Karma needs to be nerfed

Bultz·May 17, 2018·3 votes·4,035 views

Her spirit fire does way to much damage. She shouldn't be able spam shield over and over and over in 1 fight. I don't wanna see 3 shield ina single fight. Such a toxic kit.

31 Comments

Masala ChaiMay 17, 201813 votes

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2784857791/208826573?tab=overview hmmm....

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Karma/ hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=salmxEtnhJk&feature=youtu.be HMMMMM...

OverpoweredSoapMay 17, 20189 votes

[{quoted}](name=Masala Chai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7URJVxhV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-17T03:14:38.766+0000)

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2784857791/208826573?tab=overview hmmm....

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Karma/ hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=salmxEtnhJk&feature=youtu.be HMMMMM...

Someone get a mop, the tea is spilling everywhere.

FOR JUSTICEMay 17, 20187 votes

wait, how did you actually get the recording though?

Masala ChaiMay 17, 20184 votes

You add him, then you record his games. Simple!

BultzMay 17, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Masala Chai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7URJVxhV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-17T03:14:38.766+0000)

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2784857791/208826573?tab=overview hmmm....

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Karma/ hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=salmxEtnhJk&feature=youtu.be HMMMMM...

That literally proves nothign aside from her needing a nerf. Cause her shielding herself every second is toxic

FOR JUSTICEMay 17, 20189 votes

his point was you fed her.

any champion looks broken when theyre fed.

meowwow7May 17, 20186 votes

and you could have probably not done it in a full wave

Gatekeeper KarmaMay 17, 20187 votes

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That literally proves nothign aside from her needing a nerf. Cause her shielding herself every second is toxic

You're right. How dare a pre level 6 Yasuo lose to a Karma that shielded ONCE! Blasphemy![zombie-brand-mindblown]

Masala ChaiMay 17, 20185 votes

That's funny, people would say that Yasuo's is too.

I think it more or less proves that you're not good at the game.

BultzMay 17, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Masala Chai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7URJVxhV,comment-id=000100020002,timestamp=2018-05-17T04:41:20.516+0000)

That's funny, people would say that Yasuo's is too.

I think it more or less proves that you're not good at the game.

lol better than you who abuses a champion for elo.

AzadetheMay 17, 20184 votes

He's a 54% karma in Plat. That takes a TON of skill. (about her upper limit)

BultzMay 17, 20182 votes

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He's a 54% karma in Plat. That takes a TON of skill. (about her upper limit)

Karma is just broken. I've seen her in too many games just destroy everyone around her. Being plat by maining a utility abuse champion,whose power is way to overboard since level 1 is really just boosted. As for this "plat", I've played enough games with him to know he is only good with select champions and I've seen him get crushed while I carried him. So shh.

Masala ChaiMay 17, 20184 votes

Do you honestly believe I try hard when I played with you? I'm TRYING TO HELP YOU LEARN BY BEING CONSISTENT, BUT NOT STOMP EVERYONE. Do you think anyone did? Like LaChinx when he was 1v1ing you with a Zeal while you were on PD and YOU STILL LOST and your excuse was "I threw" even though gold income in ARAM is so high that it doesn't matter at all. You are so unfathomably bad in lane without constant babysitting that the only reason that you're not in Bronze is because I legit have to spam RE.

In nearly every midlane game I play with you, I outperform and out DPS you while you go off trying to get that 0/10 powerspike, and completely throwing a couple games. I actually sometimes completely outdamage you with support itemization on a support income because you're not doing anything. You're actually 100% the teammates that you say you have (inting junglers), but you actually die more often than them. So who's the real inter now?

If anything, you are abusing a champion that is busted in Silver because no one knows how to play against him, but you're still losing. Yasuo is flat out the best champs to climb in Silver because his winrate is over 52% in your elo range, and his pickrate is extremely high. Face the facts, you're not good at the game. Karma is not broken, you just flat out don't know how to play against her. Karma's winrate globally is 47% with a much lower playrate than Yasuo, and she's ranked 117 out of 140 on the global tierlist on LoLalytics. She's in the bottom 20% of champs in terms of Solo Q strength.

The video evidence speaks for itself. You can't just bruteforce every fight in League and hope to win. You actually have to play with skill and intelligent play, which you clearly lack.

LeBalancedChainMay 18, 20183 votes

What are you saying? We all know he is not xallenjour because he plays a really hArd AnD MecHanIcALL iNteNSe cHamP - yasuo, we all know karma is ALWAYS on god tier with over 55% win rate, we all know karma is NOT in need for a VGU, we all know karma sucks in competitive but is a god tier champion for soloQ... don't even argue.

Kappa

GhazterMay 19, 20183 votes

Are you kidding me? The only way you're going to get Karma anywhere near 50% win rate is through EXTREME skill. If you don't believe me, try playing her in gold (not that I expect you to get there). It's very difficult even in silver, which is where I am right now (;_;). She's a terrible champion right now. Almost all other supports outperform her, and most mid laners scale way harder than her.

