If I make one mistake, I'm dead.
If she makes one mistake, she hops away 2/3 times for free then heals.
It's the penultimate 'I snowball off of you, or we both AFK farm, period.' lane. Almost as anti-fun as facing a Zed
Juicyman26 votesTry jungling against one that invades, it's unforgivable what she can do.
I do like how she avoided nerfs this patch because 'tanks' ruin her toxic play patterns and then they go and nerf cinderhulk in the pbe.
manbearswine4 votesI do like how she avoided nerfs this patch because 'tanks' ruin her toxic play patterns
That's just it,they don't. Nidalee's biggest strength is her early(and as you've mentioned her invades),well guess what? tanky junglers are generally not as strong early as the carry ones,on top of that,nidalee needs to be locked down and bursted down,or she will spam her dash and heal,and well,the carry junglers with their bigger mobility and damage are generally more capable of doing that,if anything,the rise of tanks should make nidalee stronger than ever.
That was just complete BS what they pulled off there.
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesNot in late game. She's pretty useless in teamfights if there's enough cc on the enemy team. Most tanks can pretty much guarantee she's locked down if they want.
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=hgjkdlsaf jeldvb,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7q98ORYU,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2015-03-25T21:56:12.972+0000)
Not in late game. She's pretty useless in teamfights if there's enough cc on the enemy team.
First of all: No,but second,even if it were true(which it isn't) how is that different from the previous carry jungle meta? do vi/j4/lee really lack cc compared to the current meta junglers? in fact they also add burst,which helps a lot as even with a lot of cc you need to kill her fast,as she can outrun right about anything.
Most tanks can pretty much guarantee she's locked down if they want.
Complete and utter bullshit.
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesNidalee is a lot of things, but strong in team fights is not one of them. If she gets fed off her ass early, yes, she'll be a teamfight threat, but only under those conditions. Nidalee can be cc'd like any other squishy assassin. There are tons of opportunities to hit her with targeted cc to either force zhonyas or burst her during the cc. Even if her pounce kills something, it's still on a 1.5s cd, which is more than enough time to wait for her to pounce, and then take your skill shot to lock her down. If you are mindful of your opponents limitations, you can have a lot more success in peeling them off your team. Nidalee and Yi are both champions that require this kind of thought.
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=hgjkdlsaf jeldvb,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7q98ORYU,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-26T01:19:56.544+0000)
Nidalee is a lot of things, but strong in team fights is not one of them.
First of all,her teamfighting is solid,second: If your teamfighting isn't strong,here's a wild idea:DON'T FUCKING TEAMFIGHT,poke first,disengage and run away if they try anything,splitpush(if you have a splitpusher on your team let him do it,if not lichbane nida can take down towers awfully fast),force them to split,nidalee's skirmishing is godlike,don't fucking fight under their terms,especially when you can so easily force them to fight under yours.
If she gets fed off her ass early, yes, she'll be a teamfight threat, but only under those conditions.
So if the jungler with quite possibly the most obnoxious early game get's fed against tank junglers,who are known for their weak early sounds very conditional to you? A nidalee SHOULD get an advantage against them early,if she doesn't,she's misplaying hard.
Nidalee can be cc'd like any other squishy assassin.
Lol,what a great example,you are right,she can be cc'd just like any other squishy assassin,which unfortunately all have such insane mobility they are basically all crazy hard to cc,ever tried ccing a fizz? an ahri? le blanc? that's pretty much how "easy" nidalee is to cc.
There are tons of opportunities to hit her with targeted cc to either force zhonyas or burst her during the cc.
You mean the kind riot is calling low counterplay,there are only a few instances left of in the game,and is extremely valuable(targeted cc spent on nida does not go on le blanc)? no,this is not a serious weakness,not even slightly.
To make things worse,this whole argument is about how she is supposedly weaker against tank junglers(what a retarded notion),tell me,what meta tank jungler has targeted cc? cause vi,j4,and to some extent lee(w flash r) have that,whereas tank junglers do not.
Even if her pounce kills something, it's still on a 1.5s cd, which is more than enough time to wait for her to pounce, and then take your skill shot to lock her down.
No,it's not more than enough time,in fact,it's barely time at all,not to mention that by now she actually killed something,quite possibly still has zhonyas,and you know,since it's a skillshot,can actually dodge it.
