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It’s not rewarding playing many immobile mages/ADCs

xJLx MCHammer·6/14/2018, 7:42:21 PM·61 votes·16,071 views

Riot!

You continue to grant mobile champions all the tools they require to succeed in destroy immobile champions.

You are neglecting a lot of immobile champions. Try playing a game using a Vel Koz mid laner. This isn’t exclusive to just Vel koz, many immobile champions are in horrible state right now. You can mostly see this with Mages and some ADC champions as well

It’s neither fun, nor rewarding. No! VelKoz’s damage is not much higher due to his immobility. Does he has true damage? Yes, but true damage is also freely given now.

Have you guys tried playing Ashe in this meta? It’s not fun! Have you tried playing a Karthus ?

You can’t keep doing this to immobile champions. This isn’t a meta thing! They are just weak in general. Why is Leblanc considered harder to play in mid laner than Vel Koz, Zigs..etc.

They are becoming more and more unreliable because you constantly decrease their damage and cools down. Yet you continue to increase or give more mobility to new champions. You’re forcing these immobile champions to constantly land abilities to have a chance.

Start buffing or reworking some of these champions because they aren’t worth playing now in a game where Irelia, LB, Camille, Yi, and Lucian, J4..etc are not only extremely viable but overbearing

You can’t lane against these champions or be in a game with them. Why does it feel like your thrown at the end of one spectrum of viability when picking some of these immobile champion. Picking a Vel Koz is basically telling players, I need to play like a ^***^ and 2 screens away.

74 Comments

xJLx MCHammer6/14/2018, 8:10:35 PM30 votes

It’s not even about statistics

It’s about how it feels to play a champion

I want to play a long range AP champion. Yet, there Riot is perfectly fine giving too many champions insane gab closers. Why is a Camille able to dash nearly a full screen away, while still getting another gab closer from an ultimate you can’t walk away form

Why give irelia gab closer easy access? Her Q can pretty much auto kill most caster minion. She doesn’t even have to wait for an opportunity. She can easily engage

Why give them free true damage

Playing Vel a Koz (I’m just picking Vel Koz but there are many others) does not feel either rewarding nor fun. Players are forced to play so scared that they have to hug the turret. And it gets even more frustrating knowing that those champions with hug mobility can tank turret shots with impunity.

It’s ridiculous

I’m on the verge of quitting

It’s always the minority that gets screwed. I know Yasuo, Camille, and Yi, Lucian..etc are fun to play. Riot basically gave them all the tools to succeed. They are self reliant

It’s a joke

Jofeyy6/15/2018, 12:32:19 AM16 votes

I feel like immobile champions should have more overall movespeed than their dashing counterparts

xJLx MCHammer6/14/2018, 10:07:36 PM12 votes

This is the issue

If you're losing a lane to an immobile champ, like Vel Koz, you're experiencing a champion that does more damage. Because a Vel koz is ahead, he will likely be able to spam more spells and get closer to minions. At best, a plyer can try and flash to get some highly probable QWE+R combo.

What happens when a mobile champion get ahead, you have to be REALLY scare. Look at this video. https://youtu.be/dROHf7qS9xE

At what point is it fair? If flash is up, a Camille can literally engage you at the middle of the lane (in this game top) from behind her turret. Yes, this is an extreme case but it high lights an issue.

Netorare6/14/2018, 11:48:23 PM10 votes

It's funny how assassins are suppossed to be risky but well too bad they are way too mobile(except for some assassins that go in and the chances for them to die is like 70%). Most of assassins are not even build with a counterplay in mind...

Zeromatsu6/15/2018, 11:26:54 AM7 votes

A big part of this issue isn't even about gap closers... Did you notice that every mage has shitty base movement speed? I mean adcs have bad movement speed too, but half their items give movement speed.

And then you have all these melee champs with 340+ movement speed which outrun you even tho you have invested 300g in boots and they didn't. Worst of all is that they build items that give them Movement speed too, like phage or youmus. AND these kind of champions have dashes on top of that!

Like wth has Jax 350 movement speed when his core item is Triforce and his Q has like 3 seconds cooldown.

When Riot nerfed the movement speed on Ludens Echo I knew I would have a hard time keeping up. It's impossible to play an immobile mage with all that mobility in the game if your base stats are shit and the items don't help either.

Vanic9986/14/2018, 8:01:54 PM4 votes

Vel'Koz does need a buff right now. He's weak statistically.

Saibbo6/14/2018, 8:40:27 PM3 votes

Does he has true damage? Yes, but true damage is also freely given now.

Can't wait until they make another sorcery rune or item that gives AP champ true dmg too lmao

SociopathFriend6/15/2018, 6:52:56 PM2 votes

I mean, I definitely enjoy playing Ashe still, her not having a bunch of flashy moves and no mobility doesn't bother me at all.

DrCyanide6/15/2018, 8:10:31 AM2 votes

Yeah, had to give up Xerath. More frustration to keep playing him at this point than to move on to something mobile. Most of my champion pool isn't very mobile though, so I've got to get new champs... At least Pyke is fun.

Kídá6/15/2018, 1:02:00 PM2 votes

My favorite part is when they made celerity grant less MS but more AP/AD because of course immobile mages took it for more AP...

EmpressOfBeauty6/15/2018, 3:08:02 PM2 votes

As much as I love LeBlanc as an assassin I admit fighting her is definitely a challenge. And she is pretty easy to play considering the difficulty they gave her.

Frog goes moo6/15/2018, 2:23:23 PM1 votes

Taliyah is considered an "immobile mage" but she's currently number 1 jungler XD.

Sleepcoma6/15/2018, 5:06:23 AM1 votes

Not sure where this is coming from, Zoe is probably the best mid laner in the game right now and is pretty immobile, she only has a ms buff on her w

Lux Is Mai Waifu6/15/2018, 12:25:05 PM1 votes

karthus is a pro pick

DW Diana6/15/2018, 6:20:33 PM1 votes

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Riot!

You continue to grant mobile champions all the tools they require to succeed in destroy immobile champions.

You are neglecting a lot of immobile champions. Try playing a game using a Vel Koz mid laner. This isn’t exclusive to just Vel koz, many immobile champions are in horrible state right now. You can mostly see this with Mages and some ADC champions as well

It’s neither fun, nor rewarding. No! VelKoz’s damage is not much higher due to his immobility. Does he has true damage? Yes, but true damage is also freely given now.

Have you guys tried playing Ashe in this meta? It’s not fun! Have you tried playing a Karthus ?

You can’t keep doing this to immobile champions. This isn’t a meta thing! They are just weak in general. Why is Leblanc considered harder to play in mid laner than Vel Koz, Zigs..etc.

They are becoming more and more unreliable because you constantly decrease their damage and cools down. Yet you continue to increase or give more mobility to new champions. You’re forcing these immobile champions to constantly land abilities to have a chance.

Start buffing or reworking some of these champions because they aren’t worth playing now in a game where Irelia, LB, Camille, Yi, and Lucian, J4..etc are not only extremely viable but overbearing

You can’t lane against these champions or be in a game with them. Why does it feel like your thrown at the end of one spectrum of viability when picking some of these immobile champion. Picking a Vel Koz is basically telling players, I need to play like a ^***^ and 2 screens away.

Mobile champions used to have counters like Malzahar. They dicked him so much he does fuck all now so his counters are no longer viable.

If you want to see these hypermobile hyper carries stop being played and winning almost every position then riot need to concentrate on their counters (malzahar, Lissandra etc).

Once they do this your vel koz can go back to countering malz again xD