Can akali get counterplay other than dont be near me? after 6 and 1 item.

Its All Skillzz··57 votes·14,869 views

Seriously what the fuck, why does she have 3 800 range gap closers and built in sustain and no matter how hard you smack her in lane soon as she gets 6 and half a gunblade she is going to tower dive you. She has no skillshots everything is point an click, she has stealth she has sustain, the only thing she dont got is CC but who needs CC when its impossible to escape her or even hit her when she goes invis. no wonder her ass is most mained champion by challenger players.

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Khristophoros44 votes

This is why she's slated for a full VGU

AirKingNeo9 votes

then at least nerf her into oblivion so her insanely toxic design and overhealing to win lane isn't an issue.

IP Masquerena4 votes

Wow...10 healing every 8 second early game...much over heal. You sure you aren't that Malphite I fought a while ago that using 1 cheese wheel on me per minute then cry I regen too much?

Ever heard of Hexdrinker or Executioner's Calling? Don't worry, you're not the only one who never heard of them.

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She heals way too much for dealing dmg to minions and is manaless, so it's really not fun, especially post 6.

Not every champ can get hexdrinker or exec(especially the latter). Additionally, she does mixed dmg.

Most top laners can get bramble, but that doesn't stop her since she heals off minions.

Her pre-6 laning pattern is basically a better vlad.

IP Masquerena4 votes

A better Vlad? Can I have what you're smoking? I've been looking everywhere for the good stuff.

Between levels 1 and 6, her healing is at max a whooping 20 per 8 sec. If she heals too much on minions, with this numbers, that's not her problem, it's your fault. You shouldn't let her near creeps. Trade and trade smart. 40 healing every 16 sec is less than 1 auto, so again, if she does heal too much from creeps, it's on you for letting her.

The guy above stated that you can't use Executioner's as melee, that's bs and he knows it. Hexdrinker is a super sweet item on anyone with AD scaling and/or uses a lot of autos (hello TF and Katarina).

Tammy dudes can indeed use Bramble, but they can also use Hexdrinker, as it's upgrade, Maw, heals from all damage done, not just physical. So even ranks can use it, and Akali can't even farm against a tank with those 2 items and lane management.

I'm an Akali main with a sweet winrate on her and even sweeter against her, because I know what I need to watch my ass out for and i know low elos won't punish me.

If she's near creeps, don't let her, that simple.

She can abuse mistakes but she's easy to punish, yet the biggest mistake people make against her is that they let her heal, let her farm, they don't play properly against her.

She isn't as strong as you guys make her be, she only does that because you let her.

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BASICALLY a better vlad

Vlad heals for ~25 every 9 seconds with his Q, but he also has empowered Q, which can't be compared with Akali. The difference is Vlad is encouraged to spam his Q more because of crimson rush. On top of that, the healing is linked to his harass/dueling ability. Akali is just a passive attached to autoattacks. This means akali can still poke you while healing and has arguably better lane control.

If she heals too much on minions, with this numbers, that's not her problem, it's your fault. You shouldn't let her near creeps. Trade and trade smart. 40 healing every 16 sec is less than 1 auto, so again, if she does heal too much from creeps, it's on you for letting her.

That depends on the champs. She can just QE aa W out and win many trades. Most top laners can't handle poke/burst types of short trades. This was seen with the arcane comet tanks a while ago. Top laners thrive in extended trades and it's very difficult to force akali into one (same with Vlad) unless they make a mistake. It is very hard for top laner kits to play around that.

Making mistakes is not counterplay.

There is no way to "not let her near creeps." This is just as true with akali as it is for Aatrox, Xin, Trynd, Vlad, Talon and many others. You can't just stand in the waves and expect nothing to happen.

Unlike vlad, Akali will lose out on a lot more CS. That does not stop her from healing or trading, or chain dashing you at lvl 6.

The guy above stated that you can't use Executioner's as melee, that's bs and he knows it. Hexdrinker is a super sweet item on anyone with AD scaling and/or uses a lot of autos (hello TF and Katarina)

Exec is annoying because most top laners just don't get Mortal Reminder. Those that do, don't want to rush it. The champs that can synergize with executioner's generally can't afford to pay the 800 and skip out on their first core item/boots and would be better off without the item. Exec is good vs vlad because he's more of a battle mage and constantly healing. With akali, she just waits for grev.wounds to wear off (1.5s of not being attacked by a melee, whoo). Exec isn't worth buying vs her.