If you are mindful of your opponents limitations, you can have a lot more success in peeling them off your team. Nidalee and Yi are both champions that require this kind of thought.
Yi goes in and then is stuck there,he also doesn't have spectacular tools from being picked off,you're just full of shit,seriously get your head out of your ass,nidalee is easily one of the hardest champions to lock down,which means that if you somehow manage to,she needs to be bursted down in that small time window,which tank junglers are just not as good at achieving as the carry ones,riot is just throwing shit at us and you are gobbling it up.
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesFirst of all,her teamfighting is solid,second: If your teamfighting isn't strong,here's a wild idea:DON'T FUCKING TEAMFIGHT,poke first,disengage and run away if they try anything,splitpush(if you have a splitpusher on your team let him do it,if not lichbane nida can take down towers awfully fast),force them to split,nidalee's skirmishing is godlike,don't fucking fight under their terms,especially when you can so easily force them to fight under yours.
What makes her teamfighting solid? She's squishy, has no cc, and has to dive in to finish anyone off. Teamfighting is seroiusly her only weakness. I'd rather play someone with combat stealth to do that. Her strength is her poke.
So if the jungler with quite possibly the most obnoxious early game get's fed against tank junglers,who are known for their weak early sounds very conditional to you? A nidalee SHOULD get an advantage against them early,if she doesn't,she's misplaying hard.
I'm not denying that she gets fed a lot. She is way too good as a pub stomp. The fact still remains that she has to be ahead to be effective. Her odds of getting there are another matter. Again, she's too good at getting there. No shit. We all know it.
Lol,what a great example,you are right,she can be cc'd just like any other squishy assassin,which unfortunately all have such insane mobility they are basically all crazy hard to cc,ever tried ccing a fizz? an ahri? le blanc? that's pretty much how "easy" nidalee is to cc.
Learn her cooldowns, dumbass. Fizz has several seconds before he can playful again, and his other dash is targeted, making it extremely predictable. The best thing you can do against hypermobile champs is to wait for them to blow their dashes. When they're on cooldown, landing a skill shot is no different than landing it on a zyra. Learn some fucking patience. If she's blowing up your adc, they need a guardian, or someone specifically designated to ride their dick and instapeel (the support?)
You mean the kind riot is calling low counterplay,there are only a few instances left of in the game,and is extremely valuable(targeted cc spent on nida does not go on le blanc)? no,this is not a serious weakness,not even slightly.
To make things worse,this whole argument is about how she is supposedly weaker against tank junglers(what a retarded notion),tell me,what meta tank jungler has targeted cc? cause vi,j4,and to some extent lee(w flash r) have that,whereas tank junglers do not.
Naut for one has targeted cc. Amumu has an instant AoE. Sej's dash and ult are fast and fat enough that if you miss, you fucked up, and again, her dash is on a 5 second cd. It drops to 1.5 if she kills something. This still leaves an opening where she's vulnerable to lockdown. I swear, you act like she's just permanently dashing.
No,it's not more than enough time,in fact,it's barely time at all,not to mention that by now she actually killed something,quite possibly still has zhonyas,and you know,since it's a skillshot,can actually dodge it.
Ok, so she dove in, bursted a carry and popped zhonyas. I've never seen an AP champ do that before. Ever. Only nidalee can do this.
Yi goes in and then is stuck there,he also doesn't have spectacular tools from being picked off,you're just full of shit,seriously get your head out of your ass,nidalee is easily one of the hardest champions to lock down,which means that if you somehow manage to,she needs to be bursted down in that small time window,which tank junglers are just not as good at achieving as the carry ones,riot is just throwing shit at us and you are gobbling it up.
No. Fuck you. Get your head out of your ass. Learn to recognize a fucking weakness and play around it. She dominates skirmishes. Not teamfights. She cannot just dive 5 champs free of charge without someone else enabling the hell out of her. If your team didn't lose a bunch of lanes on their own, you should be able to hold your own in a fight.
Literally the only time nidalee is as big of a problem as you seem to thing is when she, and her team, are ahead enough to enable her toxic playstyle. Assuming you don't have a massive gold deficit, she's fucking useless in a properly executed teamfight. If you paid any fucking attention to her patterns in games, you'd know that she is only doing as well as her team. If her team is down, it doesn't matter how fed she is, because she can't 1v5, and her team will melt in teamfights.
