Can we get a Zyra update instead of a New Champion?

tieger05··5 votes·613 views

For the next Champion Release, can we get a Zyra update instead, to make her viable mid again? It seems like the perfect time to do it, now that champions like Xin, Urgot, WW and Evelynn all got their reworks.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I used to adore playing Zyra Mid. I miss it so much & I wouldn't mind if we got a Zyra Mid Update next instead of a New Champ Release.

Zyra

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The Last Ballad2 votes

As much as it is a travesty that a mage has once again been regulated to support, Zyra isn't anywhere near other champs that need to be reworked.

Her theme is fine. Lore could be updated, but that has nothing to do with gameplay. And a evil plant that takes over an area ("THIS LAND IS MINE!" - Zyra) via spreading her babies about and punishes all who encroach on it what you would expect from an sentient, carnivorus plant(also Poison Ivy anyone? http://grabilla.com/07a04-7ca5ad8c-3c4f-4101-85b1-d8654cf8c05e.html http://grabilla.com/07a04-5e75dbd6-919f-4647-83bf-3d799eb3d62a.html

Her kit mechanics are fine. Her seed spawning passive could use a tweak(like having that random seed spawning an entire screen away fixed would be nice), but it helps her set up her area of control. And everything else(but the shape of q) is exactly the same as when she was viable mid.

So what changed? Her damage and scaling. Buff the ap scalings on her skills(plants especially), and trim down the base of her plants and maybe her e, and she would be heavily incentivized to go mid.

Khristophoros2 votes

update team and new champion designers are different people. we can have both.

Officer Zyra 1 votes

she isn't viable mid? [sg-lux-2]

Geauxx1 votes

No she's not anywhere above bronze/silver.

Having some of the lowest base def/hp gets her punished.

The Last Ballad1 votes

http://www.lolking.net/guides/314140

Melyn, widely regarded(and by that I mean I have never heard anyone else even suggested, even on the Zyra Reddit) to be the best Zyra one trick, begs to differ. And look, he's above silver! And regularly plays her jungle too!

It almost like she is viable, if you actually work at it.

Geauxx1 votes

Using a one trick pony as an example is flawed.

That would be the same as pre-rework urgot being viable as adc, while you know it's not.

Just because ONE person who plays nothing but that champion to the point of perfection does not make a champion viable. That just means one person plays her enough to the point he got her to work.

The Last Ballad1 votes

That would be the same as pre-rework urgot being viable as adc, while you know it's not.

I don't know, he was a pretty good pick against an Ezreal, specially when picked with a Soraka(that lane was horrible for the other team).

Chortle1 votes

If you look at his average CS on her from season 6 compared to season 7, you'll notice the drastic decrease in S7 meaning drastic decrease in Zyra mid play.

Zyra has been shoved so hard into the support role by Riot that even Zyra mains (me being one of them) that used to love playing her mid and jung are realizing she's just purely better at support right now and it's not worth fighting against it.

hater free zone1 votes

I've been thinking about how they could make Zyra more relevant, but I think she's kind of tricky to balance. I think at most, maybe let her hold one more seed in her W, but even then idk.

She has INCREDIBLE burst dmg, and it's kind of a bit of a luck of the draw to when and where her seeds spawn. I think giving her too much consistency with her seed management will make her too oppressive, but at the same time all of her dmg mostly relies on her seeds.

Silven1 votes

Champ Update team works separately to Champ Creation team so really both are happening at the same time if ever. Plus I don't think she's in such a bad spot. Sure, it hurts to see a generally mid-heavy mage going support but it's bound to happen (Like Brand). It's just a bit of an irk thematically to me because she's an evil plant lady, difficult to see her babysitting an adc.

The Last Ballad1 votes

She doesn't babysit, she goes bot because there are more kills avalible silly!

x Royal Solo x1 votes

Not before Aatrox

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