Hexdrinker is bad because it's too niche. It's only good vs a team with lots of AP champs. At 1300 gold, it also ends up taking the spot of the first core item and that can be absolutely crippling. Most jglers are AD, and Hexdrinker is just pure garbage vs that.

With akali's playstyle and how often she spams Q, spirit mantle would be better, but that item can only be bought by bruisers. Fighters don't get that luxury.

Tammy dudes can indeed use Bramble, but they can also use Hexdrinker, as it's upgrade, Maw, heals from all damage done, not just physical. So even ranks can use it, and Akali can't even farm against a tank with those 2 items and lane management.

Er tanks should never get hexdrinker. Ever. Lane management and buying bramble counteract each other. When you buy bramble, just like with tiamat, you give up lane control for better trading. That's just how it is. Additionally, bramble needs akali to attack you. Good luck with that.

That aside, I don't think tanks have an issue laning against akali. It's most fighters and bruisers.

I'm an Akali main with a sweet winrate on her and even sweeter against her, because I know what I need to watch my ass out for and i know low elos won't punish me.

Low elo is irrelevant. It's too flunctuative.

If she's near creeps, don't let her, that simple.

That doesn't work in high elos because it opens you up to ganks, and top lane is the easiest lane to gank. This applies to Akali and every other type of similar champ. What you're suggesting as counterplay is basically "don't let her cs" except on a more extreme level. People are already denying her cs. It is pretty easy to do that pre-6 on most champs. But it is damn near impossible to just stop her from attacking minions.

She can abuse mistakes but she's easy to punish, yet the biggest mistake people make against her is that they let her heal, let her farm, they don't play properly against her.

The biggest mistake you can make IS playing against her and constantly trying to stop her from healing and farming. That playstyle throws off lane control, opens you up to Akali punishing you for overaggression (which she can do very easily), and most importantly makes you vulnerable to ganks. The counterplay to Akali just can't be done unless you want to suffer even greater losses.

Generally, you wind up compromising and only harassing her and denying some farm (as you do with most matchups). That, however, isn't enough to stop her.

She isn't as strong as you guys make her be, she only does that because you let her. She's strong in that you have to let her get strong or get crapped on.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

wait what? O_O

Vlad is one of the gods of competitive play because of his all around safety and teamfight power, how is Akali comparable in any way?

IP Masquerena6 votes

No no no. The guy didn't say she is comparable to him, he said that she's better than him when it comes to sustain.

Don't missunderstand the circle jerkers.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

Yeah the circle jerk is strong here x)

Vlad actually heals more than akali ever does until she gets gunblade, and the only time she heals more is when spamming E on minions.

Then for actual teamfights vlad can heal a metric ton per enemy champion and yet akali is the one who heals too much x)'

The only notable thing about akali is the triple gapcloser.....but she kinda lacks anything beyond that, her scaling is not outstanding and she is as squishy as any assassin. ' Only time she ever gets difficult is when fed, otherwise she just blows up without doing anything at all.

I am much more scared of a good Renekton,Camilie Fiora, jax or even a kled than i am Akali, these guys might not gapclose all that quickly but if they get on you its going to be very damn painful.

IP Masquerena2 votes

Akali can punish mistakes, and the biggest mistake made by players against her, is that they don't punish her.

"She heals too much just by farming" - what in the world is she doing near the creeps? Like, you're against her, you shouldn't let her.

"I throw my skill shot stun, she side steps and kills me, but if I would've hit my stun, she would've died to my combo" - then why did you throw it randomly? Wait for an opening then kill her. She won't jump if she knows you'll kill her, so just poke her out.

