a guy said that last game. I mean... Amumu... Once upon a time and he had the highest champ ban rate at all ranks.... Best jungler in the game.... It's amumu man. Snoopeh's amumu... Now... People thinks he is useless. Well they are not mistaken thought, there are tons of op champs rito realesed. But still that made me remember season2 and looking back. "Amumu is useless pick something good." Damn guys.. Im gonna cry.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo20 votes
is still one of the top junglers. just cuz he isnt 
dont mean he is useless. far from it. is a tank, a cc machine who has a surprising burst with lil ap. and he can easily gank from lvl 2. if gets ahead he is unstopable. even if behind with the utility and cc in his kit and able to stack tank items he is useful. could be down 2 levels and still w q ult e and is great in team fights. who ever said that was talking out of his ass and stupid.
RogueWill3 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GMa6OFki,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-08-22T22:54:25.793+0000)
Well...you are sorta wrong. Amumu CC is indeed strong but gated by such high CD that I wouldn't consider him a CC machine. One his ult is down he can pretty much be ignored for the rest of the fight, he can't peel for his teammates and his damage tends to kill you slowly so he doesn't present a treat worth attacking unless there is no other target close
oSEXYPLATYPUSo7 votesWell...you are sorta wrong. Amumu CC is indeed strong but gated by such high CD that I wouldn't consider him a CC machine. One his ult is down he can pretty much be ignored for the rest of the fight, he can't peel for his teammates and his damage tends to kill you slowly so he doesn't present a treat worth attacking unless there is no other target close
all champs are gated by cooldowns. and typically on you are gonna build 
if not other cdr items. you could as far say rune cdr glyph because you dont need mr in the jungle cuz none of the jungle monsters do magic damage. so getting cdr in your runes with a would give 27.50% cd so which his q having a cd of 18 at lvl 1 - 27.5% cdr would be 13cd but typically you are gonna max cdr.
so say a typical build amumu jungle would be something along the lines of 
of whatever you need. that will give you 40% cdr with running cdr runes and you can if you want more magic pen and ap/hp go 
over . another route could be 
or for go the for or
RogueWill1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GMa6OFki,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-08-23T00:41:44.078+0000)
all champs are gated by cooldowns. and typically on
Even with max CDR the CD is too high to be considered a CC machine, specially since only one of his spells has CC and is a skillshot. CC machines are tanks like Nautilius or Leona that are worth attacking simply because of their lock down potential, if Amumu ult is on CD he is not worth attacking, if he jumps on you with his Q, then you just ignore him and atttack the follow up damage that his teamates will do, he doesn't have the damage potential to be considered a threat besides his ult, no matter how much CDR you build.
Also last time I checked, the current most favorable Amumu build doesn't include any CDR but it goes something like 
or something among those lines, no CDR, just relying on the initial burst so you can remove a threat with the follow up damage and become a zoner after that
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesEven with max CDR the CD is too high to be considered a CC machine, specially since only one of his spells has CC and is a skillshot. CC machines are tanks like Nautilius or Leona that are worth attacking simply because of their lock down potential, if Amumu ult is on CD he is not worth attacking, if he jumps on you with his Q, then you just ignore him and atttack the follow up damage that his teamates will do, he doesn't have the damage potential to be considered a threat besides his ult, no matter how much CDR you build.
Also last time I checked, the current most favorable Amumu build doesn't include any CDR but it goes something like
i would still argue that cdr is better on any tank jungler that has cc and aoe abilities. i have a 19-7 record with since 5-4-2015 but im a bad player and only got to silver so i couldnt know anything
FreudFromSKA1 votesYeah we all came here to debate the semantic merits of one single term: CC machine.
Votable Jester3 votesRocket belt and Abyssal each give 10% cdr. As said before, you could fit cdr runes in (i personally often run a total of 20% cdr at 18 on my runes, but I play mid mages), opening up numerous build paths while still reaching max cdr.
MonkeyMadness3 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm] Plis there is only one amumu build
Dr Poro1 votesAmumu is a tank that deals a ton of damage. Also, lategame he will have a really short CD on his Q so that he can stun and gap close repeatedly. No, you don't have to focus him, but while you leave him around, he will have done the damage that you'd expect from a juggernaut.