Algorithmic BiasMay 17, 20186 votes

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That literally proves nothign aside from her needing a nerf. Cause her shielding herself every second is toxic

Do u even know how the game works? karma had ignite while yasuo had no sums, karma hit all the combo. Yasuo didn't hit anything. In the second fight he is a lvl behind and in case u haven't noticed there are some little blue and red things called minions; watch how many of them hit ur genius main

Gatekeeper KarmaMay 17, 20184 votes

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Do u even know how the game works? karma had ignite while yasuo had no sums, karma hit all the combo. Yasuo didn't hit anything. In the second fight he is a lvl behind and in case u haven't noticed there are some little blue and red things called minions; watch how many of them hit ur genius main

It's funny cause that's his match against a Karma which made him babyrage

AzadetheMay 17, 20184 votes

To be fair, Karma makes most early game Yasuo's babyrage. They don't like anything that can bypass a wind wall and live long enough to circumvent.

AzadetheMay 17, 20184 votes

It proved you literally face tanked her as a Yasuo. Karma is one of Yasuo's early game counters. Get bent that you actually have some.

Gatekeeper KarmaMay 17, 20189 votes

She is able to use her E ONCE in an all out 1v1 in early levels. Twice if it lasts long enough. If a fight (TEAM FIGHT) lasts 10+ seconds of course she's gonna shield more than twice. She's in a very bad spot right now because there are so many supports that are better than her. You say she's able to use her E too many times like there aren't other champions that can use their abilities way more often than she is able to. Also: She does not have an ability called Spirit Fire....

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GhazterMay 17, 20187 votes

As a previous main of Karma, I want to say that no, she does not need a nerf.

Her Q just bullies early game; late game, if she isn't building AP, it does barely anything (even R+Q). If she's building AP, she's just like any other AP mage; damage is to be expected.

She has to put out shields as that's basically her whole kit, since her W barely does anything. Most supports have a fairly low cd on their shields anyways. In addition, her shield isn't even very strong (I think it's one of the worst shields).

She's in a very bad place already, don't make it worse.

AzadetheMay 17, 20182 votes

her W has the highest consistent scaling of any ability she has.... E or Q basically means you are a long range nuker who doesn't fully utilize her fully.

P.S. The root is THREE Seconds if you ult it.

Masala ChaiMay 17, 20184 votes

While true, Karma players usually max W last which leaves the base root and damage pretty lackluster. There also usually is better value in RQ if you're playing her as a dedicated mage, or RE as a support. RW is more for a tank playstyle, in which case you're not really getting the benefit of the AP scaling.

GhazterMay 19, 20182 votes

Like Masala Chai said, most Karma's don't max W. It's not a very good ability to use mid (hard to get in range) or bot (again, range problems, but hard for adc to go in on 1v2 and you're better off maxing E). Also, scaling != damage. I believe her Q still does a lot more damage even at max ranks, except even that falls off pretty hard late game. If she's not mid she's just a shield dispenser essentially.

Devilreaper XIIIMay 18, 20181 votes

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As a previous main of Karma, I want to say that no, she does not need a nerf.

Her Q just bullies early game; late game, if she isn't building AP, it does barely anything (even R+Q). If she's building AP, she's just like any other AP mage; damage is to be expected.

She has to put out shields as that's basically her whole kit, since her W barely does anything. Most supports have a fairly low cd on their shields anyways. In addition, her shield isn't even very strong (I think it's one of the worst shields).

She's in a very bad place already, don't make it worse.

as a sane person i say YES, lets nerf that op champ.

Gatekeeper KarmaMay 19, 20181 votes

xD https://gfycat.com/VengefulHeartfeltAstrangiacoral Karma Karma Karma Karma Karma Karma

Elegant EgoisticMay 22, 20181 votes

go to pee and sleep

SnugglePuggle94May 22, 20181 votes

Dude this is the second post you made today about nerfing Karma. Reported for spam. The mods don't like repeat posts.

Also, I will tell you again- no she does not need nerfs at all.

HyquiemMay 22, 20181 votes

Just NO, my reason; the factor of karmas supporting aspect in poke is extremely useful. Her kit should not be considered toxic because one it has tons of counterplay, the Q can Be Sidestepped the E can be ran way from and W doesn’t do anything to the enemy. This is just one of those things you have to play to understand.

jocomotionMay 22, 20181 votes

Nah, if anything she needs an update and buff. She’s kinda got a Ryze situation (albeit less extreme) where they leave her weak because her kit is so annoying to play against with the high base damage and the kiting potential, bit overall she’s just really weak and can’t rely on her kit. Like look at the holes in her kit.

one real damaging ability, so they put too much damage into it
only champion to have an actual ultimate at level 1 (Nidalee and Jayce don’t technically have ultimates)
enchanter with only one ability that interacts with allies
can kite forever if the enemy can’t hit skillshots
ranged point and click hard CC, something Riots been trying to avoid