No one is denying that her early game is retarded, or that her kit is fucking retarded, but you seriously need to give credit where credit is due and recognize that she's not an efficient teamfighter. In case you need any stats to back it up http://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee/Jungle
In every role, her win rate falls off in late game. Now how about you explain that instead of repeatedly shouting some bs about how she's impossible to land a skill shot on like her dash has no downtime. Yes, she's a priority fucking target when she jumps in, just like any assassin.
Additionally, tanks statistically counter her. Nunu, sion, sejuani, skarner, naut, amumu, voli, rammus, and maokai all tank her winrate. You are clearly just impatient and let her read your skill shots.
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=hgjkdlsaf jeldvb,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7q98ORYU,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-26T18:27:54.312+0000)
What makes her teamfighting solid? She's squishy, has no cc, and has to dive in to finish anyone off. Teamfighting is seroiusly her only weakness.
I guess by this logic zed,ahri,fizz*(old ap fizz,new ad not so much) and le blanc are all shit teamfighters,having not very notable cc,being squishy and having to dive to finish anyone off,she has immense damage output and mobility to protect herself while outputing it.
I'd rather play someone with combat stealth to do that. Her strength is her poke.
That's just one of many.
I'm not denying that she gets fed a lot. She is way too good as a pub stomp. The fact still remains that she has to be ahead to be effective. Her odds of getting there are another matter. Again, she's too good at getting there. No shit. We all know it.
So nerf her then? what is this argument about otherwise?
Learn her cooldowns, dumbass.
there aren't any,idiot.
Fizz has several seconds before he can playful again,
Oh the horror,poor guy has cd on his skill negating,damaging gapcloser,good thing all cc abilities in this game are spammable,have no cooldown,and are only used for fizz! oh wait...
and his other dash is targeted, making it extremely predictable.
Too bad it's so fast you can't properly react to it.
The best thing you can do against hypermobile champs is to wait for them to blow their dashes.
too bad you are generally dead by then,or they have gotten away.
When they're on cooldown, landing a skill shot is no different than landing it on a zyra.
Except you know,high base movement speed,generally having ms increasing items(lichbane,tri force,botrk,yomumus/etc),and the fact that by the time their mobility is fully on cooldown,the fight is probably already lost(just wait for ahri to blow all dashes,lol)
Learn some fucking patience. If she's blowing up your adc, they need a guardian, or someone specifically designated to ride their dick and instapeel (the support?)
too bad her sticking power is so rediculous basically only janna can do that,and is considered op due to the fact that she can actually deal with this tier of nonsense.
Naut for one has targeted cc.
heavily delayed,and naught isn't particularly meta,his early is also particularly bad(which nidalee just loves).
Amumu has an instant AoE.
too bad he needs to get there first,which is skillshot reliant.
Sej's dash and ult are fast and fat enough that if you miss, you fucked up,
Or you know,she dashed,they aren't big enough to cover her jump range.
and again, her dash is on a 5 second cd. It drops to 1.5 if she kills something. This still leaves an opening where she's vulnerable to lockdown. I swear, you act like she's just permanently dashing.
You have this impression where if I slow nidalee for one second she implodes,no,especially if chased she needs to be kept in place and pretty much nobody can do that,carry junglers could add some burst,meaning that you had a better chance at killing her before her mobility gets her away.
Ok, so she dove in, bursted a carry and popped zhonyas. I've never seen an AP champ do that before. Ever. Only nidalee can do this.
Well,they tend to either die after(or be very vunerable),or be pretty stupid in their own right(if you want to compare her to lb,that's a fair comparison).
No. Fuck you. Get your head out of your ass. Learn to recognize a fucking weakness and play around it.
Except she doesn't have any meaningful ones.
She dominates skirmishes. Not teamfights. She cannot just dive 5 champs free of charge without someone else enabling the hell out of her. If your team didn't lose a bunch of lanes on their own, you should be able to hold your own in a fight.
Except that she,realizing that,starts splitpushing,cause you know,can't catch this shit.
If her team is down, it doesn't matter how fed she is, because she can't 1v5, and her team will melt in teamfights.
I can say that for every fucking champion.
