Pro players started taking warlords over fervor suddenly, as I remember fervor didnt get any nerfs and nothing changed in the meta, what happened basically?
when I play with warlords I feel like im not dealing any dmg, but when I go with fervor %50-60 of the time I say "Damn I wish I had warlords bloodlust I could win that all in easily". So.... But both dont satisfy me.
I never played with Grasp after the nerf.
So.....
What are your thoughts?
JhomasTefferson1 votesThey didn't nerf warlords. They black cleaver'd it. They took something that was really good on a very small number of champs and made it pretty decent on a whole bunch of champs but not really good on anyone
Sohleks1 votesVersus tanky teams fervor can be stacked easier and lets you punch tanks. It's a key that lets you kill them. Tanks an obstacle but a punching bag of an obstacle.
If enemy team lacks frontline I think warlords is superior for laning and for those carry versus carry fights as there no time to stack fervor. The bonus lifesteal makes a difference whether you go from 0 to 20% low hp on warlords, and synergizes surprisingly when you start with 20% lifesteal from bloodthirster. Imagine if you add a red elixir on top of that for like 50% lifesteal healing 200+ per auto!
For Trynd I personally find he just does so much you don't even need fervor or it's a small portion of it.
Fervor gives melee a lot of dmg though...
Geshultz1 votesI would say on Tryndamere your goal is to try and get as much dps in as possible within the 5 seconds of your ult so overall fervor of battle is better for higher dps. Well, Warlord's bloodlust is honestly horrible in most situations that you are getting zoned from minions or even in team fights it is too reliant on having very dangerous levels of hp to be even effective vs most champions. I think that Warlord's bloodlust isn't that good unless your ranged champion. That and fervor of battle is important in winning duels quicker as it allows you to split push harder.
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Pro players started taking warlords over fervor suddenly, as I remember fervor didnt get any nerfs and nothing changed in the meta, what happened basically?
when I play with warlords I feel like im not dealing any dmg, but when I go with fervor %50-60 of the time I say "Damn I wish I had warlords bloodlust I could win that all in easily". So.... But both dont satisfy me.
I never played with Grasp after the nerf.
So.....
What are your thoughts?
There are pros that play Tryndamere?
Lol JK, but most on probuilds seem to be going fervor. I know Voyboy, who plays Trynd more than most pros or ex-pros, favors it.
Anyway, the distinction between the two keystones is that fervor is better for trades and all-ins early on, and warlord's is better for duels late game when you have more AD. Tryndamere gets a lot of AD from his Q's passive so it's even better for him.
That said, in most cases you should still go fervor. Tryndamere is a champion that is at his strongest when he can aggressively all-in his opponents in the laning phase to snowball hard, because contrary to popular belief he is not a late game champion. Sure, his damage is crazy late game, on par with hypercarry champions, and he's one of the best duelists in the game at this point. But a champion who simply can't team fight doesn't have a good late game, and Tryndamere's team fighting is among the worst in the game. You want to get ahead early. For this reason I also think ignite is best on him. Sure, you won't be able to TP in to help your team... but would you have really helped them if you tp'd in as Tryndamere in the first place?
IMO Warlord's should only be taken if you're against someone you just can't really cheese or kill early, like Teemo, Malphite (LEAST FUN TRYND MATCH UP HOLY SHIT) or probably Pantheon (you actually do outscale Pantheon late game, his late is gutter trash lol).
Dreadlocks1 votesIf u know ur gana lose lane, id take warlords for some extra sustain. Take fervor every other situation.
Dracocrash1 votesfervor.
D3m37r11 votesI've always taken warlord's and every tryndamere I've ever seen has taken it ever since it was introduced
Elros Thranduil1 votesafter the rework people went with fervor since he can stack it easily and must to basic attack to deal damage. Everybody at high elo even at plat elo were taking fervor nowadays something happened I guess they play with warlords now. Champion.gg shows warlords is the highest pick rated and win rated, it was fervor(highest win rate) for 2 months(warlord was still the highest pick rated).