Jhin's Humanity

l Helios l··94 votes·18,088 views

During the Q&A on Tuesday, WAAARGHbobo was answering a question explaining Illaoi's opinion of Jhin.

"She would not approve. For the same reasons she would be bothered by a compulsive gambler or alcoholic. He is doing the same thing over and over -- because he can't help himself. Hidden in Jhin's lines you can find the hints that he knows he's a monster and want's to stop...but can't."

This...is just awesome. My fear after seeing Jhin was that he would be a one-dimensional guy who just loves killing for the sake of some perverted passion, kind of like Shaco. But after paying due attention to his VO, I noticed a trend:

"I swear each performance is the last, but I lie every time." - he wants to stop, but he finds himself unable to break the cycle; he feels trapped "I am a slave to this passion." - captivity within killing; inability to escape "There is nothing for me but this." - futility in trying to do something else; again, captivity "My work asks questions, it never has answers." - futility in pursuing this passion; he will never get any answers by killing, and he knows this "I want to feel everything. The gun makes it so I do." - euphoria in killing; a desire to experience euphoria and happiness "It is only when the gun fires that I am alive." - euphoric emotions when killing; indicates this is the only place where he gets this "I envy silence... because I must be loud." - silence often means peace; Jhin can never have this because he feels forced to be loud, i.e. chaotic "Bliss comes only in the moment before I fire." - killing/his art is his only source of happiness "This... passion... compels me." - he feels forced to follow his passion; a lighter sense of enslavement

Jhin always seems to be trapped within his own passion for creating this art in killing. He's not in any way ignorant of it though, as WAAARGHbobo said. It's evident that Jhin feels alive (or enters a state akin to some type of extreme euphoria) when he is killing and equates it to artwork. Jhin finds his identity in this and thus feels trapped within it, compulsively following this passion because it's the only thing that gives him any sense of being alive. Jhin finds himself enslaved by his art and has been doing it for so long, he knows of no way to free himself from it; it's all he's known for so long. When someone lives in a cage for a long enough time, they can't leave even if they want to. This is Jhin's mentality. He know's what he does is wrong, that he should stop, and that he wants to stop, but he can't.

In this, we have a dynamic character who feels a sense of depression in that he can't escape his art, but at the same time it gives him enough satisfaction that he is able to lose touch with reality during his artwork. In the same manner as a drunkard who escapes the pains of his life through inebriation, Jhin escapes his feeling of captivity and the futility of his passion in the euphoria he gets from killing. This aspect of his character is so amazing and dynamic that it creates a fully rounded character that has multiple facets of personality, which is way cool for me. I personally love these types of characters who have a crazy side but still try to cling to humanity as much as possible.

Everyone has hardships in life, and everyone tries to escape them through something. Some have religion, some have alcohol, some have art, and some have murder.

And others have video games.

56 Comments

RiotWAAARGHbobo57 votes

ThanX!. And you're spot on. Champ team has been actively trying to make our characters have more depth. Still stylized and exaggerated enough to fit in our game... but with more layers to uncover as you play them or play against them. As guy who had struggled with the transition from TV, ( i.e. "How the F do I write characters for a moba?!!") this warms my heart. Your observation and appreciation of Jhin really made my day. Thanx!item 3070 item 3070

l Helios l5 votes

Anytime! :D you made my day with this compliment and just giving this level of depth to the character. I would certainly call Jhin a success in the lore aspect and personality aspect.

This level of depth is what gives characters a life of their own and causes them to really connect with their audience. Keep it up guys!

Civil Dawn2 votes

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ThanX!. And you're spot on. Champ team has been actively trying to make our characters have more depth. Still stylized and exaggerated enough to fit in our game... but with more layers to uncover as you play them or play against them. As guy who had struggled with the transition from TV, ( i.e. "How the F do I write characters for a moba?!!") this warms my heart. Your observation and appreciation of Jhin really made my day. Thanx!item 3070 item 3070

Yeah, when I first saw Jhin I wasn't sure if I liked him much (probably because he looks strange..what is that thing on his shoulder??), but once I started hearing his lines I really felt the trapped-ness and insanity he felt. It also made him become really terrifying to me. His voice actor also did a great job, because his voice is the only voice in LoL that actually comes off as scary to me. Most of them just sound mysterious... Shaco's lore is definitely spooky, but his voice is more comical (which does make since since he is a demon JESTER). :)

The first thing I noticed in my first game against Jhin was his voice and then his movements. Really sparked my understanding of him. This is clearly a result of good communication between art/lore/animation teams, probably.