No one is denying that her early game is retarded, or that her kit is fucking retarded, but you seriously need to give credit where credit is due and recognize that she's not an efficient teamfighter. In case you need any stats to back it up http://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee/Jungle
In every role, her win rate falls off in late game. Now how about you explain that instead of repeatedly shouting some bs about how she's impossible to land a skill shot on like her dash has no downtime. Yes, she's a priority fucking target when she jumps in, just like any assassin.
her early game is particularly oppresive,so good nidalees are likely to win in the early,whereas bad are likely to lose in the late(where she doesn't go weak,but stops being crazy op)
Additionally, tanks statistically counter her. Nunu, sion, sejuani, skarner, naut, amumu, voli, rammus, and maokai all tank her winrate. You are clearly just impatient and let her read your skill shots.
no,they just have a high winrate of their own,they aren't tanking anything but winrate in general.
bad arcade kitty13 votesmy last laning vs nid as kata i misclicked and started with shampoo -_- nid saw that, decided she can punish me hard, got very aggressive, got me low, towerdived and gave fb after that i simply harassed a bit behind the minions and then did the whole combo and killed her several times again
SpongebobIsLife6 votesyou started with shampoo? I hope you finished with conditioner. Sorry I had too..teehee
Sinlaire1 votesTeemo uses blood of the lamb
Kitten of Evil56 votesYou should have started with conditioner.
Thank you! I'll be here all week!
Timewinder41 votesKat new abilities:
Bouncing Baxter - Q
Sinister Suave - W
Shampoo - E
Dove Lotus - R
Blue Moon Wolf2 votesnew skin Idea: l'oriel 
IcyPepper14 votesWell, girl needs something for her hair after all that spinning...
Newt Daddy5 votesyou make my head spin right round right round
SwiftKitten889 votesi main nidalee mid so here are some tips. if yout not playing a counter to nidalee such are ahri, zed, or diana mid then focuign on staying behind your creep wave and killing thier creep wave. nidalee has a REALLY hard time last hitting under tower since the auto attack nerfs to her. and if your misnions are winning then you always have some to stand behind.
nidalee is very susceptible to stuns and any crowd control effects in general. even if she is rooted pounce is diabled and silence effect completly destroy her as it removed all her damage AND all her mobility leaving her a pretty much stationary squishy target with the weakest auto attack in the game.
another thing to realise is that nidalee donest usally build striaght damage first. unless your an AD mid and nid is building 
she will likely build into
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this means you can still enage pretty hard on her. and if you EVER see her miss a spear. THAT is the time to enage becuase that is when she weakest. (unless you somwhow step on a trap to trigger hunted without getting hit by a spear.
one thing to not when facing nidalee is DO NOT try to tp next to your portal (unless you have a stun and your baiting nid, in which case your mean :(, don't bait kitties) nidalee can farily easily towr dive your if she lands a spear becuase pounces cooldwon will reset if you pounce to a hunted target. this means nid will likely only take 2 tower shots which becuase if her heal usally isnt enough to kill her.
i cant really stress enough that if you keep pressure on nid and push the lane it makes it REALLY hard on her. if you get a few kills ahead you can freeze the lane but dont to freze lane if your even or behind with nid, make sure you always have minions to stand behind and when you dont, watch for spears (when their visible..., rito fix plz)
if you wantt o ALWAYS win vs nidalee here are some tips.
pick 
... regarless if nidalee lands a spear on ahri she CANNOT pounce in becuase douing so gets her a point blank charm to the face and by the time it wears off hunted has already worn off as well and nid is dead. whenever charmmis off cooldown play it really safe until it comes back up. becuase as long as charm is up nidalee poucing it will be certain death for her.
.. if yoour zed.. push your lane.. and poke nidalee you can do so for free. you can tower dive her and with your her horrible basic attack speed and damage she cant cs under tower. she will need all her mana for heals and wont be able to build mana regen becuase she is force to rush seekers once she is low ulti her and escape zed should never lose to nidalee.
