Vayne Is Completely Balanced
lol just kidding
lol just kidding
I can't wait for the meta to shift so that all the Vayne bitching can stop. It happened with Cho'gath and it will happen again.
It already did if you havent noticed, the tank meta is over, yet vayne the tank killer is more popular in this meta than tank one. Strange how a tank killer is better in a non-tank meta than tank one, huh?
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It already did if you havent noticed, the tank meta is over, yet vayne the tank killer is more popular in this meta than tank one. Strange how a tank killer is better in a non-tank meta than tank one, huh?
not sure why downvoted. every tanks died if we're talking about bruisers it's not the same thing
For a while I was afraid they'd nerf my sexy dinosaur just because gameplay & bronze couldn't dodge the skill with a solid 1.5 sec delay.
Just dodge his point and click 1k+ true damage nuke too.
Did you get hit by a melee ability on an immobile champion with dodgeable CC?, you deserve the nuke, kinda how like people who can't be bothered to move deserve the insane Morde 3-hit combo.
But no, it's okay, kiting, as well as dodging delayed skills is well beyond the capabilities of Gameplay&Bronze, let's nerf Cho instead, and Anivia since her stun is insane and deals too much damage with literally no counterplay. Oh we should nerf Mundo because ADCs die super quickly if they try to fight him in melee range. And since we're at it, we don't we nerf Heimer?, people keep dying when they walk into his turrets and it's unfair.
So a tank can have high damage, high ranged, AoE CC because they have very small delays on them?
Cho'gath lacks mobility, but his skillshots aren't difficult to hit by any means. Kiting him helps but he also can Silence you very easily, preventing something like a dash and he still does have a point and click true damage nuke.(unless you're the other cancer, Kalista).
People will always complain about Cho'gath because his only real fall off is no mobility. He has sustain, tankiness, CC, damage, he can blow up squishy carries and he doesn't really struggle against tanks. He can go full AP but still be fairly tanky due to his base stats and ultimate, or he can go full tank and still blow up your carry in the press of a button. It's like saying to kite him is your only option to not die instantly, but at the same time he has 3 forms of high ranged AoE CC.
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Just dodge his point and click 1k+ true damage nuke too.
cho gat is slow, has no gap closer, has no telegraphed cc which allow him to come to you. Cho is also squishy if builds 600 AP (what he needsto do 1k true damage)
i call that balanced
Chicks dig Vayne mains.
consider gitting gut before you complain about getting outplayed
vaynes fine get good at the game
So what's unbalanced about her? She is ranked 2nd on average games played, yet is only 5th for winrate with a tick over 50%.
So what's unbalanced about her? She is ranked 2nd on average games played, yet is only 5th for winrate with a tick over 50%.
Nothing.
just happens to be an answer to the current meta . A couple of patches ago, everyone including pros were saying how much of a worthless pick she was.
Oh oh oh....so we have another 13 year old girl here circle jerking for upvotes like it's instagram? Got it.
In case you havent noticed, the tank meta is over, yet vayne is more popular in this meta than the tank meta despite her being a tank killer.
A tank killer is better in other metas than tank metas....
Food for thought.
Same goes for
who was at his weakest during the tank meta despite being the premier tank shredder of the game, perhaps the meta isn't so clear cut and the different ADC roles in the meta can move depending on MANY factors.
A tank meta is a teamfight/engage meta.
The way to beat Vayne is to lock her up at the start of the teamfight, something that tanks are good at.
Teamfights do not suit Vayne overall. She has to switch targets more often.
Vayne actually shines in the bruiser meta. High health targets that she can more easily kite are food for Vayne. Oh look, juggernauts!
Nothing.
just happens to be an answer to the current meta . A couple of patches ago, everyone including pros were saying how much of a worthless pick she was.
You can build against ALL adc's, but you can't build against Vayne.
Omg 2 itums with addack sped slow? W0w b0ss I have eh, cancer. I mean it's not like Vayne already builds a fuck ton of attack speed.
She has the highest play rate in the game and an above average win rate on a difficult to play champion. She pretty much has no fall offs besides being squishy, but then again she's also extremely mobile and has a lot of self peel anyways, and she's impossible to itemize against and itemizing against her (by using Health) technically just makes her do more damage.
She also has one of the highest average games played, think 2nd. A champ that has a very high average games played should have a high win rate, obviously. Also, frozen heart is a pretty big counter to her. She also has to get close to attack, so just jump on her with champs like xin. She is also easy to shit on early :) you're welcome.
Pretty sure people play her a lot because she's extremely strong with no real fall offs for an ADC. Her biggest counter, Caitlyn, has only one or two strengths (her range and self peel) but she also has a lot of fall offs like no auto attack steroids, trashy mid - late game, and delays on her abilities.
Not sure what you're talking about Frozen Heart countering her. It's the ONLY counter she has and even then it does virtually nothing, -15% attack speed won't stop a Vayne from outputting 1,000+ true damage.
She doesn't have to get close to attack, she has standard ADC range and on top of that she has a tumble on a 2 second cooldown WITHOUT any CDR (you don't want to see 40% CDR Vayne, ever), a Knockback/Stun, and invisibility on a 2 second cooldown potentially.
Right now with pretty much all of Vayne's counters being nerfed (Miss Fortune, Caitlyn, Graves being nerfed a long time ago) and buffs to BoRK constantly, she's become a pretty strong early game ADC. She's one of the most safe ADCs, her stun lets her punish people with a free kill, and her damage isn't bad at all.
add Attack damage scaling to her w and cooldown like ekko's passive. 3 hits and u have few seconds cd on same target= balanced
ooh, i was almost missing these Vayne bashing posts. almost.
I think its not Vayne is overpowered, its that her counters arent strong enough or counter her enough for her to care. She's indirectly powerful.
tis true. her weakness is cc. tanks, while they have alot of health, also have a lot of cc. Bruisers on the other hand only have alot of health and can be easily kited. The solution bring sivir into your game vs vayne. Now watch her fail to kite.
vayne is balanced. she gets a power spike at botrk...so what....get over it. other adc get a bigger power spike at ie/pd.
Vayne is just indirectly powerful because every other Adc got nerfed. I would rather see Lucian, Miss fortune, Twitch, etc buffed to also be decent picks.
so earlier i was in a game I was cait and other adc was vayne. it was rather late game vayne and i both had spent id say 12k on items. i was pushing bot while the rest of my team was fighting around baron or something. Vayne came solo to stop me. vayne of course is apparently the god of dueling and 'scales' so much better than cait late game if the forums are to be believed. so i figured this would be interesting to see how it turns out...so we had an adc shootout. can you guess how it turned out?
I have never had trouble against a Vayne, nor do I find them especially easy to stomp.
Isn't that the definition of balanced?