Yet the best was from a Yasuo I faced a while ago: Yasuo - "Akali is OP, you kill me before I can deal enough damage, as you are good at dodging tornadoes so you always get out with just enough hp to survive" Me - "Why didn't you buy a Hexdrinker then? Would've gave you enough room to kill me, or maybe an Executioner's Calling to cut my healing down?" Yasuo - "I didn't got Hexdrinker because I need damage to kill you, but what is Executioner's Calling? I never heard of it"

(Yea, I do offer tips to my opponents on how to beat me if they are genuinely bad players, because by that point, the game is over, but at least they will deal a bit better with an Akali next games)

But then again, people cry OP when the champ is actually balanced, or even on the weak side. Nothing we can do but move on.

Its All Skillzz4 votes

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Akali can punish mistakes, and the biggest mistake made by players against her, is that they don't punish her.

"She heals too much just by farming" - what in the world is she doing near the creeps? Like, you're against her, you shouldn't let her.

"I throw my skill shot stun, she side steps and kills me, but if I would've hit my stun, she would've died to my combo" - then why did you throw it randomly? Wait for an opening then kill her. She won't jump if she knows you'll kill her, so just poke her out.

Yet the best was from a Yasuo I faced a while ago: Yasuo - "Akali is OP, you kill me before I can deal enough damage, as you are good at dodging tornadoes so you always get out with just enough hp to survive" Me - "Why didn't you buy a Hexdrinker then? Would've gave you enough room to kill me, or maybe an Executioner's Calling to cut my healing down?" Yasuo - "I didn't got Hexdrinker because I need damage to kill you, but what is Executioner's Calling? I never heard of it"

(Yea, I do offer tips to my opponents on how to beat me if they are genuinely bad players, because by that point, the game is over, but at least they will deal a bit better with an Akali next games)

But then again, people cry OP when the champ is actually balanced, or even on the weak side. Nothing we can do but move on.

those tips are fucking garbage, she deals mixed damage, hex will only delay your dying, she cant be peeled in solo without cc or escape. i know this ive played champs like ezreal into her and sent her to 0-4 but the moment she hits 6 and gets a cutlass/revolver she will legit dive you. you cant escape her even on someone with a free low cd flash like ezreal. executioner is only gonna stop her healing if you can hit her, if you go an akali with only that item she is going to smack you due to it giving no real stats. dont be mad that you are stuck silver even though you main a champ with next to 0 counterplay other than dont be near me. https://youtu.be/_iM4fY2dm3k here i was 4-0 this was taken later, but my first death to her was at 7 mins under tower she was lvl 7 i was 4-0 lvl 8 and she had a revolver and a dark seal, i had doran ring 2 longswords and a lost chapter. she continued to do this same fucking thing everytime i returned to lane, weither i was under tower or not. pretty bull shit when she was 1-2 and i was 4-0. look how safe im playing despite having a huge gold lead over her. and she flashes half the lane and kills me on 1 of the most mobile champs in the game.

Thefrostyviking5 votes

Duuuuude.

You were playing fricking glass cannon ezreal.

Akali is a assassin, a champion literally designed to screw any marksman or carry that cant peel them off, and she in particular is mainly designed to be hard to escape from with her ulti, in return her damage is lower than the other assassins and her scalings are worse.

That video? Its perfectly natural, no one will ever say otherwise, probably more people thinking its nice seeing slippery Ez die than anything.

So please, if you do dare, make a video off your first death, i dare bet you were either low or lost most of your health long before she towerdived you.

That or you didnt have flash/E or even Q when she went forward resulting in you taking her entire combo to the face and not dealing any damage in return while she only barely gets out post 3 towershots.

Huge gold lead? Where?

Your entire build amounts to 3750 gold, hers is 3335 gold.

Basically 1 kill and a bit extra, a longsword+potions.

"I have a big lead! I shouldnt be killable!"

No you thoughtless person you, akali was seriously 1 kill+little extra under in terms of gold spent and she is a damn assassin specialized on gapclosing and anti squishy.

Meanwhile you were on Ezreal, a marksman who is intentionally make to be entirely useless if you can gapclose even if he uses his E and possibly flash too.

Assassin>marksman.

Akali = assassin with gap-closer specialty.

Ezreal = marksman with escape specialty.

This is how you should view it.

So, not only were you two actually close in gold, equal in level and so but you were playing a champ that is kinda garbage into anything that can stick on him into one of the few champs that is specialized in sticking.