,again nidalee cant really do much in this match becuase of diana's sheild and CC unless nidalee somhow got really fed by killing other lanes she wont be able to 1v1 you ever.
most other champs that counter nid are found in top and jungle thase are the tanky bruisers with any form of mobility and cc
all should win vs nid in lane
Holîday9 votesI like how everyone quoting her bad early game and high mana costs gets downvoted. You should really be able to get ahead of ap nid in lane pretty easily, and her big damage is all dependent on hitting spear, unless you're honestly dumb enough to step on traps. Push the lane early levels deny her farm and poke her, she cannot both heal and spam spears at you before she buys mana. I'll get downvoted for saying this but you just need to get better at the game. I'll get double downvoted for saying this but check out OP's rank as well as the people claiming nidalee is unbeatable's rank. Truth hurts but seriously just get better and then see if its still as bad as you think it is now
Saianna4 votesYou kinda forgot about her cat form. Her Q deals more DMG than Garens ultimate. On 3s cd.
Holîday1 votesYou kinda forgot about her cat form. Her Q deals more DMG than Garens ultimate. On 3s cd.
In what world is she just walking up to you to be in range for cougar form (without hunt bonus) and not getting cc'd and/or blasted with all of your skills? If you're getting out traded without her even marking you you've get bigger problems than just not being able to beat nid.
Saianna4 votesgetting "hunted" is rather easy. You misstep into trap or couldn't dodge 17th spear in a row..
So what if i cast all my spells on her, if in the end i'm dead while she can heal back to 100% while i'm respawning?
You might not believe me, but Nidalee with 400 ap + void staff deals 700 dmg with her cat Q against 300 mr tank. Because it scales on how much hp target has. I hoped Riot would remove that instead of traps %hp
Konidias5 votesBeating Nidalee is as easy as baiting out her spear...
Just walk out in the open where she has a clear shot at you, then wait for the spear throw, then sidestep it and go about your business. If she doesn't land spears, she loses lane.
Lil Soybean42 votesBeating Nidalee is as easy as baiting out her spear...
Just walk out in the open where she has a clear shot at you, then wait for the spear throw, then sidestep it and go about your business. If she doesn't land spears, she loses lane.
I did...over...and over...and over.
And then she landed one spear, and around 1/3rd of my hp was gone. She dove on me with her pounce, and I punished the bad engage by exhausting her and going ham.
So she goes. Oh, whoops. And repeatedly dashes away for free.
The exchange? I spend more mana and blow my exhaust. She goes back to chucking spears every few seconds.
Hawnda4 votesUp until a mana item (tear), Nidalee for sure struggles with mana. Her Q's are hard to land and she can only throw so many (6-7 max) before going oom. And sure she can spam as much as she wants with blue, but so could any other champion.
Plot twist, you're against Riven. Riven dash stuns you wow 1/3 of your hp is gone, gets punished by your "exhaust" and "going ham".
So she goes. Oh, whoops. And repeatedly dashes away for free.
RikoZerame12 votesNot that I'm taking either side at this point in time, but Riven doesn't have any heals or Nidalee's range.
Z466 votesRiven does, however, have:
Four mobility spells in Broken Wings and Valor; Broken Wings also acts as a wall jump. Nidalee's Pounce is on a low cooldown, but also requires her to land her spears to really be worth anything in a fight.
Two forms of CC: Broken Wings' third cast is an AoE knockup, and Ki Burst is an AoE stun that scales on 100% bonus AD. Nidalee has no CC.
A shield that scales on 100% bonus AD on a cooldown as low as 3.6 seconds. Primal Surge has a flat 12 second cooldown at all ranks. That's double Valor's cooldown.
Two methods of increasing her damage. Her passive gives her basic attacks up to 50% of her AD as extra damage, and her ultimate increases her total AD by 20%, which then further boosts her passive. Nidalee's damage, while extremely annoying, is completely reliant on landing her javelin, and she doesn't have that kind of insane power spike that instantly gives her the surprise ability to win a seemingly lost trade.
A ranged AoE execute. Nidalee's execute is a basic attack modifier.
Extremely low cooldowns, and no mana (or even energy!) costs. Broken Wings gets as low as 8 seconds after the first cast; Ki Burst gets to 4.2 seconds; Valor to 3.6; and Blade of the Exile (which has a 15 second duration) drops to 30 seconds with Riven's normal build path.
If we're putting the two in a lane against each other, Riven has a distinct advantage. Nidalee might try to be annoying, but she's forced to stay at range at all stages of the game against Riven, and can't go for an execute. She often isn't even able to get a significant amount of damage off with her spears thanks to Valor's scaling and cooldown, and a smart Riven would max Valor first in this situation to make sure the damage sustained is even lower. If Nidalee tries to dive in on a Hunted Riven, Riven has the CC and counter-damage to deal with her more than effectively.
