GG welcome your new poke overlords 
Not that i like fleet footed as it negated all damage they took in lane, stuff like those champions is going to be hyper annoying to lane against.
or
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+4 health pots, is going to be pretty much the only start you can go.
D357R0Y3R8 votesNo sustain bot lane?
lol
Metallikaiser1 votesAs a bot player, this.
wildfox998 votesi think you only got used to this boosted rune
ADCs (at least hypercarryes) are not supposed to trade with a poke support such as sona during their laning phase,the insane sustain of footwork made it possible since they would just heal back the damage while the support can't (at least not that much and they still have to use resources),making it pointless
ADC players just have to get used to respect a poke support damage and play around his kit instead of harrassing them like an angry monkey every time they are in their AA range
anyway if you want some sustain you can still get it from items ( 
) or runes such as taste of blood,you just have to give up something now as it is supposed to be (you want sustain? so you give up damage/utility,getting **always ** bot was unhealty)
Acheron162 votesDefine "trade".
Every single one of these guys just Q you for a third of your HP whenever you try to take CS. Or are you saying that squishy low early damage adcs should back every 3 minutes due to retarded poke?
LordGeovanni6 votes???? is Fleet of footwork removed and 
no longer provide lifesteal?
Adcs never got sustain from hp5 and a loss of 0.4 hp5 wont change that.
Not to mention they have more overall hp to buffer the poke.
I dont see your reasoning other than 'A nerf came through so its gonna be effective because its a nerf'. Rather than 'A significant nerf came through' as if adcs ever relied on hp/5
You could make adcs hp5 0 and it wouldn't matter significantly because thats not how adcs sustain.
saltran1 votesFleetF is being gutted for adcs and the life steal that D Sword has is a joke, if you want sustain on lane you get Shield which is really strong.
LordGeovanni2 votesYou mean unfair things that never should have happened (crit heal) are being removed and they still can use it better than anyone else who would like to use it? Again less sustain doesn't mean bad sustain it just means less than you had before but still more than trying to say 
will do more for you than (unless of course you only plan to afk under tower all lane which i notice many adcs think is a viable strategy. epecially when they have an engage support)
Acheron163 votes80% of mid mages can use it, but they are too busy crying about how they dont have damage runes (remember the 50 FUCKING % AP ratio it has now)
LordGeovanni1 votesI agree Mages can Use fleet of footwork just as well as adcs they just are crying about attack speed doesnt help them but that attack speed would have helped them when they were crying about losing the 5 hidden damage.
Acheron161 votesIf 9 or 12 AP is making the difference then they have bigger problems.
saltran1 votesDude I'm not saying that it's wrong that they nerf it, but the fact is that FleetF is getting HUGE nerfs for adcs and it will be probably a not worth to run keystone. Do you agree with that?
LordGeovanni1 votesI dont think the Nerf is that relevant. So no i dont agree with that. I Think adcs can pick any percussion sorcery and 2 domination keystones and do near the same thing if people know how to play each of those match ups rather than just playing every match up the same.
AirKingNeo1 votesD-Blade still gives lifesteal.
LordGeovanni1 votesexactly
saltran4 votesLaughs in Sarah Fortune
AFilthyCaitMain4 votes
:omegalul:
Its All Skillzz1 votes
ya losing 60 of my hp everytime i go to last hit on lower ranged adcs is going to be fun. even worst if she has something like brand or sona or nami with her.
saltran2 votesCaitlyn also uses FleetF and her only viable build is getting huge nerfs so she wont be strong imo.
LordGeovanni1 votesYou do realize adcs are not getting any nerfs to effectiveness damage or otherwise but rather the timeing at which they receive the first completed attack speed item right?
Its All Skillzz2 votesYou do realize adcs are not getting any nerfs to effectiveness damage or otherwise but rather the timeing at which they receive the first completed attack speed item right?
entire adc build went up over 1200g for crit, there is no early sustain now so poke champs are going to make farming harder. still have to worry bout being poked an then when you go to back being dived by mid/jungle, lost 6+ armor at lvl 1 which is massive means the support is gonna do more damage to you with their AA, same with the assassins or anyone who builds lethallity you will be getting hit true damage almost, every adc lost around 4-5 ad early thats almost like starting the game withou a doran blade, all they gained was 7-10 hp at lvl 1 and minor hp buff to their hp per lvl, rofl look at their stats posted, ezreal lost 6 armor 4 ad and gained 7 hp at lvl 1 lol.