I´ll wont be mincing words with you, picking Ezreal into Akali, possibly the worst matchup that even exists for him midlane, means you almost deserve to lose regardless of what you do.

Much like playing a melee aggro into a talon early means you lose, much like not respecting a Annie midlane means you lose.

Or a Draven botlane for that matter or Renekton toplane if you prefer.

If the matchup is bad you simply dont go forward against those, you hide under tower, get some cheap defensive stat items and play really damn passively.

This is how bad matchups work.

IP Masquerena1 votes

Leave him be, he thinks he is some super challenger level player that even Faker would want to study under.

No point in continuing, he'll just tell you that no matter what he would've played, she would've still do the same, because, y'know, only counter play is side stepping skill shots, builds, play patters, anything else? Those don't matter, if you can dodge a skill, it's counter play. At least that's what I got from him.

If he wants to play Kalista, Ez, or the like in mid lane, who are Akali's food when it comes to the food chain, obviously she has no counter play, but it's not Akali at fault there, but hey, he can't grasp that.

EDIT: Just rewatched the vid to make sure, that Akali was at worst case scenario a 0-2, but she got fed somewhere, as even assuming he died 1v1 to her, and noone else, and only to her, meaning she was the reason he died 2 times, then someone else, before he died to her, gave her a kill.

That's the best case scenario for him, the worst is that he died to someone else twice, while she got 3 kills on someone else, and now gets her first kill on him. We can't know.

Thefrostyviking3 votes

I managed to find a op.gg timeline on Akali, she killed him twice before the time in the video OP linked above, and he had a killstreak at that point with 3 kills on WW and 1 on the Akali.

She had one of a pyke.

And then she somehow kills him the moment she hits 6, presumably because she got ontop of him.

That happened much the same right after once, then another as shown in the video above.

I dont even know <.<

IP Masquerena1 votes

Which not only means he was lying that he was 4-0, but he also decided to not give info on the fact that she did get kills in some other lanes just to "prove his point" (won't even mention the fact that he "sent her back as 0-4", as that can be questionable and he did it in another game, but oh well)

Maybe she just abused the xp bar, I did that a few times, go in when I'm level 1/5 (depending on power spike), the enemy doesn't see my bar, so he thinks I missplay or w/e, then surprise level up, [insert Reaper punch line here]

Still, it was fun seeing him die like that XD plus the vid shows her having more farm, and if he indeed "stomped" her pre 6 as he likes to imply, she wouldn't be able to catch up in farm that fast, not to mention overtake him by 10 cs. So basically, he allowed her to free farm, and guess what I kept saying a lot this thread?

That video proves our point more than his.

Still, good job on the scouting :D

Thefrostyviking1 votes

nonon, he wasnt lying about the 4,0 part, rather he did get 4 kills.....but 3 of Akali´s jungler who rationally gave him less and less gold and then one on her.

Then she kills him for a fat bounty at 7 minutes in, presumably by directly cheesing him and the towerdive is presumably just her finishing him off when he was already low.

But the rest is as i wrote, and you raise and excellent point about farm too, if he was stomping so hard why in the world was Akali able to farm?

IP Masquerena1 votes

I see, so at least he did get the 4-0, but not on her.

From the fact that she was outfarming him by 10 minions when the video was shown, that's 1 wave and a bit more than half, then Akali couldn't had been behind in farm, or at least, not by much. I'd give a 10 cs difference at max when he died first time to her, you said at 7 mins, from 7 mins to 10 when the vid starts, there are 6 creep waves, 6 x 6 = 36, with a tank minion in between (sorry, it's a bit late, so I can't calculate exactly if there were 2 tank minions or just 1, so I'll assume 1), that's a total of 37 minions.

Considering both were farming, she would need to get 20 creeps more than him in the course of 3 minutes. I can't say a cs difference more than 10, since then it would be almost impossible for her to get ahead of him in cs. Getting 20 cs while he was dead, or backing, isn't something incredible, so it's plausible.

So she wasn't just farming, like, getting scraps with Q, or hiding in W to get a few cs, she was farming very well, meaning he did little early game to actually zone her from farming.

But there's also the possibility: was she outfarming him all along? If yes, then why?

