Stop assuming champions are terribly weak just because they're uncommon.

Lil Soybean·5/9/2015, 1:34:12 AM·93 votes·4,379 views

Imagine calling Hecarim strong a bit over a month ago, and seeing how many people would laugh. Because he was never played.

Imagine playing Kennen right before he became popular in the LCS, and seeing all the people laugh about your "trollpick."

Think about how useless Lissandra was considered before she became a 100% pick/ban toplaner in the LCS earlier this year/late last year. It wasn't the result of buffs. It was just untapped potential that was discovered after being used in the LCS.

Think about how Xerath was just an obscure midlaner who was considered weak due to the unreliability of his ultimate, before he became a staple midlaner after some LCS players demonstrated his power.

Think about how many of YOU would have laughed and called me a baddie if, one month ago, I said Cho'Gath was actually quite strong and viable both in mid and toplane.

Think about how shitty people considered Zed, before some skillful players showed that he's one of the strongest champions in the entire game.

Now stop, and consider that YOU ARE THAT PERSON. If you're sitting here calling a champion unviable trash because you rarely see them, then you ARE being that person, who assumes anything off-meta/uncommon must be trash. If you're sitting here saying, "wow Riot, Bard is a total failure, so fuckin weak" then you're following that exact same path. Even Imaqtpie, who's been playing botlane for years and years, **considers Bard one of the strongest supports in the game since his buffs. ** But you rarely see Bard, and when you do, it's a random soloq player playing them at a mediocre level - so you assume he's trash.

Why? Not because they're actually trash. But because of confirmation bias. When you assume a champion is shitty due to being uncommon, then if you ever see that champion die, or have any sort of weakness whatsoever, you just affirm to yourself what you already believe; "Yeah, see, I knew it, X champ is just shit, plain and simple."

This isn't a "go break the meta!!" post.
This is just a post to say, "stop calling champions shit and demanding Riot buff them just because you don't see them often."

That's all.
Sorry for the impatience.

Thanks for reading, friends.

102 Comments

AbyssionKnight5/9/2015, 3:38:17 AM20 votes

While I support the OPs message, it isn't entirely true. Nerfs to other champions that are meta picks also effects how viable niche picks are. So as picks that counter certain champions are nerfed, those champions that used to be countered, while not personally changing, find themselves in a situation where they suddenly have less opposition. That in turn means they have more chances to shine and show off their potential.

It's not just a simple matter of a champion being discovered.

Snake Town5/9/2015, 4:18:10 PM16 votes

People used to get mad when I played Nautilus support instead of jungle, now they get mad if i play him jungle instead of support

Lil Soybean5/9/2015, 2:01:14 AM9 votes

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EDIT: Why in the world was I downvoted for bumping my thread once? Lol.

Shroom Junkie5/9/2015, 2:30:25 AM6 votes

The only champion I would even possibly consider 'weak' is Teemo. Yes, Teemo. Worse early game than Vayne in any lane, and unless he can shut down his lane, he's pretty useless besides global pokes with his ult, which isn't that good unless he has hell a lot of AP, which again, requires him to shut down his opposing laner.

Rest of them? Never. Not even Bard. Bard just requires MAJOR team work; team speak, good communication, good execution in certain areas(who to target, when and where Bard should ult, or Magical Journey, when he should roam or not, etc.

TheRakkun5/9/2015, 12:44:03 PM4 votes

Hi there, have you heard about Shurima? Azir

Old Man Teeto5/9/2015, 10:25:24 AM4 votes

Hecarim was seeing play well over 6 months ago as a Mid-laner by Keane and carrying games.

Lissandra rose the moment they nerfed mana regeneration items a shit ton while making wave clear nearly impossible, meaning more team fights and hard engage. (Athene's recently buffed, Lissandra disappears)

Kennen also came back because of mana/team fighting. Seen in support by Edward from Gambit long time a go, so support Kennen is not new.

Xerath was played as a Ziggs replacement for wave clear stall late game AP threat after Ziggs got nerfed. Not seen since minions buffed, Ziggs seen since he was buffed.

Cho'gath saw a huge bugfix to overlapping CC which had kept him out of competitive play for nearly 2 years due to its frequent occurrences on him. Anti-assassin, was being used as a counterpick.

Zed on release was awful as he had literally no good itemization meaning he had to stomp really hard really fast to win games. The very next season they gave a ton of items designed for AD Assassin's bringing Kha'zix and Zed to the forefront.

Imaqtpie's impression on Bard may be wrong or right, Bard has insane weaknesses that are easily exploitable and strengths which can be difficult to coordinate. Bard as a general pick for someone who hasn't played the support role/Bard specifically is a TERRIBLE idea, however in team play with experience Bard could turn out to be a new insane pick. If the win rate of Soloque compared to Ranked 5's is any form of comparison we see Bard doing VASTLY better with a coordinated team. I still consider him a mediocre to bad pick by random players in random games.


Sometimes you have to look at WHY champions rose to power, they might not change, but the game changes around them to a degree that they are strong or weak.