Kapppaccino5 votesRiven does, however, have:
Four mobility spells in Broken Wings and Valor; Broken Wings also acts as a wall jump. Nidalee's Pounce is on a low cooldown, but also requires her to land her spears to really be worth anything in a fight.
Two forms of CC: Broken Wings' third cast is an AoE knockup, and Ki Burst is an AoE stun that scales on 100% bonus AD. Nidalee has no CC.
A shield that scales on 100% bonus AD on a cooldown as low as 3.6 seconds. Primal Surge has a flat 12 second cooldown at all ranks. That's double Valor's cooldown.
Two methods of increasing her damage. Her passive gives her basic attacks up to 50% of her AD as extra damage, and her ultimate increases her total AD by 20%, which then further boosts her passive. Nidalee's damage, while extremely annoying, is completely reliant on landing her javelin, and she doesn't have that kind of insane power spike that instantly gives her the surprise ability to win a seemingly lost trade.
A ranged AoE execute. Nidalee's execute is a basic attack modifier.
Extremely low cooldowns, and no mana (or even energy!) costs. Broken Wings gets as low as 8 seconds after the first cast; Ki Burst gets to 4.2 seconds; Valor to 3.6; and Blade of the Exile (which has a 15 second duration) drops to 30 seconds with Riven's normal build path.
If we're putting the two in a lane against each other, Riven has a distinct advantage. Nidalee might try to be annoying, but she's forced to stay at range at all stages of the game against Riven, and can't go for an execute. She often isn't even able to get a significant amount of damage off with her spears thanks to Valor's scaling and cooldown, and a smart Riven would max Valor first in this situation to make sure the damage sustained is even lower. If Nidalee tries to dive in on a Hunted Riven, Riven has the CC and counter-damage to deal with her more than effectively.
Let me remind you something. Riven is a bruiser, nidalee is played as an assassin. Bruisers tend to destroy assassins .-. So don't hate on riven for doing her job
Xonra11 votesBeating Nidalee is as easy as baiting out her spear...
Just walk out in the open where she has a clear shot at you, then wait for the spear throw, then sidestep it and go about your business. If she doesn't land spears, she loses lane.
Bait her spear, except she is still ranged and can poke you if you are melee.
You would just engage on her otherwise...except she is also melee with free abilities and can just jump away if you engage. Can toss out traps in pushes as well and bait you if you do have the balls to chase her for some reason.
If you win a trade you auto lose it since she also has a heal.
If you don't dodge just 1 spear she can pounce for free from the next game over, swipe, and jump away with free damage...and even if you get damage on her...still has that heal, and can go back to range harassing you while farming far too well.
She has no downside. She has free abilities in cat form, has a very long range poke that can chunk you with minimal ap, has one of the best heals in the game scaling wise for some reason, a free escape on a fairly low cooldown, and is ranged to poke you at will.
The fact that you think beating her is as easy as dodging spears is silly, and makes me wonder how often you have played as or against her. I can win a lane with Nid without even throwing a single spear at my opponent because they just can't win a trade. There is no even trade with Nid.Even if you get lucky and poke her down or get her to back off, she just heals. Sure a few other top laners can heal, but they don't have long range poke on top of it, plus the free escapes and super simple wave clear. It is all of her kit combined, not just the spear, or the heal, or the leap, etc, it is all of that in just one kit.
Konidias3 votesBait her spear, except she is still ranged and can poke you if you are melee.
Oh, you're melee... Well then your complaints are invalid.
Nobody cares that you can't win lane as melee with no gap closers vs ranged. You got countered, deal with it.
Lil Soybean18 votesOh, you're melee... Well then your complaints are invalid.
Nobody cares that you can't win lane as melee with no gap closers vs ranged. You got countered, deal with it.
But it's not about being melee. I wasn't a melee. I was a mage with skillshots.
lB2kGRlc8y6 votesThis is why i find transform champs cancerous, although elise never bothered me as much as the other two.
The5lacker2 votesJayce's problems all come from his Cannon Q dealing 392 (+ 168% bonus AD) damage.
lB2kGRlc8y2 votesAnd the fact that a good percentage of the damage he deals is magic, making him impossible to itemize against.