RogueWill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Poro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GMa6OFki,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2016-08-23T17:18:30.689+0000)
Amumu is a tank that deals a ton of damage. Also, lategame he will have a really short CD on his Q so that he can stun and gap close repeatedly. No, you don't have to focus him, but while you leave him around, he will have done the damage that you'd expect from a juggernaut.
Maybe but the initial argument was whether or not Amumu was a CC machine, which he is not since a single ability with only low CD late game can't be considered a CC machine but more of an annoyance.
Bellows1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GMa6OFki,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-08-22T22:54:25.793+0000)
IKR, Amumu has the highest winrate in the game right now too. What a jackarse.
Blue Moon Wolf1 votesHonestly, he's been in the top 5 win rates for this whole season, maybe longer. He might not be as strong as he used to be and probably isn't very good in high ranked matches, but he's got to be doing SOMETHING right if he can have one of the highest averaged out win rates.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Blue Moon Wolf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GMa6OFki,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2016-08-23T18:24:36.334+0000)
Honestly, he's been in the top 5 win rates for this whole season, maybe longer. He might not be as strong as he used to be and probably isn't very good in high ranked matches, but he's got to be doing SOMETHING right if he can have one of the highest averaged out win rates.
it has to do with the safety of his kit and design. a tank who has cc and decent burst and a good clear speed outside the invade at lvl 1 blue. tanky cc champs even when behind are still useful when it comes to their kits. "carry junglers" have to do that or do nothing such as 
lol * making a statement*
Eedat7 votesAmumu is, and always has been a strong pick lol
Only Play Darius6 votesFrom what I have heard Amumu gets viciously counterjungled at higher elo
doombotMECHA6 votesyeah. that was always his weakness, but now that we have crap like new nidalee clearing at the speed of light, it's "surrender now or prepare to fight!"
yeah, that's right. i went there.
Meep Man1 votesIf you run an Amumu, it's smart to ban popular high ELO counter junglers. Amumu is worth using resources for.
NuclearTaco943 votesAmumu without his ult is neigh useless,he can stun once every 14s if he hits his binding...and? Meta junglers are not so reliant on their ult,gragas elise nidalee lee,all can fight when ult is down,amumu cant if his team is even/behind
Ireliavence1 votesyou.......you arent above silver, and im gonna go check to see if im right.
Edit: i checked, i was right , i laughed.
Dominick Destine2 votesyou.......you arent above silver, and im gonna go check to see if im right.
Edit: i checked, i was right , i laughed.
You're level 27....
I'm Plat and I confirm that his argument is solid.
elon wątroba3 votesOhh, you don't brag anymore, that you are diamond :D
Dominick Destine1 votesOhh, you don't brag anymore, that you are diamond :D
I am currently Plat but an S5 Diamond.
I will be Diamond once again.
HexaDecimel2 votesSo what your saying is......that you aren't Diamond!
Dominick Destine1 votesSo what your saying is......that you aren't Diamond!
For now.
TheHurricaneGamr3 votesI don't think Amumu's useless. He's just not seen in competitive play because his early game is poor, which is easily punished by staple picks, and in competitive play, organized teams can deal with him. However, in a SoloQ environment, he's pretty good, as teams don't have as much coordination.
statelesskiller3 votesamumu? the solo queue jesus? not useful? . . . im sorry wat?
Urf Mode Is Life2 voteshes not the same as he use to be when his ult STUNNED everyone... with that said, hes still a godly pick
Meep Man1 votesHis ultimate has never stunned everyone. It's always been an Entangle. Amumu hasn't really been changed a ton over time.
Urf Mode Is Life1 votes[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GMa6OFki,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2016-08-23T13:29:25.597+0000)
His ultimate has never stunned everyone. It's always been an Entangle. Amumu hasn't really been changed a ton over time.
That statement you just made is proof that you are a league noobie! Amumus ult up until season 5 was an AOE STUN for 2 seconds, go look it up smart guy
FancyKiddo1 votesYou... what man?
V1.0.0.100 Cursed Touch Magic resistance reduction reduced to 15 / 25 / 35 from 20 / 30 / 40. Bandage Toss Can no longer be cast while rooted. Curse of the Sad Mummy Tooltip corrected to state that enemies are rooted and cannot attack or move.
Amumu's ult has NEVER stunned.