I said I give him a 10 cs lead because even that is already stretching it to make it plausible for her to aquire her current lead, but what if he didn't had a lead at all? (sorry, I can't see the real game, so it's just speculations)

Her getting the cs lead is plausible if he screws up and doesn't punish, but in that case, is it Akali's fault for not being punished?

Its All Skillzz1 votes

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I managed to find a op.gg timeline on Akali, she killed him twice before the time in the video OP linked above, and he had a killstreak at that point with 3 kills on WW and 1 on the Akali.

She had one of a pyke.

And then she somehow kills him the moment she hits 6, presumably because she got ontop of him.

That happened much the same right after once, then another as shown in the video above.

I dont even know <.<

that is correct, she was fucking bs i had more items more gold and i even played super safe, got dived the moment she came to lane with revovler and lvl 6.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

If your version of safe is what you showed in the video then i´ve got bad news for ya.

That much is considered merciful, try a bad matchup in the toplane if you want real pain.

Or feed the enemy botlane a couple of kills if really into pure misery.

You basically lose by default as Ezreal if anything gets ontop of you after you used E.

IP Masquerena2 votes

Basically, he played in a bad match-up, where he allowed the enemy to free farm, then he cries that his champion, that is countered by the enemy champion, whom he allowed to free farm, killed him.

IcyPepper1 votes

probably more people thinking its nice seeing slippery Ez die than anything.

slowly raises hand

I'm ashamed but it's true.

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Her pre-6 laning pattern is basically a better vlad.

Pre-6 laning pattern. Not teamfight power. Vlad HEAVILY outclasses akali in that aspect. Safety wise, both do the same thing. They just sit back and heal. If you overextend, they can both punish you hard, and potentially kill you.

Starting at lvl 6, the champs diffrentiate.

Please do read posts before blindly accusing people of circlejerking.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

Pre 6 better vlad? In what way?

He heals more, he is ranged, he can move his W around and not get stuck if caught out and his 3rd Q should be the most damaging spell in the game for early levels if i recall.

There is not a single point in the game i can think off when Akali outperforms vlad in general, the only think Akali does better is chasing people.....and that is post 6.

So with that in mind.,,,,that he heals more, deals much more damage safely while having a better escape.......in what world does akali ever beat him?

She heals like 7-8 on her first auto every 8 seconds, vlad heals 20 from range and every third Q heals and hurts a lot more if hitting a champ, or at least a bit more if on a minion.

And that is on his lvl 1 Q.......and it has a better scaling than akali´s passive does.

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He doesn't heal that much more. Vlad's Q is linked to his poke ability while Akali is just a passive that procs on an autoattack. Vlad's encourage to spam more, which means worse wave control.

I think Vlad's W's worse than Akali's stealth (not invisibility). Stealth is just much more powerful because you don't know where the enemy is while you know that Vlad is in that pool. Vlad is also slowed and can't cast other abilities (but can charge E) in the pool. Akali's W now also has a blink, which is immensely more helpful vs the top lane roster than just pooling away.

Pre-6 neither vlad or akali should be playing super aggro (moreso akali than vlad). If they are shoving, then vlad probably does have the better escape tool, but it shouldn't happen.

There is not a single point in the game i can think off when Akali outperforms vlad in general, the only think Akali does better is chasing people.....and that is post 6.

Akali is less telegraphed, less affected by grevious wounds, is better at close-combat than vlad, does poke-burst comboes, and is better at initiating while Vlad is more all-in pre-6. Akali is better early and mid than vlad late.

So with that in mind.,,,,that he heals more, deals much more damage safely while having a better escape.......in what world does akali ever beat him?

I didn't say akali beat him in lane. I said akali embodied and amplified all the frustrating aspects of laning against vlad pre-6.

As the game progresses, vlad outclasses akali by far. That is pretty obvious.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Except Vlad has kill potential in lane before 6. If the enemy lane opponent misplays Vlad can and WILL kill someone at level 2 if he landed an empowered Q earlier since E+Empowered Q outdamages EVERY other mid laner in the game.

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Dude Akali has a lot of kill potential pre-6. But only if you underestimate her. She can't actually play aggro well, but the same is basically true of vlad because of the telegraphing on his third Q.