Brenticus121 votes

The most chilling piece of voice over is when he hums at the beginning of the game.

It makes my skin crawl.

Civil Dawn1 votes

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The most chilling piece of voice over is when he hums at the beginning of the game.

It makes my skin crawl.

Yeah, chilling is a great word to describe it haha

Melledoneus22 votes

Man, I can't wait to see how deep you guys make Rammus.

inb4 "All these years, you never realized that he always said 'ok,' not because he doesn't want to speak, but because after all the tragedy he has witnessed, it's a verbal reminder to himself to keep moving on."

rtbf2256182411 votes

Maybe Rammus was a boxer and the word "Ok" comes from K.O.

Mind = blown.

Melledoneus1 votes

Maybe he was just singing a song to himself...

But he replaces all the lyrics with "ok."

Sahn Uzal1 votes

As strange as it may sound, when I actually realised the amount of depth in his character.... I'm even more hyped for Yorick. For his gameplay, for the way he will look, but also for his backstory and character.

Anyhow, now that I'm posting something anyway, Amazing job on Jhin! I'm not much of a marksman player myself, but just reading all the posts like this... God you have created an awesome character summoner 31

PS I just realised my english might not be 100% on point. My apologies, it's 10:00 in the morning here T_T

A Superb Villain22 votes

I feel it is important to note Jhin does not want to stop out of any moral objections, he very much believes there is nothing wrong with his work. Maybe he is interested in pursuing a less volatile form of art, or simply tired of doing the same thing over and over, but I sincerely doubt he wishes to stop because killing is socially unacceptable.

Jhin is insane, at least from the perspective of the general population, and it manifests most clearly in his lack of empathy. He feels nothing for others outside of how he can use them to create art. WAAARGHbobo noted that Jhin is "kill-sexual" or "gun-sexual" implying his only interest rests with his work, which in turn provides evidence of an asocial or anti-social attitude.

He may be human, but any humanity Jhin might retain is nearly incompatible with our own conception of the concept; less than a man, more than a monster.

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Everyone has hardships in life, and everyone tries to escape them through something. Some have religion, some have alcohol, some have art, and some have murder.

And others have video games.

¬_¬

What you did there; I see it.

l Helios l6 votes

Hey man. We all have to be honest with ourselves :P

True enough though. I'm always the hopeful that maybe there's more to someone than the monster demonstrated. I'm probably wrong for that level of hope but idk.

I do agree it's probably more out of feeling stuck in a routine rather than some moral obligation to his fellow man. Imo, he's trapped in his perversions and likely is unable to escape, even if he wants to change his lot in life.

A Superb Villain5 votes

It certainly enhances his character.

Ethereal3111 votes

Question. What else is there to Jhin's character beyond being a meta-wary psychopath with guns?

A Superb Villain2 votes

Fabulous primadonna.

hi im alphonse2 votes

"I never hurt anyone, it's the performance that kills"

Yeah I dont think Jhin thinks killing is wrong, or that he himself is in the wrong

Cosnirak2 votes

I'm not so sure he doesn't morally object to his own actions. Jhin is an addict. The part of your brain that lets you decide "hey killing people is bad, I shouldn't do that" is a different part than the part that gets addicted and tells you "you MUST kill people artistically to survive."

My guess is that he sees at least some of the wrongness in killing people but also copes with his addiction partly by justifying at least some of the killing. He doesn't necessarily want to like killing, but he does like it.

Grashnim12 votes

Jhin has no humanity, I see him in ranked, watch him get destroyed, he never apologizes for being unprepared.

l Helios l5 votes

Lol sensible to say the least. He just wants to be loved by his audience. He may have an inferiority complex where he seeks adoration from others to compensate for his feelings of inadequacy.

Kusa Ryo10 votes

Whenever I play Urgot I feel the same way but in the sense that Urgot just wants to die. "Eternal Life...Eternal Torture." "Death Is The Only Escape." "Endless Misery." "Existence is Torment." "Cannot...Rest..." Yet he hides this Under The Flabs Of Meat He Gets After Skinning The Corpses Of The Champions He Kills under his jerky "Revenge" attitude. "I detect the prescence of scum." I guess there's a reason why Urgot builds Tear first. Urgot item 3070

CarameI Frappe6 votes

Now that I think about it ... when you kill Jihn, he'll hold his face while laughing hysterically.

I used to think that was just him being psychotic because he's a serial killer so it made sense, but now it makes me think he's losing it with depression finally flourishing, that he died as a broken man and couldn't escape his fate, so he's laughing it off while his life slips away. Makes his death all the more dramatic now ... :(

l Helios l4 votes

Exactly. He knows that it was eventual. All he can do is laugh that he knew it, but couldn't stop it. Futility in life means futility in death.