AwesomeChad2 votesAmumu was alone at the top. Now hes alone at the bottom. GG [zombie-nunu-bummed]
LongHair Fox2 votesamumu still has one of, if not the, highest winrate of all champions in lower elo's - not just junglers. Also in anything but high diamond you can likely get away with playing anything as long as you are good at it.
HateDaddy2 votes 
THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY AMUMU
CeexSett2 votesACTUALLY
FUCK THOSE PUSSY-ASS UTILITY ITEMS.
manbearswine2 votesWait wait wait wait Did you just call amumu useless and got upvoted for it? BUT MUH WINRATE
Holy shit man, you just got past the winrate circlejerk, HOW? HOW????????? TELL ME YOUR SECRETS
SanKakU1 votesAren't most junglers in a good spot right now as a lot of them can pick at least 2 different jungle item paths? Personally I'd rather pick a tank than anything else for the jungle, but I don't really think of Amumu as a tank. Doesn't all his damage scale with AP? And then he obviously has good synergy with defensive and movement items just because his abilities require him to be close to enemies to damage them, right? Been so long since I bothered to play him.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesAren't most junglers in a good spot right now as a lot of them can pick at least 2 different jungle item paths? Personally I'd rather pick a tank than anything else for the jungle, but I don't really think of Amumu as a tank. Doesn't all his damage scale with AP? And then he obviously has good synergy with defensive and movement items just because his abilities require him to be close to enemies to damage them, right? Been so long since I bothered to play him.
is that enough ap? but really you can do alot with like 75ap on
however because of his W and his passive items like 
end up doing alot of damage for him.
also if you want your ult to be a really good aoe slow 
when you ult in use combined with your W on and the slow from with the aoe stun of your ult can really seem oppressive.
SanKakU1 votesLook like good items. I would like to further comment that the slowing effects might not be very effective since your opponents might have dashes that they can use to scatter. If they do that, then you might as well boost your own movement speed to chase them down one at a time and I wonder if people take Stormraider's Surge on Amumu since it will let him stay on top of someone long enough to kill them if they are otherwise a slippery foe.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesLook like good items. I would like to further comment that the slowing effects might not be very effective since your opponents might have dashes that they can use to scatter. If they do that, then you might as well boost your own movement speed to chase them down one at a time and I wonder if people take Stormraider's Surge on Amumu since it will let him stay on top of someone long enough to kill them if they are otherwise a slippery foe.
the thing with storm raiders it only procs if you do 30% of there hp with in 2.5 seconds and to go 18 into that tree where you can go 12--0-18 and be tankier and still get the +2% damage on ablities +3 % damage for your allies when you do damage to a champ with exposed weakness which helps alot in ganks allowing your laner to do more damage to the target. and then you can go natural talent for extra ad and ap (+10 ad +15 ap @ lvl 18) plus the 2.5 % bonus damage to targets that are slowed, cced, taunted , rooted, stun with oppressor is just to strong to pass up.
if you are worried about champs dashing away wait til they use their escape before you use your Q to catch them, with you W the aoe slow proc from combined with 
or 
should be more then enough to stick to them. also the 18 points in resolve are stronger as a tank +2.0 hp regen to help sustain in jungle, tough skin to take less damage from monsters and auto attacks , +50hp at the start of the game is strong for 1st clear, 15% cdr on summoners so your flash is up more often. now this is where you can go either or.
if you are vs a lot of cc/slows take swiftness if youre not worried about that take legendary guardian for free armor and mr per enemy near by (+3 x 5 =15mr /15 armor)which you gonna be in the middle of fights. and then strength of ages gives you free 300 hp from farming jungle combined with that gives +15% bonus hp you can get a large amount of free hp. bond of stone is ok but its only good in gank/team fight situations where you take less damage and take %6 of damage dealt to allies on to you so it makes them "tanker by damage reduction"
FantasySniper1 votesDude, Amumu has had a positive win-rate since... Forever. And his play-rate has never suffered, either, especially since he's been a staple in pro play since... Well, forever.
Champion Skin2 votesWhat? Amumu is played in pro play? I can't remember seeing him for a long time in pro play?
RamRanchDressing2 votesCloud 9 played it in their regional qualifiers run last season, I think vs TIP.
They lost that game & it was hovered against them a few times later in the run and at worlds as a joke.