Basically they can both heavily punish you for mistakes/overextending. Don't underestimate Akali's early game dmg.

NorthernRedStar2 votes

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This is why she's slated for a full VGU

And Riot's already stated they love her uninteractive stealth and long-range dash mechanics.

She's going to end up like Irelia - nasty even pre-rework, must-ban post-rework.

L Psy Kongroo16 votes

That's a funny way to spell Irelia.

Its All Skillzz9 votes

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That's a funny way to spell Irelia.

gut both of them. you actually cant get near irelia at lvl 3 onward lol. no matter what item she has.

Tentacle Advisor1 votes

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gut both of them. you actually cant get near irelia at lvl 3 onward lol. no matter what item she has.

Except you can, and I have. Fiora can fight her just fine, so long as you Parry the E-stun. Hell, you don't even have to parry that. You can dodge the E-stun and Parry the ult, if you so choose, instead, and still could win the fight. I've done it plenty of times. New Irelia is way easier to duel than old Irelia.

Nyarlathοtep9 votes

You do know that irelia's q has less range than akali's right? And irelia uses mana (albeit low mana costs but still mana costs are mana costs).

Akali is SO HOT10 votes

Why are people still making these threads when her VGU is right around the corner

AirKingNeo12 votes

because people don't need to suffer in the mean time. Is is really that hard to gut her while we wait?

I mean they gutted Aatrox a long time ago and he's being reworked despite having a pretty healthy kit (compared to the likes of Gnar and Kennen especially).

Akali is SO HOT5 votes

They didn't gut Aatrox are you high. He has the second highest winrate top lane atm with an average pickrate. That's far from gutted. They've been actively changing him for the past few seasons in order to get him into a better spot and they've done basically that. He's completely fine as is until he gets his VGU.

If you have been around since Season 3 you would know that Akali is really the one that Riot has gutted. They gutted her so hard in patch 3.5 that they had to hotfix buff her because she was so bad and then buff her again in 3.7 because she was still awful. Gutted her again in 5.2, made her even clunkier than she was in 5.9, and then gutted her again in 6.22 lowering her winrate down to 42% for a whole patch. All of her buffs have either made her clunkier or were only lovetaps at best. After patch 3.5 she has really never been a problematic champion. She only occasionally has a respectable winrate because only her mains play her. For reference, she is picked less than Malphite mid, Nocturne mid, and even Wukong mid. She's not problematic or popular enough to make any major changes to at the moment.

She's not a champion like Kalista, Ryze, or Azir who have kits that will forever be broken in high elo when they are even remotely good and then get gutted as soon as they are strong because they completely change the game. Those are the champions that tend to stay gutted until Riot makes major overhauls to their kits. Akali is not one of those champions.

AirKingNeo7 votes

I meant they gutted Aatrox years ago.

I'm just saying gut the current Akali because she's a bit of a pain to fight, especially if you're an auto attack champion.

Al Havoc5 votes

Her rework is already done

TheCodeisCupCake1 votes

what?

paisy1 votes

That doesn't mean it's done

Al Havoc1 votes

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That doesn't mean it's done

its in the final stages

paisy1 votes

Doesn't mean it's done

Troll for Trump5 votes

JuSt Cc HeR

Because every top laner has targeted hard cc

LifeIsBasketball4 votes

Targeted? LUL abusable no counterplay stealth boi

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Oh no I was talking about the infinite dash parts. The stealth is annoying but I understand that she needs it to be played mid.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Too bad cc doesn't knock people out of stealth, targeted or otherwise

Boreto5 votes

to actually lane against akali u gotta spend 3200(item 3155 +item 3123 +item 3111 ) gold and even then she can pop u like a 2k range zoe q.

tophit2 votes

I would say the same about Diana to be fair, except replace the sustain with tankier stats. Just don't feel like any of my poke sticks against this champion, plus the only way she wins the lane against mages is by waiting for you to be about 60% health then diving tower with ignite (alternatively take tp so you've always got lane priority, if you back she'll be chunking your tower with her AS).

...wait...feels like I'm describing Tryndamere...

