A large part of the problem for melee top champions...

Mira Arya Enthe·Oct 14, 2016·34 votes·1,385 views

...Is fucking MINION BLOCK! Minion aggro, minion damage and minion block. Yes, the issue extends beyond this. But as somebody who played probably hundreds of games as Teemo top, the strongest thing was just dancing around my minions, auto'ing them, not taking any minion aggro, but for them to hurt me, they have to come out of their minions, wiggle around mine as terrible pathing kills them, hit me, take shit tons of minion aggro, then try to wiggle their way back to their side. Meanwhile I have AA'd Garen like 5 times, and he only got an AA'Q combo before deciding it wasn't worth it. The minions are so threatening, that watching high tier players, they care more about fucking minion aggro than the enemy laner, the turret or incoming ganks!

23 Comments

Sans HamaOct 14, 20167 votes

yep, thats melee laners for you, you figured it out! Minions hurt melee top laners.

HemanthOct 14, 20167 votes

Worst case is 1 minion block causing your champ to get a stroke

Hell WeekOct 14, 20165 votes

i got owned as Tryndamere today by like 30minions.... feelsbad. survived the Rumble ULT just to die to minions. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Ben SharpioOct 14, 20161 votes

I'm surprised you lost as trynd, considering trynd has an easier time early game than other melee top laners from free sustain and early cheese damage.

crippler38Oct 14, 20162 votes

yeah but rumble is gonna just torch you every time you try to bop a minion.

Pierce The VealOct 14, 20162 votes

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i got owned as today by like 30minions.... feelsbad. survived the ULT just to die to minions. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

New champion ultimate idea:

Summoner 100 melee minions in a teemo sized radius around target, worth 1 gold each. Permanently aggroed on target. Champion is grounded until all the minions are dead.

AlienPrimateOct 14, 20165 votes

Trundle Chogath thanks for the heals

Pierce The VealOct 15, 20161 votes

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thanks for the heals

Forgot one part immune to magic damage and aoe

Good luck bud.

TheSingularityOct 15, 20161 votes

Was illaoi and went for a dive, i got him and his spirit with the ult but he flashed past his new wave and the minions enveloped me. I couldn't budge as the tower focused me down, helplessly pinned against a wall

Nami in BushOct 14, 20165 votes

QQ more about minion block. This prevents people from standing right in the middle of 20 minions and avoid being hit by every skillshot.

Malicious MetalOct 14, 20163 votes

Well, I like people hiding among their minions. Gives me more targets->More shield :P

Nami in BushOct 14, 20161 votes

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Well, I like people hiding among their minions. Gives me more targets->More shield :P

Gives more targets for Yasuo to dash to

IPromiseTomorrowOct 14, 20164 votes

That's not a bad thing. And why should a champ be punished for being behind minions? Because they have a brain and don't want to be hit by skill shots?

Nami in BushOct 14, 20161 votes

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That's not a bad thing. And why should a champ be punished for being behind minions? Because they have a brain and don't want to be hit by skill shots?

It would make anybody who uses skillshots impossible to play. Minion block has existed for 7 years, now suddenly there's tons of QQ about it by a bunch of new kids who have played for a couple months and die doing stupid shit. It's part of the game, anybody who complains about it is bad unless it completely doesn't allow you to move which rarely happens.

IPromiseTomorrowOct 14, 20162 votes

Not at allll. Champs with skill shots can win lane perfectly fine when the enemy is behind minions.

Also minion block this season has been horrendous compared to others. So many reasons to complain about it when it wasn't this bad before.

BrokenKaos03Oct 14, 20163 votes

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QQ more about minion block. This prevents people from standing right in the middle of 20 minions and avoid being hit by every skillshot.

Not sure what you have been smoking but minions lately don't seem to block shit. I have watch Blitz grab me through minions, Naut grab teammates through minions, and Caitlyn's ult which is supposed to be blockable by team champions hit myself while the tank is right in front of me just for the reason of intercepting the shot. Anyways much love, Akali Akali

Mr Broken WingsOct 14, 20162 votes

I find myself often in the position to use e as riven just to ignore minionblock to cs minions I wouldnt get otherwise. Its pretty disgusting how much cs a melee has to sacrafice just because he is melee right now, its really anoying.

Ben SharpioOct 14, 20162 votes

Trust me when i say that melee top laners that don't have mobility integrated into their kit will die out completely over-time. So keep bringing Casseopia, ryze, malzahar, teemo top lane while i jungle just so that i don't have to deal with the bullshit that goes on top lane.

This game naturally favors ranged champions, and the rest of the fighter champions don't get compensation for any of the clear weaknesses that they have so that ranged and melee top laners can coexist without feeling like a definite loss.

I never wanted to be a jungler but this game literally forced me to because i was unable to compete with people spamming ranged/carry top laners and its sad, but if you genuinely enjoy playing a specific melee champion that doesnt have mobility, might as well become a jungle main so that you don't have to be in an automatic loss situation.

TheHappyReaperzOct 14, 20162 votes

I play melee top laners, and I don't have trouble with minions. Just walk beside or around, instead of through the minion wave. Also, I'm currently Silver V, so it may just be my elo, but I'm not seeing much in the way of ranged top laners. Once or twice I've seen an ADC go top, and I've gone against Gnar or Jayce a few times as well. I'm definitely more worried about facing a Fiora or an Illoai, than a ranged champ.

OrangesilkOct 15, 20161 votes

Oh it will come as you go up in elo. Just wait for it. Illaoi is SUPER outplayable and Fiora is annoying but doable.

Then you start laning against GOOD Jayces and Quinns. Or my personal pet peeve: a Cass top, she farms and farms and there's nothing you can do about it. Then she finishes Rylais and proceeds to just auto win the lane. It's awful.