Urgot returned to the game because of a BUFF to his W and a change of his lane (to mid) since putting an AD in the mid lane forced lane opponents into poor item routes for the early/mid game and the prevalence of running an AP top laner (Rumble etc).

Sivir returned to the game because team fight compositions could REALLY use her ultimate to the fullest.

Tank junglers returned because of Cinderhulk.


Champions are good/bad on a game by game basis. If I pick Corki when the enemy team has Tank top/Tank jungle/Tank support and my team has Lulu mid, Maokai top, Sejuanni jungle..... My team will have very little damage and very little physical damage. Corki isn't a bad champion, but HORRIBLE for THAT game. If I'd picked Jinx/Vayne/Caitlyn/Sivir etc, they would've been strong picks.

LifeCyclesTWA5/9/2015, 5:43:39 AM3 votes

I wrote a thread similar to this not long ago, I agree full-heartedly.

I shit on kids all day with Mordekaiser :)

(this is a Morde only account huehuehue)

League of Potato5/9/2015, 8:09:14 PM3 votes

I always went Nautilus support, long before it was popular. I mean being a support main and enjoying playing with non-meta champions makes the game a lot more interesting. But looking into his kit like he does a decent amount of damage, he probably has the most CC in the game, and what ADC doesn't love a support that has a shit ton of CC? I honestly didn't understand why more people hadn't tried him as a support.

Sometimes I will just scroll through my champions and see which one could theoretically good as a support. I love playing Brand , but he tends to become another APC (same with Annie Veigar Xerath Velkoz) I remember trying Ziggs support and that definitely didn't go very well, but we were countered pretty hard in lane so I'm still indifferent about him.

SociopathFriend5/9/2015, 4:48:54 PM3 votes

I'm fine with people underestimating champions, then I can just roll up with champions like Diana and steamroll them because they have no idea how to fight them.

I don't have issues with Meta-Breaking so much as the attitude of meta-breakers: I'm gonna go Kallista mid! Why? Cause I'm gonna break the meta! You're going to lose fully half of your champion's kit. Fuck you, the meta isn't everything!

^This happened somewhat recently.

Fertsa5/9/2015, 7:52:33 PM3 votes

Since the rework every time i pick ryze everyone gets on my case about it saying "New ryze is so weak" and "Noob picked ryze, gg"

Then i get first blood and they have second thoughts. then they think i'm fine holding alone and don't know that new ryze goes oom fast.

Then i die and they go "I KNEW IT NEW RYZE IS TRASH"

all that happened is i went oom and i didn't want to back with the enemy on my turret but the jungler refused to help and called me trash for dying while oom. srsly wtf.

My Nyas5/9/2015, 2:04:03 AM2 votes

Upvoted so fast. Also; don't judge people in champion select because they chose an uncommon pick that they might believe is good and viable.

SpinCycleMKV5/9/2015, 3:49:33 AM2 votes

I get yelled at for playing Kayle sometimes, especially if I do bad which isn't too often (60% win rate).

Ariel the Cruel5/9/2015, 4:51:05 AM2 votes

Now stop, and consider that YOU ARE THAT PERSON.

I've had more luck with more "Troll" picks than you can shake a Teemo at. XD

Why? Not because they're actually trash. But because of confirmation bias.

I consider Kalista a shitty champion. . . . Though for entirely different reasons. (F Kali)

blkh15/9/2015, 2:24:16 AM2 votes

There is a very conservative view at times here. When did Naut become a support? When did Morg become nearly strictly a support? We are playing a game online. Does the internet basically scream out "Innovate!"? Try new things. Some will fail, some will succeed. Don't just stick to the status quo. Be willing to accept that something doesn't work though.

terkmc5/9/2015, 12:44:45 PM2 votes

BeMordekaiser Team complain because muh no cc, muh non-meta Feed first blood because shitty early game Team threaten report Proceed to take over the lane, 20 cs advantage, force opponent back constantly Jungle gank Muh Double Kill Carry team, enemy team screaming Morde op Such is life Hue

Preacher Saiba5/9/2015, 3:27:49 PM2 votes

Honestly if i saw an uncommon pick i thought the opposite,i assumed that they were good with the champ since it was a niche pick and played way more defensively.

Spacesuit Spiff5/9/2015, 4:15:06 AM2 votes

Something I'll add is that teams will often go "leona jungle gg" and play sloppy, and then she takes a dump on them. Even if you think you're getting a free win, play diligently to capitalize on it.

(It's also annoying to me that whenever my main gets picked in the LCS, he's permaban for a day or so and then never banned otherwise Nautilus )

AbsoluteSadman5/10/2015, 2:09:38 AM1 votes

Jax Anivia Amumu TwistedFate Galio Jayce

Uncommon totally means weak right guys?

wIwU0zi0sC5/10/2015, 10:42:50 AM1 votes

Love it when people call my garen pick troll or trash, then proceed to climb, I remember back In silver that people say I wont climb with him past gold, now plat IV and still climbing. Just ignore the guys who thinks they know what best for you, do what you do best.