Lumen Sage6 votes

One of my favorite little aspects about Jhin is that I noticed that at the start of a match, like when in fountain or on the way to lane he can at times be heard breathing quite heavily. I was not sure why, until he references that fact that he has stage fright. He is trying to deal with his nerves at the start of each match :)

Brenticus121 votes

He also hums in that chilling voice of his. It's beautiful.

Civil Dawn5 votes

This is some Criminal Minds shit going down.

l Helios l2 votes

But it's awesome right? :D

Civil Dawn4 votes

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But it's awesome right? :D

Criminal Minds is my favorite TV show...so my answer is a big YES.

I really dislike one-dimensional characters.... Characters where they're just pure evil for the sake of being pure evil. Jhin does a great job of avoiding that, in my opinion.

I think one of my favorite archetypes of characters is one where the person is good natured, but circumstances have forced their hand against their nature, and they feel remorse and regret over it. Some examples of those would be Hotchner from Criminal Minds, ASGORE from Undertale, Sans from Undertale, and many other characters.

I mean, just listening to Asgore's theme, you can hear the regret and sorrow in it, especially the solmn-ness in the Bergentrückung beginning.. It's upbeat because it's a boss battle, yet the entire time you feel his pain. His kingdom/race lost their home and were plunged into the Underground because of humans. He lost two children in one night, because of humans yet again. He feels pressured to save the monsters from the Underground, so he declares any human who comes into the Underground will be killed to collect souls in order to free the monsters. His wife leaves him because she's disgusted by his choice of declaring that... and then you come along... Innocent, trying to do the right thing, sparking the good nature we know he has.. He doesn't want to kill you... But he has to. Eventually he can't do it anymore. He's quick to help you, offering you a home and family. And before you fight him, he even feels the need to offer you a cup of tea. Indicating that he's actually a really nice guy. Some of the fan remixes of ASGORE really show through what I mean.

Another archetype I like is the determined one, where they feel the undying need to put others' needs before their own, even when it ultimately hurts them. Some examples of this would be Braum Soraka, Toriel from Undertale, Undyne from Undertale definitely, maybe Ashe, etc. I like that one a lot because I know people just like that in real life.

A third archetype I like is one where the character tries to generally do good, but is naive or young, and sometimes makes mistakes or maybe APPEARS to be naive but is really quite capable... Examples of that would be Spencer Reid from Criminal Minds, Alphys from Undertale, or Nami (her lore says many doubted her).

I know I wrote a lot but I just really love in-depth character writing, where the writer really thought about what made that character special, how they would react to things, what makes them tick, what happened to them that made them the way they are, etc... rather than a basic character. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ADepressedLeona1 votes

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Criminal Minds is my favorite TV show...so my answer is a big YES.

I really dislike one-dimensional characters.... Characters where they're just pure evil for the sake of being pure evil or saints that never do harm. I think one of my favorite archetypes of characters is one where the person is good natured, but circumstances have forced their hand against their nature, and they feel remorse and regret over it. Some examples of those would be Hotchner from Criminal Minds, ASGORE from Undertale, Sans from Undertale, and many other characters. I mean, just listening to Asgore's theme, you can hear the regret and sorrow in it. It's upbeat because it's a boss battle, yet the entire time you feel his pain. His kingdom/race lost their home and were plunged into the Underground because of humans. He lost two children in one night, because of humans yet again. He feels pressured to save the monsters from the Underground, so he declares any human who comes into the Underground will be killed to collect souls in order to free the monsters. His wife leaves him because she's disgusted by his choice of declaring that... and then you come along... Innocent, trying to do the right thing, sparking the good nature we know he has.. He doesn't want to kill you... But he has to. Eventually he can't do it anymore. He's quick to help you, offering you a home and family. And before you fight him, he even feels the need to offer you a cup of tea. Indicating that he's actually a really nice guy.

Another archetype I like is the determined one, where they feel the undying need to put others' needs before their own, even when it ultimately hurts them. Some examples of this would be Braum Soraka, Toriel from Undertale, Undyne from Undertale definitely, maybe Ashe, etc. I like that one a lot because I know people just like that in real life.

A third archetype I like is one where the character tries to generally do good, but is naive or young, and sometimes makes mistakes or maybe APPEARS to be naive but is really quite capable... Examples of that would be Spencer Reid from Criminal Minds, Alphys from Undertale, or Nami (her lore says many doubted her).