Sirsir1 votesBait her spear? Wat? Can't bait a 2 second CD dude (I thought I made this comment already...)
Konidias1 votesBait her spear? Wat? Can't bait a 2 second CD dude (I thought I made this comment already...)
Sure you can. I play Quinn against her. I bait her spear by standing out in the open. She throws spear. I dodge spear. I then run at her and engage with Vault for some damage, I bounce off with passive proc on her now, I AA her once for more damage. Then I throw a blind before she can get away for even more damage. Rinse/Repeat. Easy.
Nidalee is extremely squishy and susceptible to CC. Learn to dodge/predict the spear... it's quite simple. If you complain about her throwing spears from darkness that you can't dodge, then you are just bad. Either you need to ward better, or you need to pay attention to where you are standing... Don't stand where she can kite you with spears from outside of your vision. You know where the terrain is around you... so position yourself so she can't just stand in open terrain outside of your vision and throw spears at you.
Stop crying about how you can't do anything and maybe play a different champ. I have no sympathy for people crying about Nidalee when they are playing melee champs with no CC or gap closers.
You simply cannot claim a champ is OP or broken or make wild claims like "can't bait a 2 second CD dude" when you OBVIOUSLY have people telling you it's possible and not difficult, etc. I'm telling you Nidalee is easy to play against... you are telling me she's impossible to beat. Something doesn't add up here. So we have to break it down to figure out who is right:
Conclusion: Since I'm able to beat Nidalee consistently, I am proving she is easy to beat. You aren't proving she is hard to beat just by losing to her. You are just proving you aren't smart/good enough to beat her. Therefore, I am right and Nidalee is not OP.
BTW: No, I'm not a Nidalee main and this isn't a conspiracy... I don't even play Nidalee at all.
Kitten of Evil5 votesShe's easy to outlane in mid, at least. As for a melee top, I'd imagine there are far more obnoxiously oppressive lane opponents (Quinn and Darius come to mind)
metaworldpeace1014 votes[{quoted}](name=Kitten of Evil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7q98ORYU,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-03-25T00:41:08.172+0000)
She's easy to outlane in mid, at least. As for a melee top, I'd imagine there are far more obnoxiously oppressive lane opponents (Quinn and Darius come to mind)
Let's not defend Nidalee here. Nidalee is one of the most obnoxious top lane opponents to face (coming from a top lane main). Nidalee lacks interaction in lane, thus lacking counterplay. Nidalee is a horribly designed champion in the sense that she can sit back, chuck spears and not pay any price for it. Wanna engage on her? LOL nope, with her retarded mobility, low cooldowns and lack of mana costs, she can infinitely kite and poke you down. It's no fun playing against an AP Nidalee, regardless at what position she plays. Her kit is toxic and lacks much counterplay. She will be bitched about until we get a real rework on her and eliminate 1 or two core issues that she has (heal, free mobility, free wards, infinite poke)
bad arcade kitty4 votesLet's not defend Nidalee here. Nidalee is one of the most obnoxious top lane opponents to face (coming from a top lane main). Nidalee lacks interaction in lane, thus lacking counterplay. Nidalee is a horribly designed champion in the sense that she can sit back, chuck spears and not pay any price for it. Wanna engage on her? LOL nope, with her retarded mobility, low cooldowns and lack of mana costs, she can infinitely kite and poke you down. It's no fun playing against an AP Nidalee, regardless at what position she plays. Her kit is toxic and lacks much counterplay. She will be bitched about until we get a real rework on her and eliminate 1 or two core issues that she has (heal, free mobility, free wards, infinite poke)
she can't duel any bruiser at all you can simply stand among the minions and try to bully her when she approaches her only way to harass it will be aa (countered with armor) then and some champs still can punish her for that
actually there is a reason why she got significantly rarer on top nowadays
Sirsir13 votesYou don't have to duel when you have mobility like Nid. Just back up and keep pressing Q. She doesn't approach, she CSs. Hence the
or we both AFK farm
Since you can't force any interaction with her.
