Why was galio nerfed? lol

LL Justice·Nov 7, 2018·52 votes·15,732 views

while aftershock liss who does galio job but better is getting a 500 base damage passive lol

urgot is emmhh.... untouched??

wtf is going on riot games we good ??

47 Comments

VuxemNov 7, 201836 votes

One of them lcs nerfs.

Meanwhile Urgot, Leblanc, Brand, Irelia, Akali, Graves, etc remain untouched.

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Z3SleeperNov 7, 20183 votes

Is Brand going crazy right now? I haven't been seeing any shenanigans from him.

BoilTheOilNov 7, 20182 votes

no he needs adjustments though to his base damage and ap scalings

Spank the FoxNov 7, 20185 votes

Are we really still complaining about Brand lol?

Support 4 LyfeNov 7, 20182 votes

Brand is shit and is unbelievably permeable to all ins, just take Leona into him and stop complaining ffs.

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

as he corrodes your max hp with high base damage in lane and decently high (not top tier but still high) scaling later.

MrEatButtAssPissNov 8, 20182 votes

Brand can solo kill anyone at any point because he's literally a giant stat-check stick, while having absurd low mana costs, scales incredibly well, wins teamfights by pressing R, literally only loses to assassins and bad positioning.

Fnatic ComeShotNov 7, 201813 votes

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CertainlyT you are right about this adn I agree with that.

Al HavocNov 7, 20181 votes

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One of them lcs nerfs.

Meanwhile Urgot, Leblanc, Brand, Irelia, Akali, Graves, etc remain untouched.

Seriously need to start firing retards who are working for riot games.

leblanc, irelia and akali all got nerfed or have nerfs on the pbe, the irelia one sucked but cant just say they are untouched when they were/are going to be

ModJikkerNov 8, 20181 votes

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One of them lcs nerfs.

Meanwhile Urgot, Leblanc, Brand, Irelia, Akali, Graves, etc remain untouched.

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ProffessorAutismNov 7, 201822 votes

assasins had a hard time deleting him wich means no sik plais and that those failed football comentators cant scream TONS OF DAMAGE so he had to be nerfed,since you know "tanks" that live more than 3 seconds are unbalanced but deleting someone in 1 hit and getting away with your -1 picosecond dash that resets on breathing is somehow fair and fun for all and requires skyll

FNC 6ixGODNov 7, 20181 votes

FNC 6ixGODNov 7, 201811 votes

[{quoted}] and getting away with your -1 picosecond dash that resets on breathing

Lmfao

ShroomMasterNov 7, 201814 votes

I stopped having faith in Riot a while ago, at this point there is nothing you can do but suck it up and deal with their shit decisions.

Nea104Nov 7, 20182 votes

Or play something else, and probably funnier :P

SwiftKitten88Nov 7, 20185 votes

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I stopped having faith in Riot a while ago, at this point there is nothing you can do but suck it up and deal with their shit decisions.

like around season 5... XD

Moody PNov 7, 201813 votes

because galio is one of the worst designs riot's ever put into the game

The Spicy CritNov 7, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7subHfes,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-07T10:02:40.373+0000)

because galio is one of the worst designs riot's ever put into the game

What about the game itself? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD i'd prefer playing 100000 hours of solitaire rather than league of legends

ThefrostyvikingNov 7, 20186 votes

The heck are you even here for then?

The Spicy CritNov 7, 20183 votes

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The heck are you even here for then?

DirectX 10 gpu.... old one died so im forced to play this rubbish of the game xD

ThefrostyvikingNov 7, 20188 votes

Why not go play Solitaire if you think league is such a piece of trash? x)

The Spicy CritNov 7, 20181 votes

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Why not go play Solitaire if you think league is such a piece of trash? x)

I actually am playing solitaire xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD having more fun than in league to be honest

ThefrostyvikingNov 7, 20181 votes

And yet you are sitting on the league boards complaining about the game while claiming to find solitaire to be more fun.

Like is there any point, at all? I think to most people you are giving out the impression of being bored out of your mind......possibly addicted to league?

The Spicy CritNov 7, 20181 votes

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And yet you are sitting on the league boards complaining about the game while claiming to find solitaire to be more fun.

Like is there any point, at all? I think to most people you are giving out the impression of being bored out of your mind......possibly addicted to league?

Believe me, if i was addicted to this kinda game, id be addicted to HotS. Even dota 2. Just play any other moba than league and youll see how much it sucks and how behind it is.

