Pykes ult reset probably shouldn't exist

Dope Solo·Nov 10, 2018·4 votes·2,106 views

I don't see how this is balanced at all.

13 Comments

Mr Bob BobersonNov 10, 20185 votes

An ultimate that has an insane execute and can kill squishy targets at half hp at max rank, along with being able to kill multiple targets Should not have a reset

WarmanreaperNov 10, 20181 votes

? its a small execute at 20% or lower, scaling with lethality (use to be ad, recent patch changed it to lethality) it's being used as intended, to punish people that don't respect pykes aggressive squishy play style, he's the embodiment of an assassin in bot lane, except he cannot build any hp at all which makes him a focus target because you can kill him in 1 or 2 abilities.

HotarµNov 11, 20181 votes

"Can kill squishy targets at half hp at max rank"

Sigh, let's see:

Level 18: Max health for ADCs (rounded to the nearest hundredth)
Jinx -2,000 Twitch -2,000 Ashe -2,000 Caitlyn -2,000 Corki -2,000 Draven - 2,100 Ezreal -2,000 Graves -2,100 Jhin -2,100 Lucian -2,000

Pyke's base damage at max rank ultimate is 605. The 80% Bonus AD and Lethality scaling generally results in his ult dealing about 700-1,000 damage. Full build Pyke's usually have item 3147 item 3142 item 3117 item 3069 item 3026 item 3071 .

That's 286 total AD + 750 Bonus health, converted to AD is 53 bonus damage. 286+53 = 339 total AD, 80% of which is added to his ultimate. 36 lethality at 1.5x scaling is 54 bonus damage.

Currently, we have 605 + (271 bonus AD) + (54 bonus damage from Lethality)

In total, that's 930. That's assuming he's: Full build, you have no bonus health (which is unlikely considering item 3053 item 3071 or other items) and you have no health from runes or anything else.

Short of 1,000, short of half health.

Mr Bob BobersonNov 11, 20181 votes

I've literally seen it happen but you know ok, Just defend the overpowered character for some reason

HotarµNov 11, 20181 votes

You've seen it happen, except I just did the math and calculated it for you? Interesting that you've seen things that mathematically don't make sense. Nice work!

ShmeeveNov 10, 20183 votes

Your forgetting how hard it is to time and land it, for being an x shaped hitbox. If its a pyke always nailing it, you know its a good pyke.

Dope SoloNov 10, 20184 votes

The X is huge. You'd have to be blind and stupid not to hit it.

iiGazeiiNov 10, 20183 votes

The center point and each of the "arms" of the X are very thin. You can sidestep the ult easily.

Dope SoloNov 10, 20183 votes

Thin? Are you kidding me? The hit box is ridiculous.

SwiftKitten88Nov 10, 20182 votes

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The X is huge. You'd have to be blind and stupid not to hit it.

its practically the size of Lux E, and it gives less travel time warning.

im sorry but it harder to right click a champion than it is to miss pyke ultimate unless the person dashes or summoner 4 out... which they wont be able to do because, u have TWO freaking forms of hard cc.

Cloud273Nov 10, 20183 votes

Executes shouldn't have resets period.

giannishannibalNov 10, 20181 votes

Well it resers well he kills someone that below the threshold otherwise it goes on cooldown. Darius ultimate resets on kills too when it last him them with his ult, also at lv 16 darius ult doesnt cost any mana at all and the damage is true damage and it scales with how many bleed stacks you have and the passive gives bonus ad that scales his ult even more. So in Pyke case, his R has a weird hitbot that easy to mess it up and above all if you catch him with root you can burst him in 2 secs, unlike darius.

MoonscourgeNov 11, 20181 votes

I played Pyke almost exclusively on his release and the more people got used to him the harder it got to actually hit his ult. If people are aware of it they will side step, they will stop walking, they will save their dashes to dodge it or use heal to deny the kill. Please play the champion yourself for a while to understand how difficult it can be to hit it. It is a weird skill, it takes a few games to get used to how you cast it and especially being able to gauge whether somebody is fast enough to walk out of it on max range or not.