I know I wrote a lot but I just really love in-depth character writing, where the writer really thought about what made that character special, how they would react to things, what makes them tick, what happened to them that made them the way they are, etc... rather than a basic character. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

OwO

Civil Dawn1 votes

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OwO

Nice name!

Brenticus121 votes

I think this is also the reason why Walter White is considered to be one of the best characters (Along with the show) in recent times.

Civil Dawn1 votes

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I think this is also the reason why Walter White is considered to be one of the best characters (Along with the show) in recent times.

Yeah, agreed.

Evewynn4 votes

Very well put. Perhaps so, his mask may be a symbol of his personality being consumed by the art of killing, making the man he once was completely covered by his volatile passion.

l Helios l2 votes

"Art is slavery." - I don't remember the guy who said that.

ADepressedLeona4 votes

Riot is really putting work into their characters. Kindred, Jhin, Illaoi, Kench, reoworked Poppy, all of them were very well designed (thematically) and all of them have distinct personalities that really set them apart.

Also idk who guys got to do Jhin's voice, but spot on. His voice is amazing.

Also kudos to you Riot <3

Lithium Rosa3 votes

I would put his lore as my second favorite after Lux.

Brenticus122 votes

I was thinking of this while I was playing Jhin and caught him saying

"I swear each performance is the last, but I lie every time."

"I am a slave to this passion."

and

"My work asks questions, it never has answers." (Which I feel is one of the best lines in his VO in terms of introspective ideas. What he does, makes him questions why he does it, but he can never find a reason, he just does it).

This champion is beautiful

LilxPaprika2 votes

relevant on humanity: http://imgur.com/bIBsFyg watch them squirm

Dusty D1 votes

Can't wait till I got 6300IP*[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]*

Choaru1 votes

I JUST WANT TO GIVE JHIN A HUG NOW Q_Q [zombie-nunu-tears]

Choaru1 votes

Also it did state in his lore that while in jail he was a shy and polite man ;P

Zerana1 votes

I wonder if the VU team will incorporate a similar concept in Vladimirs rework and/or VU (I think his kit does not need to change much, similar to my opinions of Galio, but whatever happens, happens) as Vladimir did not wish to kill innocent people as a young man and was no doubt selective about who he practiced blood magic on, but also has a compulsion to kill.

KING OF MASKS1 votes

Maybe it's just me, but Jhin kind of runs the risk of coming across as a relatively generic instance of the "I'm being controlled by my magically mystically malicious artifact" trope (in this case, the mask). Not that there's anything wrong with that, but combined with the equally tired "psycho artist" theme, I personally find him not particularly interesting.

But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

PalPlays1 votes

Your name fits the comment.

I personally don't find ANYTHING common about that trope, in fact, it's pretty rare.

KING OF MASKS1 votes

I am very discerning when it comes to masked characters. :^)

But in all serousness, you're right; I suppose it's not that it's common, there's just very little variation. Just comes down to: "Ohhh, so the artifact/mask is the character, not the person. Okay." I think it's hard to make that possibility seem super duper interesting when it's simply a transferal of the character from a being to an object... again, just my opinion of course.

There's also the fact that all of this is just speculation, there could very well be nothing magical or mystical about the mask, and I'm on the completely wrong track. But I doubt rito will confirm one way or the other; more interesting to leave it as a mystery.

Courier Eight1 votes

He's not being controlled by the mask; he created it himself according to the Riot Q&A. He's actually a talented artificer, and enchanted both his mask and his bullets personally.

Just another aspect of the performance he's compelled to tune to perfection.

KING OF MASKS1 votes

Ah, thank you for clarifying; I only skimmed the Q&A so I must've missed that confirmation.

Dengeden1 votes

It's an interesting way to look at the character. He's apparently quite intelligent and polite even when he can't kill as we heard from his captors in Ionia. And yet he still doesn't feel complete unless he stages his horrible performances. This kind of disparity in character is something you often hear about people with unhealthy obsessions.

If he didn't kill people, he would be really likable.

Mhihnj1 votes

looks like he is an addict

Mhihnj1 votes

he is an addict song while playing jhin- Hotel california

DragonShea1 votes

Jhin's slight remorse is self-serving but at the same time. elects some sympathy, I do actually feel a little sorry for Jhin being so addicted to his passion. Hell it's to the point where Illaoi is like " whoa whoa chill out and use your passion for something better" that is saying something about Jhin.

Kuzja11 votes

Yasuo "You can't run from yourself. . . I've tried. . ."

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