ThefrostyvikingNov 7, 20181 votes

I have played HOTs and tried smite briefly, my conclusion was that they are different games with their own pro´s and cons.

Actually dota and HOTs are kinda on opposite ends on the spectrum of variance so i am surprised you like both.

However that only begs the question,.,,,,,,,why do you even bother sitting on the boards if you could do something else if you dislike the game so?

DracocrashNov 7, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7subHfes,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-07T10:02:40.373+0000)

because galio is one of the worst designs riot's ever put into the game

in what regard?

CaveslothNov 7, 20181 votes

He's not fun, his skill floor is too high for those who used to main him, and those can deal with the higher skill floor don't because he's not fun. So fuck the rework. Fire those guys, and replace them with someone who has something going on above the neck.

DracocrashNov 7, 20184 votes

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He's not fun, his skill floor is too high for those who used to main him, and those can deal with the higher skill floor don't because he's not fun. So fuck the rework. Fire those guys, and replace them with someone who has something going on above the neck.

Saying he's not fun is a pretty subjective statement. I personally find him fun, isn't this subject to opinion?

A high skillfoor isn't necessarily bad design, I think.

But honestly, I miss the old galio, I miss his old ult, but that doesn't take away from the new galio for me, personally.

CaveslothNov 7, 20181 votes

No its not, if you are designing a NEW champ. But if you are redesigning an old one, it's a straight up dick move.

Its not fun if you cannot win the with champ. I CANNOT win with new Galio. I could almost always win with old Galio (mainly because NOBODY in my elo know who he was or what he did, let alone how how play against him and win), and though you can have fun when losing (though its damn near impossible in this meta) and vice versa, neither of those are the case for me with new Galio.

His playstyle changed completely. You'd poke your q and e (i think e, it's been a long damn time) shield the inevitable retaliation and rinse and repeat till you were ready to all in possibly with a flash ult, slow and strategic. He was a tanky poke mage. Now hes more like a bruiser, you go in, mash buttons like you're playing street fighter, fast twitchy play. I DO NOT like fast twitchy play. If I wanted that, I'd go play something else. But I guess now that's all League is, so I should just give up on it, and so should everyone else like me who enjoyed old league.

Full BrainNov 7, 20184 votes

You can't build full damage Urgot and be a super tank. Galio on the other hand...

People need to stop pretending Urgot is busted he is just strong. The only reason people started saying he is broken is Worlds and then he is just getting dumpstered repeatedly at the end of it which everyone ignores.

ValiantKillerNov 7, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Full Brain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7subHfes,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-11-07T13:28:22.729+0000)

You can't build full damage Urgot and be a super tank. Galio on the other hand...

People need to stop pretending Urgot is busted he is just strong. The only reason people started saying he is broken is Worlds and then he is just getting dumpstered repeatedly at the end of it which everyone ignores.

Urgot doesn't get fee shield from itema like all juggernaut of his class cause he is ranged, that why it easy to cc and melt him kn team fights. Just ignore people that say he is busted, they are the reason we got unbalanced game

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

sure losing 8% (plus base damage) of my max hp per 3 second cooldown leg proc as a melee that invested in health to keep me alive and having and effective 30% smaller hp pool cause of his ult

Moon MomNov 7, 20184 votes

You left out the fact lissandras entire kit was reduced in terms of damage to compensate for the new passive. But sure, compare galio - a champ you have to put SUPER SPECIAL macro around in both pro play and solo queue to deal with - to lissandra, a battle mage with limited, telegraphed pathing.

Lady HammerlockNov 7, 20183 votes

So we're just going to leave out that this passive is mostly meaningless in lane, and only works if you kill someones whilst being coupled with ratio, and base damage nerfs?(and some mana cost buffs)

I mean like yes, 520 at level 18 is probably way too much, but at least mention the entire change list.

Fear the KaynNov 7, 20182 votes

Aftershock liss does need a nerf too. It's incredibly toxic and unfun to play against. In fact, aftershock in general is unfair to play against IMO.

JaegaerNov 7, 20184 votes

no it isn't toxic.