LordGeovanni1 votesI did the math already you only lost late game healing of crits which was unfair in the first place because no other class could viably build crit except a few outliers while they were still getting the benifit of ad from fleet of footwork. again Cost effectiveness nerf not an actual effectivness nerf. Adcs lost 5 armor for most of them which is equal to 0.03% damage resistance while getting 16 more base hp and 6 more hp/ level that will help them versus poke that mostly come in the form of magic damage. Adcs did not lose 4-5 ad they lost 4 ad exactly every single one of them and by level 6 they make up that 4 ad with an extra .2 ad and scale even harder from there. the ad they are gaining more than makes up for loss through gold cost and are getting more effecive items with ie and bonus penetration changing to total penetration.
Leonerdo4 votes
is coming back, baybeeee
3ternalkarma3 votes[{quoted}](name=Its All Skillzz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7o4cbhTT,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-30T18:58:44.916+0000)
GG welcome your new poke overlords
no sustain mentions Soraka..... wat
Velzard of Koz2 votesHe lists those champions as those who will abuse you now due to lack of sustain, not ones that will suffer due to lack of sustain.
And yeah, while Soraka may sound like weird choice on the list since her Q isn't extra reliable and she needs Mana hungry combo, she is annoying poker, just not on level of others like Brand or Vel.
IcyPepper1 votesto be fair Soraka has to be annoying with her poke for her own sustain, since she's a bleeding blood bank
If she's not poking, she's not sustaining well.
Daddy Ants1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zyra Bót,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7o4cbhTT,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-05-30T20:42:23.300+0000)
no sustain mentions Soraka..... wat
Not seen E max Soraka yet have you?
The poke is absurd for a champion that's meant to be a healer.
Nyarlathοtep2 votesWell the healing was pretty big which basically negated all poke. With some outlines.
Jbels1 votesAssuming most or all of these champions didn't feel like donkey balls to play against in the first place?
Dralyne1 votesPlay smarter, work better with your support, and the problem is solved. Maybe not so much in Solo Q but if you're an ADC it may be smart to find a support friend that gets how the synergy is supposed to work in bot lane ;-)
AirKingNeo1 votespfff, just take fleet as melee in bot lane
time for kayle adc with fleet, melee a minion, get full healing on it and run out, and then go ranged.
DoktorKaiser1 votesThis should fix multiple things:
poke ADC will dominate the lane as they should since their late game is fucking garbage, except who will be a problem as per usual
healing supports should heal instead of poking me for half my hp like 
do nowadays, there still needs to be a ton of work on runes which boost their damage to unfair levels, there needs to be a gutting either in damage from runes or their base damages and there should be a clear rune for healing champions
mage supports will be a viable lane counterpick to late game ADCs as they should be
late game ADC WILL BE FUCKING PUNISHED EARLY AS THEY SHOULD BE, I am sick and tired of 
and other ones that have bullshit late game damage dueling fucking 
early because they can sustain forever with fleet footwork, they need to lose lane unless they HEAVILY outplay
ADCs will need to buy fucking lifesteal again, there was a time when ADCs not only bought a lifesteal item but they also had to buy a defensive item such as 
or old 
, now all they buy is crit and new just to make sure that they are safe as fuck, they need to be FORCED to get some lifesteal and trade it for either crit or armor pen, atm they can have everything easily
Daedric Etwahl2 votesSona isnt really a healing champion in lane though. Her heal is far too weak and expensive early to use it for much meaningful sustain. That early on it's more of a shield than anything.
Plus Sona's always been a support focusing on poke early on, then transitioning to a more traditional support after lane phase (unless you're building full AP but that's a different story)
Plus all of Sona's real damage is tied into her autos, opening her up to trades or even all-ins.
LordGeovanni1 votesIf you are playing a champions with considerable no defenses built you dont get to complain about taking damage from supports
DoktorKaiser1 votesIf you are playing a champions with considerable no defenses built you dont get to complain about taking damage from supports
I am not saying they should deal zero damage, but if Soraka and Janna, the definitons of healing/shielding supports started to max their only damaging ability so they can poke you for 50% of hp, you can tell that the state of the game is pathetic atm. Even the champions who deal least damage in the game can blow you up now.
LordGeovanni1 votesYou mean because they arent sheild / heal maxing because they continuously get nerfs when adcs and assassins complain.