Serika Zero2 votes

ex Akali main here (ex because i uninstalled lol 5 month ago or 4).

Akali is a balanced champion, one of the most balanced champions in the game. And a blast to play, as long as TahmKench this fucker isn't in the game. common mistakes players facing an Akali make:

  1. when laning against Akali, they seem to think her lane phase is weak. Hint, it is not. Without going to indepth, Akali has 4 lane patterns (poke, burst, damage per second, pressure), and she doesn't do any of those as good as champions specialized in them, but she doesn't do it to badly either. As such, she has options.

  2. she heals a lot. No, she doesn't. You just don't know how to trade. I highly recommend you watch some youtube guides about how the champion you are using is trading in lane ;)

  3. Akali is a braindead champion a monkey could play, trash point and click champion. Yes, Akali is point and click, which means, her avenue of failure comes from her usage of her invisibility, and that her damage is going to be more consistent, meaning, she will fuck up less than your random Zed player. Which in turn means: she's better than your stupidly complicated champion. You got the upper hand in trying to outplay me, but if you suck, you die.

  4. Akali is super strong at 6, no she isn't. I mean, sure, in her lane she gets a power spike at 6, a power spike at item 3145 another one at item 3146 another one at item 2420 another one at item 3157 . But she isn't going to carry the game at 6, the best its going to be a kill on the enemy laner that is over extending. She can still be defeated at 6+, albeit, she did get stronger tho.

  5. Akali never falls off. Another often made mistake. Actually, Akali starts to fall off, like all assassins, post 2 major items. And that's because, Akali, like most assassins, is squishy, and has no way to deal with CC or proper peal. When the adc has got 3 items, when the mage has 3 items, when the tank has 3 items. Akali no longer has the luxury or randomly jumping in as the slightest mistake will mean her death. Yes, this is Akali's biggest weakness, team fights. She excels at picking off the random adc or mage. But she loses team fights hard. And she also has trouble winning certain 1v1s, like vs maokai, or singed, or jax, or kennen, fuck kennen.%

  6. We can fight Akali. The 6th mistake is the deadliest and is the reason why most Akali snowball out of control and why point 5) is a thing. Akali's strongest point is at gunblade. I might be only slightly exaggerating with this but, Akali should be able to 1v1 about 90% of all champions assuming equal gold and level, when she gets her gunblade (around 10-15 minutes). Futhermore, even if you got a support with you, Akali is highly likely to be able to 1v2 and kill the adc, then, maybe kill the support as well. NOTE, ITS NOT SAFE AWAY FROM TOWERS AND AWAY FROM YOUR TEAM IF YOU PLAY ADC. You and your support should only walk around areas with vision and stay near turrets, until you get to 2+ items (unless you started to snowball as an adc, then you shit on her as long as your support peals).

That's what I got to say. Also note: For junglers - Akali often uses W (invisibility) in lane for trading, occasionally for farming. Meaning, if you are patient, she is gank-able. For adcs - you can't 1v1 or 2v1 Akali until 3+ major items, at 1 and 2 major items, even at 2 halfs ( item 3145 + item 3144 ), Akali is going to 1v2 you are your support. If you see her, run under your turret and hope your support is not Yasuo . For laners - don't underestimate Akali, you can try to punish her in lane by trading, but remember, she can trade back. However, she often uses her W for trades if you aren't melee yourself. Which means, when she uses W, you back out. And when the W runs out, you got 10 seconds of priority over her. For supports - if your adc is missing braincells and doesn't stay in areas covered by vision which can track akali if she were to decide to kill them in the mid game so they can just run away, just ignore your looney toon adc, and support your other team members (like your mid laner).

For squishes in general: you aren't safe under tower in 1v1 scenarios, unless you got some easy form of cc. If you got that, don't waste it randomly and keep it until Akali tries to dive you. If she doesn't dive? well, then you are happy because the longer the game lasts, the lower Akali's ability to win the game is.

edit: forgot number 7) "Who needs mr?". AP ASSASSINS DO NOT HAVE LETHALITY!!!!!! if you get any semblance of MR, its effective against them. Even a item 1033 will reduce her damage by like 10%

Its All Skillzz2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a9H03zfb,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-06-06T21:23:35.663+0000)

ex Akali main here (ex because i uninstalled lol 5 month ago or 4).