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

after shock is a long cooldown keystone with an easy answer send some one as bait to bait it out or have some one block the cc who can take it and kite it out for the duration as a team. Aftershock is only dumb for people who want to start the fight and hurr durr shred through everything no matter who it is. I do think it needs rebalencing so that its less strong in the base stats and more strong in the scaling stats. Its cooldown is also far too long it can be shorter while still being decently long seeing as mages get their high damage poke every 2.3 seconds late game

BestPudgeNANov 7, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=LL Justice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7subHfes,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-07T06:13:46.091+0000)

while aftershock liss who does galio job but better is getting a 500 base damage passive lol

urgot is emmhh.... untouched??

wtf is going on riot games we good ??

Wait wut makes you think the Galio change is a nerf?

NaalithNov 7, 20181 votes

Because pro play, like every fucking dumb change.

jocomotionNov 7, 20181 votes

I mean remember that the Q still retains its 80% AP ratio on the side gusts, and it deals that damage in the tornado when it forms.

Plus the AP ratio is getting LARGELY reduced (thank god) from 130 mana at max rank to 90 to compensate for the power loss.

And the base damage has been increased (you’re losing 30 base damage but gaining flat 6% max health damage which is a buff unless you’re somehow up against a champion with less than 500 HP).

It is overall a nerf, but it barely hurts him thanks to the compensation buffs.

DarkneslsoNov 7, 20181 votes

My guess is that that they don't want to nerf champions that currently have a big impact in the game, hence the small nerfs to viktor irelia and akali, and why they are really addressing urgot. They don't want to make changes that will have a huge impact on the game right before the ranked season ends, since people want to keep climbing, and any big nerfs would have a negative effect to people trying to climb before ranked ends. I think they are saving the big nerfs during/after the preseason.

DeusVultNov 7, 20181 votes

Galio "nerfs" also include huge mana buffs to his Q, which go a long way for his laning, considering that Q costs more than most ults at this point. The wind damage got buffed, by a lot.

The convergence damage got nerfed (pretty much only vs minions, as 6% will still do ~30-70 damage vs champs, more vs tanks/bruisers, but it hurts his safe minion clear.) The other thing that got hit was his ult not knocking up enemies for longer when they get hit at the center of his ult. This is the only real nerf, but at the same time how many times did you actually hit someone in the center of the ult, given the delay??

MeechyNov 8, 20181 votes

Damn why was a mid tank, with wave clear, damage, and insta global teleport ulty nerfed. Really don't know why thats crazy.

Sir RougeNov 8, 20181 votes

(This is coming from someone who thinks the balance team has been doing really bad in season 8; don't get me wrong, I'm asking the same ''wtf'' questions at many things from them right now)

Howeverrrr:

Galio was nerfed because he needed to be nerfed (at first for both soloq and pro, then overnerfed in soloq because of pro). There are changes on the PBE aiming at reducing that gap.
''500 base dmg passive''

It's 120 - 520 dmg based on level. Please don't list her level 17/18 value as if it's always that.
She is recieving a damage reduction in the rest of her kit (W and R)
It needs to have high damage because it's really slow and would be bad if the damage was low (could be ignored most of the time if the dmg was low, when it's meant to zone)

Aftershock Liss isn't really a problem: it's good right now because it counters a lot of the midlaners right now. Whenever the meta changes, she won't be that good anymore. Aftershock is also what carries Liss right now in the meta. If there's anything to nerf, it's the keystone.

GrReaper96Nov 8, 20181 votes

Galio changes:

Winds of War (Q) mana cost lowered from 70/85/100/115/130 to 70/75/80/85/90 damage increased from 50/80/110/140/170 to 70/105/140/175/210 windblast damage changed from [30/40/50/60/70 (+60% AP) + (+3% per 100 AP) of enemies max health] to [6% (+3% per 100 AP) of enemies max health]

Hero's Entrance (R) [Changed Effect] No longer knocks up enemies in the center for a longer duration. All enemies hit by Hero's Entrance are knocked up for .75 seconds

Q change are a direct BUFF. Mana cost greatly decreased (he really needed it), direct increase in the base damage, and the aftereffect damage changed from a base dmg to pure % hp that would probably deal more damage to anyone above 2k health and supports more tanky builds better.

R is a nerf for the middle heroes knockup by 0.5. Most of the time people are smart enough to move away from the middle so its not much of an effect. Just a small compensation nerf.

Overall this is acually a pretty good buff for Galio, not a nerf. His Q mana cost is finally decent, more base damage, more % health dmg, with slightly less AP scaling and a small R nerf. Nothing to get mad about

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

hes nerfed because he uses his fists instead of some type of projectile