1st HanarSpectre2 votesLet's not defend Nidalee here. Nidalee is one of the most obnoxious top lane opponents to face (coming from a top lane main). Nidalee lacks interaction in lane, thus lacking counterplay. Nidalee is a horribly designed champion in the sense that she can sit back, chuck spears and not pay any price for it. Wanna engage on her? LOL nope, with her retarded mobility, low cooldowns and lack of mana costs, she can infinitely kite and poke you down. It's no fun playing against an AP Nidalee, regardless at what position she plays. Her kit is toxic and lacks much counterplay. She will be bitched about until we get a real rework on her and eliminate 1 or two core issues that she has (heal, free mobility, free wards, infinite poke)
I can name right off the top of my head 4 champ that are not only worse, I would actually rather face a Nidalee with a point and click spear rather than those. -Hecarim -Irelia -Yorick -Lissandra -Here have a bonus one, Ryze who's coming back. All of those are not only more annoying to face, they also have much higher team utility (Except Yoric, no utility, just 100% anti fun annoyance.)
KING OF MASKS5 votesLissandra, worse than Nidalee?
u wot m8
1st HanarSpectre2 votesYes, very much so. Quite especially if you happen to be a melee.
KING OF MASKS4 votesI play melee top laners constantly and I would rather face a Lissandra than a Nidalee in almost any matchup, with maybe a few exceptions.
A little context: my top lane pool consists of Darius, Sion, Garen, Volibear, Singed, and Nautilus (and Swain, but he isn't melee).
1st HanarSpectre2 votesLissandra is more painful to play against as you have no safe zone against her Q, that is unless you don't like to CS, in that case then you are fine. Add to that the fact that eve if you are currently winning lane, her W and R can make it very easy for jungle ganks to be fatal, plus after the laning phase, as far as teamfight goes, the ice witch is significantly more useful than a Nidalee.
KING OF MASKS5 votesIn short I find her way more tolerable than Nidalee in almost every circumstance (possible exceptions being Singed/Darius who are hurt badly by CC). Also, really appreciate those downvotes to my responses.
1st HanarSpectre2 votes[{quoted}](name=KING OF MASKS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7q98ORYU,comment-id=00070000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-25T02:36:16.754+0000)
- Her Q's range is several orders of magnitude shorter than Nidalee's spears; in general, if she's in range for her to land her poke, she's vulnerable to an engage.
- She has no sustain, unlike Nidalee.
- Personally I tend to find her AOE root very easy to bait (obviously this is more dependent on the Liss player's skill).
- Liss' mobility actually has mana costs, and in addition it takes a second to actually function.
- I would say that Nidalee's ability to catch and delete carries (if she's done well enough) balances out her lack of teamfight utility.
In short I find her way more tolerable than Nidalee in almost every circumstance (possible exceptions being Singed/Darius who are hurt badly by CC). Also, really appreciate those downvotes to my responses.
You can't hide from her Q, that's the point. You HAVE to be near minions in order to farm. She does indeed lack sustain, but has a lot more control, slows, snare and even a stun post 6 It also has a longer range, and give you some juking potential, aim one way, walk the other. If she lands a spear on the carries still still has to go into melee, at this point peeler's jcan get her off or scare her from ever going in in the first place. Additionally, for Nidalee, if someone is out of position, all she can do is damage. Lsisandra not only has good burst also, she stuns then for 2 then root them for her team. Getting caught by a Nidalee is much less dangerous than being caught by a Lissandra.
KING OF MASKS3 votesWe'll just have to agree to disagree then; you bring up good points but at the end of the day I find the prospect of an enemy Lissandra much more comfortable than a Nidalee. The latter is a thousand times more oppressive during the laning phase, and even in teamfights she's much more irritating (if a little less effective).
Godhri1 votesI feel like you only see it this way because you've never faced a good lissandra. Most lissandras I have seen are horrid at using her. She rips any champion that has to melee in lane regardless of whether they are AP or AD melee champs.
But this is something you will just have to experience. There's no sense in trying to convince you when your experience so far is telling you Nidalee is more oppressive.
KING OF MASKS5 votesThat may be true, though I feel I've faced the matchup enough times to be confident of my abilities. Although that's another thing to consider: it could be argued that you can more easily exploit a bad Lissandra's mistakes, while a comparatively poor Nidalee can still cheese her way to victory (via infinite escapes/sustain/etc.).
Might also have to do with the fact that Nidalee is a slightly more common sight (at least as far as I can tell), and thus her particular brand of annoyance is fresher in my mind.
