Why are Teemo and Karthus automatically banned on One for All but not Sona?

Mal the Red·Aug 6, 2016·5 votes·1,754 views

Do I need to say more?

46 Comments

ReikkenAug 6, 20163 votes

because they are obviously not fun to play against sona isn't awful to play against until lategame

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

But once that late game comes it is truly more awful than 5 Karthus or Teemo.

Milodic MellodiAug 6, 20163 votes

Because Teemo's Ult (and damage potential with his poison) and Karthus' Ult make them uncounterable and unbalancable in One For All. OFA's already unbalanced, but at least there's a chance for each side with strategy. Sona's counterable, and squishy. Why would Sona be perma-banned from that? To me it seems like you're just salty because your opponents actually knew how to play their champ.

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

Nobody with a heal and shield is squishy.

ZephyrDrakeAug 6, 20163 votes

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Nobody with a heal and shield is squishy.

i guess we should just ban every shield and heal champion in OFA. Sona is squishy and her heal takes a huge chunk of her mana pool and it isn't a good heal to begin with

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

Sona is NOT Squishy.

DynikusAug 6, 20164 votes

yes she is.

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

No she isn't.

Milodic MellodiAug 7, 20161 votes

Stop disagreeing, because you know you're wrong. Even after her update she's still squishy (as in, she doesn't have great defenses compared to other Champs), and she's going to stay that way. True, she has an incredible amount of sustain potential post-6, but in no way is she not squishy.

Mal the RedAug 7, 20161 votes

She is not squishy. Nobody with a heal AND a shield is squishy.

ZephyrDrakeAug 6, 20164 votes

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Sona is NOT Squishy.

says who? you? she is one of the squishiest champion in the game and her mana pool argument holds plenty of water late game since that's where she actually spams her spells. I don't care what you think, Sona IS a squishy champion and nothing you say can change that

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

You get 5 Sonas healing AND shielding each other, never running out of mana because of their late game builds, not to mention moving incredibly fast and dealing tons of damage.

She is NOT squishy, and nothing you say can change that.

ZephyrDrakeAug 6, 20164 votes

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You get 5 Sonas healing AND shielding each other, never running out of mana because of their late game builds, not to mention moving incredibly fast and dealing tons of damage.

She is NOT squishy, and nothing you say can change that.

how about you take advantage of her HORRIBLE EARLY GAME!

she will run out of mana late game unless she builds tear and even then it's only delaying the inevitable. If you have not won a game by the time they reach lvl 16 then you are doing something horrible to begin with. SHE IS SQUISHY! don't come here complaining because you picked a champion that is terrible against her

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

She will NOT run out of mana late game. Get it through your thick fucking skull.

SHE IS NOT SQUISHY

She can heal, she can shield, she never goes out of mana.

ZephyrDrakeAug 7, 20162 votes

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She will NOT run out of mana late game. Get it through your thick fucking skull.

SHE IS NOT SQUISHY

She can heal, she can shield, she never goes out of mana.

ok baddie whatever you say

Milodic MellodiAug 7, 20161 votes

She IS squishy, and always will be. Her SUSTAIN, meaning her healing, is very good post-6 but in no way is Sona's natural defenses anything but fragile.

Mal the RedAug 7, 20161 votes

She is not squishy

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

And the "mana pool" argument holds no water in the late game.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 6, 20162 votes

Teemo Literally a perfect 50% of the map would be covered in shroom, and that's just annoying.

Karthus 5 man ult. Name me a counterplay to that.

Sona I don't get it.

DarkRitualAug 6, 20163 votes

Counter to 5 Karthus Ult? A single level 6 Taric .

Milodic MellodiAug 7, 20162 votes

Isn't the R delay longer than Karthus' Ult delay? Though tbh just E him before they finish their ult if they're in lane. If not, yeah I'd try going Taric Ult. Or Kayle, that works even better since there's no delay.

Mal the RedAug 6, 20161 votes

Teemo: And 5 Sonas that can be literally anywhere on the map in 10 seconds healing and shielding and buffing themselves along the way ISN'T annoying?

Karthus: Buy MR, that simple.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 6, 20165 votes

Karthus: Buy MR, that simple.

Could do the same for Sona, but damn, you still had to complain huh [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

Sona doesn't always build AP. Especially in One For All.

Even building AD they deal serious amounts of damage, and MR doesn't stop Sona from endlessly healing, shielding, and buffing herself and her teammates. Karthus can't do that.