Dr Poro1 votesHe's not a solo carry champion but he's way more useful than what (bad) people see as useful. If you think Gragas or Reksai is better in soloQ, you're so wrong. These are champions who have a kit that are WAY better in organized team play but because of that, they have received so many nerfs that they are below average for soloQ players. Even if you're diamond, the picks in LCS mean nothing to you because they're based on a very different meta. A meta where players play like a team and not just individuals with a common goal. You can't pick Amumu in LCS because the enemy team will exploit his weaknesses. Your early game presence will be 0 and they will make sure you never get out of your jungle and lategame they will just split push the brains out of him so he will never get a 4 or 5 man ult. In soloQ, however, people will not be able to organize their team around countering amumu and you will probably get easy ganks in at least one of the lanes and having an obvious initiator is just so insanely strong in soloQ teamfights. You can't flash and knock up with rek'sai and expect your team to be hitting them instantly. You need a more obvious engage that lasts longer.
JRobin311 votesi almost hate to inform you but that is probably only the third most useful thing you can do.
Articality1 votes 
Useless?! O.o
TheThomTanksWell1 votesThe problem he has is the same problem I have in general. He is a tank. Tanks have been slowly being edged out by bruisers/fighters over the 4 years I have been playing. I mean, why play amunu for his 1 stun and aoe snare when you could play Ekko with his aoe STUN and insane damage output, or Hecarim with his insane speed, or Vi with her TWO knock ups, or any of dozens of non-tank champs who can outshine him or any other tank for that matter. As a tank main I find it harder and harder to play the champs I love(tanks) when so many brusiers do my job better than I can. When you do see tanks in play it is always supp. Which by the way makes our job that much harder since now we are responsible for the safety of the team but have to do without any real farm. I mean look at the current line up of Primary tanks(nont champs like mundo or chgath): 
: who is not seen outside of support very often; : Who was discussed here and why he is falling behind; 
: who has always been more of a bruiser in my opinion but even so is supp and banned pretty regularly in lower elo; Cho would be next in Riots list but he does not even fit the 3 rules to being a tank that they put forth so screw him; 
: My main, one of the best champs in the game when you know what to do his shield increases Armor and Mr of the target and then heals him when the target takes damage(effectively increases both his and his targets survivability), an aoe slow that does decent damage, an aoe speed boost so allies can follow him into combat, and a aoe 2 second taunt, in all honesty he should see more play with that kind of kit but most do not realize how useful he can still be; 
: who I do not see a lot of since they nerfed him a while back, but would be one fo the few who stayed relevant if not for the nerf stick; 
: who is still pretty relevant but only in a support role which is pretty bad since I have witnessed both jung leo and mid leo trash their opponents; 
: who only has 1 hard cc which is his ult and I only see him paired with Kallista for wombo combo fodder; 
: speaking of nerf sticks.... he once owned top, now you do not see him anywhere; 
: probably the only champ in this list I still see regularly outside of supp, and with good reason since they cannot nerf him(except for minor tweaks) or he will be literally useless but cannot buff him because he would be unstoppable; 
: with her rework she was DESTROYING people, then she got nerfed and she kind of is fading again; 
: Still a solid champ, but does not see a whole lot of play because he is not a bruiser who will get more kills than assists; 
: another solid champ who just gets out classed in most match ups; 
: I did not see him much following his rework but have noticed more and more of him recently, probably do to his bruiser like build paths and playstyle; 
: not much to say here, I have seen maybe 1 singed in the past month, he is pretty much the dead horse you do not beat; 
: again another rework followed by nerfs, they make these champs to be good then realize that tanks are unkillable so they nerf the damage output and pretty much ruin their viability; 
: Not sure why he does not see more play either, I still play him, and still do really well, again just think people would rather have that "Dunkmaster" feel from Vi or Darius. Sorry for the wall of text, but one more thing before I go: The three things riot says a tank needs are: 1) survivability 2) Peel/remain a threat 3) initiation. The last is why I feel Cho does not belong with the others, he has no dash or speed boost or any thing. He relies on catching with his q which is hardly the same.
I mean compared to 
, 
, 
, 
, , 
, , and others like them who is really going to pick a true tank. We do not do damage, we do not even have as much peel as most fighters released these days, and they have just as much survivability. So why play tanks? I do not know, maybe because i like life in hard mode, maybe I just like being the designated butthole that gets pounded so no one else does, I can not say that I have any reason I cotinue to back this dying breed of champs. One thing is for sure, if things do not change tanks will die out completely and no one will even notice.
