaveil1 votes

Im being restricted right now. So no I dont. But there was a time during that meta that you could play bruisers/juggernauts.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

What is a bruiser?

A diver or a skirmisher?

Because last i checked both Irelia and Jax are great into toplane ranged matchups, riven should have a few of those she beats as well.

And on the Darius reddit page you´ll find a guide by a challenger main, it states that many ranged matchups are tilting, but winnable if played right.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Right, and both of them are heavy main restricted playstyles. You practically have to dump a month's worth of games into learning everything about them, and by that time the meta has already changed. Ranged users that are not a Bruiser Fighter or Tank just needs to leave top. The moment bruisers and fighters get played bot, bot throws a fit. The moment bruisers and fighters get played mid, mid throws a fit. The moment adcs and mages get played top, we complain, but it doesn't matter, because mid and bot aren't complaining. Top's a joke lane outside of pro play, simple as that.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

I have both Irelia and jax on mastery 7......both are among my most played and i can tell you, neither actually takes much skill beyond knowing combos and relative damage when the matchup is favorable.

Jax especially is stat checky and simple in the way he works, Irelia takes more effort but if you know what her abilities do and can consistently land her E then its not so difficult either....rather i find most ranged matchups on her to be easy......for many as long as your arent horribly behind you just autowin post 6.

Ranged will never leave top as long as there are melee countered by them, just as "support mages" will never leave botlane as long as they can poke and eventually combo some ADC to death.

Botlane threw a fit because like only 2-3 outa 17 were playable and they can only play that one role due to support dependency, compared to say Jax, Camilie, jarvan or hecarim who have two lanes to choose from they really have the right to complain.

Midlane......is throwing a fit because irelia spanks mages and assassins, just like how botlane complained when some mages rolled in and started chasing out a number of marksmen out of the lane.

Then i actually want to dig into some of your earlier claims as well.

0 impact on the game? As if botlane has any until lategame either? Midlane and jungle roaming about is who decide if no one gets fed before them

50/50 matchups? Bullshit, toplane is extremely hit or miss in many matchups due to how many counterpicks there are for anything, and you dont have to be aggro at all times unless looking to snowball but for who is this not the case?

You dont win by doing nothing........unless your enemy is some manner of case that falls off like a rock off a cliff.

Easiest to camp? Ridiculous, nothing is easier to gank than a immobile mage when they are even slightly out of position, these guys are squishy, slow and their skillshots are easily forced out, quite often they can even be towerdived if you have a lee sin or hecarim.

Then toplane is even with botlane in terms of being "easy", after all botlane spends a shitton of time sabotaging eachother´s wards to the point where neither side has any quite often-

Herald is insanely strong if used well, two towers down in 13 minutes with only one kill on some poor bloke is entirely possible.,....and in a matter of 2 minutes, then the enemy side basically loses control of the nearby jungle.

Too many picks......well yeah, juggernauts as a class with some individual differences basically have the same "weakness" of being utterly useless in lane against a handful of ranged champs that vary depending on juggernaut in question.

So you have like 10 ranged picks existing there just because of that, along with 10 divers, 3-4 skirmishers, the 10-ish juggernauts, 3-5 tanks,another like 10 unique picks like Singed, GP&gnar.

As long as your champ is good enough 1v1, isnt too damn useless early and isnt too easy to gank then they work there.

But who counters the melee who counters ranged? Other melee most of the time, thus creating a spiral that draws in more and more champs-

People tell me marksmen are privileged and stuck up fellows who complain about everything, but then i see posts like this from toplane and i start question reality.

Because i dont think i see anyone else ever complain so endlessly about the junglers, they are the ones who tend to rage the most when ganked and go on about some 1v1 thing and the ones who tilt the easiest if hit by more than 2 ganks.

Even the midlaners who get towerdived just go like "need help midlane", toplaners meanwhile? "R%%%%% jungler no ganks/help/countergank while im being camped".

The same toplaners who push like they´re giving birth most of the time, leaving them wide open, always leaves me speechless when i see a toplaner start raging at our jungler about not ganking when the guy dies under the enemy tower.

Botlane? The ones who get hit by 2 man roams the most out of anyone? They tend to just say "4 man botlane team afk?" but nothing more really.

Sucction1 votes

It's an extremely ugly and hard to manage change but...

Perhaps an aura around top that nerfs ranged champion stats for the first 10-15 minutes or so would be smart.

It's a very blanket solution that's sure to cause some problems, but it's better to solve those problems individually afterwards than to have this same issue for season upon season.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Or start kicking out a bunch of champs out of toplane so the lane can actually be balanced. Lane possesses the most amount of champs of any other role.

Sucction1 votes

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Or start kicking out a bunch of champs out of toplane so the lane can actually be balanced. Lane possesses the most amount of champs of any other role.

That's not something you can do without the band-aid fix I just mentioned. The champions can't be put into another role in a decent state without breaking them top.

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