Ivern Q has insane potential

l Helios l··2 votes·625 views

This is a root that let's allies dash to attack range. I'm pretty sure this is the only ability that does anything even remotely similar to this besides Kalista Ult or Ryze Ult or Kled ult or Tahm ult, all of which are highly telegraphed and ultimates. It's a basic ability that completely negates an inherent weakness in many champions.

Ex. Garen Darius Illaoi Skarner

These champions are restricted to engages that are typically reliant on summoner spells or the enemy team being strictly out of position. With Ivern, this is removed completely with the use of one Q and these champions are much more reliable. It makes it imperative for a carry to dodge his Q's. Illaoi and Darius, both team fight carries, now can get right into the backline and then flash if necessary to get onto the carries. This is such a godsend that it is scary.

Even other champions like MonkeyKing Amumu Galio JarvanIV Sejuani Olaf Chogath mega Gnar Kennen Malphite LeeSin RekSai Rammus Nautilus Leona Jax Alistar all have their engage made infinitely easier based on one skill shot. Several can cover the needed distance without using their gap closer (Wukong doesn't need to E, Amumu doesn't have to Q, J4 doesn't have to Flag n Drag, Sejuani doesn't need to Q) or they can cover a much larger distance than normal (this is especially true for Malphite) by combining it with their normal dashes, summoners, or ults.

Even raw damage dealers like MasterYi Riven Fizz Akali Fiora Kled Mordekaiser Diana Talon all now have a massive tool to get them closer to the backline.

Obviously there are composition issues where some champions like Amumu or Skarner being exclusively junglers and Ivern clearly being intended towards the jungle, but the League community is nothing if not creative and will likely find interesting combinations, even if they are only marginally successful.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying this ability is broken on day one. I'm just saying that Riot has created a way around weaknesses for certain champions in one skill, and it has the potential to make Ivern a highly contestable pick and a pick that would bring out other sleeper picks or really interesting wombos.

I listed 30 champions (I think) who could work insanely well with Ivern, and that's probably just scratching the surface. Idk about anyone else, but I'm excited to see what happens.

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Astôlfo1 votes

Not really. Ivern's Q doesn't go through targets and only hits the first target. It wouldn't be hitting the backline in the first place. The only thing it basically does now is make the team be able to engage frontlines faster.

l Helios l1 votes

But it still let's you get closer. Gap closing is still gap closing.

Astôlfo1 votes

Was just saying, because you mentioned getting into backline.

l Helios l1 votes

Allow me to clarify as I may have done that poorly: the ability let's you get to the back line in and of itself under the assumption you can land it on the carry. You can do this via a flank position or just finding a gap in the frontline, not to mention if the carry makes a positioning error.

If you can't find a flank, hitting the front line may be equally sufficient. Take someone like Wukong or Maokai or Fizz or Akali with point and click gap closers can auto to the front line then get to the back line with their gap closer + a flash if needed. This works to a lesser degree for champions like J4 who would need to either flash ult or flag n drag then ult, the latter offering time for a response. Other champions with unit ignoring dashes like Fiora, Riven, Kled, etc could just dash past the front line and potentially get to the back line since they would still have their dash. Champions like Leona and Nautilus now have a better way to get close enough to ult the back line and champions like Olaf and Kennen can get closer much faster.

That's all I way trying to say could happen. Obviously this is also dependent on the enemy team's reaction and skill as well, but potential still exists if the Ivern's team does well.

Big Lincoln1 votes

anyone with low mobility or combo CC benefits from Ivern being on their team; the pick potential is ridiculous, not to mention throwing people into melee range to basically guarantee follow-up CC.

i prefer playing poppy/nautilus jungle but i'd gladly go top instead if it meant he could set me up for a ton of free stuns, especially in teamfights

l Helios l1 votes

Nautilus ult effectively can have 400 more range or so if Ivern lands a decent root. Potential is huge.

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