Akali is a balanced champion, one of the most balanced champions in the game. And a blast to play, as long as TahmKench this fucker isn't in the game. common mistakes players facing an Akali make:

  1. when laning against Akali, they seem to think her lane phase is weak. Hint, it is not. Without going to indepth, Akali has 4 lane patterns (poke, burst, damage per second, pressure), and she doesn't do any of those as good as champions specialized in them, but she doesn't do it to badly either. As such, she has options.

  2. she heals a lot. No, she doesn't. You just don't know how to trade. I highly recommend you watch some youtube guides about how the champion you are using is trading in lane ;)

  3. Akali is a braindead champion a monkey could play, trash point and click champion. Yes, Akali is point and click, which means, her avenue of failure comes from her usage of her invisibility, and that her damage is going to be more consistent, meaning, she will fuck up less than your random Zed player. Which in turn means: she's better than your stupidly complicated champion. You got the upper hand in trying to outplay me, but if you suck, you die.

  4. Akali is super strong at 6, no she isn't. I mean, sure, in her lane she gets a power spike at 6, a power spike at item 3145 another one at item 3146 another one at item 2420 another one at item 3157 . But she isn't going to carry the game at 6, the best its going to be a kill on the enemy laner that is over extending. She can still be defeated at 6+, albeit, she did get stronger tho.

  5. Akali never falls off. Another often made mistake. Actually, Akali starts to fall off, like all assassins, post 2 major items. And that's because, Akali, like most assassins, is squishy, and has no way to deal with CC or proper peal. When the adc has got 3 items, when the mage has 3 items, when the tank has 3 items. Akali no longer has the luxury or randomly jumping in as the slightest mistake will mean her death. Yes, this is Akali's biggest weakness, team fights. She excels at picking off the random adc or mage. But she loses team fights hard. And she also has trouble winning certain 1v1s, like vs maokai, or singed, or jax, or kennen, fuck kennen.%

  6. We can fight Akali. The 6th mistake is the deadliest and is the reason why most Akali snowball out of control and why point 5) is a thing. Akali's strongest point is at gunblade. I might be only slightly exaggerating with this but, Akali should be able to 1v1 about 90% of all champions assuming equal gold and level, when she gets her gunblade (around 10-15 minutes). Futhermore, even if you got a support with you, Akali is highly likely to be able to 1v2 and kill the adc, then, maybe kill the support as well. NOTE, ITS NOT SAFE AWAY FROM TOWERS AND AWAY FROM YOUR TEAM IF YOU PLAY ADC. You and your support should only walk around areas with vision and stay near turrets, until you get to 2+ items (unless you started to snowball as an adc, then you shit on her as long as your support peals).

That's what I got to say. Also note: For junglers - Akali often uses W (invisibility) in lane for trading, occasionally for farming. Meaning, if you are patient, she is gank-able. For adcs - you can't 1v1 or 2v1 Akali until 3+ major items, at 1 and 2 major items, even at 2 halfs ( item 3145 + item 3144 ), Akali is going to 1v2 you are your support. If you see her, run under your turret and hope your support is not Yasuo . For laners - don't underestimate Akali, you can try to punish her in lane by trading, but remember, she can trade back. However, she often uses her W for trades if you aren't melee yourself. Which means, when she uses W, you back out. And when the W runs out, you got 10 seconds of priority over her. For supports - if your adc is missing braincells and doesn't stay in areas covered by vision which can track akali if she were to decide to kill them in the mid game so they can just run away, just ignore your looney toon adc, and support your other team members (like your mid laner).

For squishes in general: you aren't safe under tower in 1v1 scenarios, unless you got some easy form of cc. If you got that, don't waste it randomly and keep it until Akali tries to dive you. If she doesn't dive? well, then you are happy because the longer the game lasts, the lower Akali's ability to win the game is.

i like how you mention dont be near akali when she has 2k gold worth of items she will 1 vs 2 you an your support, like ok an thats balanced how?

KnulleFitte1 votes

gunblade and zhonyas is 2k worth items? Are we playing the same game?

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