Milodic MellodiAug 7, 20161 votes

Except Sona DOES build AP. In fact, she builds it more often than AD in the history of EVER in League. You know a good way to take out Sona's healing? item 3033 or item 3165 , then burst them down before the GW effect ends. Simple as that.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 7, 20162 votes

Even building AD they deal serious amounts of damage,

Good fking god....., so technically you also want another 80 more champions to be banned just because they're building AD.

Milodic MellodiAug 7, 20161 votes

No, I'm sure he doesn't because he wants Teemo and Karthus back. Since Teemo and Karthus can deal damage with AD (someone actually did well with AD Karthus...not sure why that should be a thing), and he wants those two back, it means he doesn't want AD champs gone. Only Sona because he's biased against the idea that a Support can actually do well in OFA. EDIT: Actually I have a better idea. Let's just ban Sona and all champions who have the potential to deal more damage than her. So...who's left? Nami, Soraka, Fiddlesticks -- oh wait his W and Ult, guess he's out...can't do Tristana because she's deals continuous damage.... Not saying that Sona doesn't deal damage, but come on. Sona being permabanned is a joke, and should be treated like one.

Mal the RedAug 7, 20161 votes

I want Sona banned too if they're going to ban Teemo and Karthus.

If damage was the only problem with Sona, then you'd have a point. But she has healing, mobility, a very good AoE stun AS WELL AS DAMAGE. You are so fucking transparent it's unbelievable.

Milodic MellodiAug 7, 20161 votes

Nami has healing, mobility, and damage, as well as a semi-stun. Let's ban her as well then. Soraka has a root, slow, and can sustain herself and others. Ban her. Master Yi has insane damage (which scales to insane lifesteal depending on the build), has more damage potential, has healing in his W, and has a MS self-buff in his Ult (as well as a huge AS buff). Ban him. See where I"m going here?

ScissorsNstuffAug 6, 20162 votes

Sona can be beat by having any sort of burst and not being a wuss

karth and teemo just suffocate the game endlessly. They aren't strong, its just so unfun its not worth playing

Mal the RedAug 6, 20162 votes

Sona is strong AND Unfun. You can't burst her down when you have all five of them healing and shielding on a negligible cooldown.

ScissorsNstuffAug 6, 20161 votes

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Sona is strong AND Unfun. You can't burst her down when you have all five of them healing and shielding on a negligible cooldown.

why are you talking about cooldowns and burst in the same breath. Do you understand what burst is?

burst speed = damage/excessively short timeframe

Not only are you going to outrun any cooldown Sona's heal on others isn't even instant, it has a travel time.

Also even prenerf urf sona could get dunked by actual burst.

Mal the RedAug 6, 20161 votes

I'm talking about SONA'S Cooldowns. One Sona can heal and shield every 3.5 seconds. 5 Sonas can heal and shield every 0.7 seconds. It is literally impossible to burst that down.

Why are you bringing URF into this? This is about One for All.

Milodic MellodiAug 7, 20161 votes

So you're saying that a team of Malphites or Jhins with their Ults can't take down enough Sonas to deem healing ineffectual? Sona's still a squishy Champ you know... Also I'm pretty sure that a team of Ahris can shut Sona down post-3 and keep the ball rolling. It's just the way you play it is all.

Mal the RedAug 7, 20161 votes

Good luck actually HITTING Sonas with Jhin and Malph ults with how damn fast she can move.

ScissorsNstuffAug 7, 20162 votes

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I'm talking about SONA'S Cooldowns. One Sona can heal and shield every 3.5 seconds. 5 Sonas can heal and shield every 0.7 seconds. It is literally impossible to burst that down.

Why are you bringing URF into this? This is about One for All.

urf sona could shield every something like .5 seconds.

It doesn't matter how fast she can shield

Assuming sona can shield every .0000000000001 seconds all that means is that she reduces your damage by some amount but cannot ignore your damage beyond this meaning that BURST as opposed to SUSTAINED damage would be best against her which is why she is not that hard to deal with. Additionally she cannot push and cannot sololane (ie she cannot splitpush or countersplitpush) effectively lategame

FrnakAug 7, 20162 votes

Play AP Blitz.

Wonder why he's not insta-ban.

ROFL@All those LeBlanc/Zed teams.

ReZisT LustAug 6, 20161 votes

Cause "too many shrooms" i heard on twitch even though oracle lens is such an easy answer to this even though they get DISABLED as well. In Teemo s case.

DynikusAug 6, 20161 votes

5 simultaneous karthas ults has basically no counterplay aside from zhonya's and building MR. While you can red trinket teemo shrooms, you can only do that so often.