Deathfire for AD champions

Cherysse··1 votes·933 views

Hi! Well this post is about http://i.imgur.com/JMBQmuk.png on AD champs

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#Point: making it viable on AD champs AND avoid making it stronger on it's abusers (both AD and AP).

Note: I am talking about those AD champs that don't benefit from Warlord's Bloodlust or Fervor of Battle; AD Casters and Poke AD champs.

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#So far there are a few champs in wich I have seen Deathfire Touch being a successful mastery (on AD): Urgot Renekton Jhin and it says a lot about it on AD champs.

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#Reasons why DFT isn't working on AD champs that could actually use it:

  • (I'm not counting Urgot and Jhin on this one):

  • If you are an AD champ you will rarely use Magic Pen runes, this means that DFT is 30% to 60% (and in some tanks 80%) less efficient in AD champs than in AP champs; this means your AD ratio on this mastery only means 40% to 20% of your bonus AD.

  • The mastery path of thunderlord has magic pen on it, if you are an AD champ you won't take the % magic pen mastery.

  • DFT feeds on your acquired stats (gold) while Thunderlord is barely effcient alone, you need a lot of lategame for DFT to be as efficient as Thunderlord is, and it feels kinda unfair.

  • Most AD champs relly on their auto attacks, Thunderlord can proc on almost anything, DFT only procs on damaging abilities.

  • There are few AD champs with single target abilities or with DPS abilities; Urgot Jhin fits this theme.

  • Some abilities that in any other case would proc Thundelord won't proc Deathfire Touch, yet they are abilities; Talon Q Bleed (DPS), Sivir W bounce, Ezreal Q, etc.

#Ways to actually solve the issue without increasing it's AD ratio (and therefore avoid making it stronger on those AD abusers which are already strong with it Urgot Jhin )

  • If the user has more AD than AP make it deal physical damage.
  • Cause DFT to proc upon auto attacks and auto attack based abilities for 2 seconds (half of the duration)
  • Instead of it dealing a "base damage" (which doesn't scale and is kinda useless), make DFT deal a minimum damage of 2 to 10 per DoT instance which scales per level.

#MATH: Minimum damage doesn't take in consideration base damage or ratios, it means that if you don't have any AD or AP early game your DFT will deal base damage anyways, instead of dealing 0 damage (lame), and when you start feeding this ratio then the minimum damage won't do any difference because it doesn't work as a base damage, so once you reach plus 20 AD early game or plus 70 AD late game, minimum damage won't do anything, at the same time it helps early game of many champs and encourages a different build path in terms of runes (rather than just using flat AD or AP). Also early game for AP champs the base damage per DoT of DFT is 2.

#AD champs that could benefit from the change: Darius Ezreal Illaoi Jayce Khazix Nasus Pantheon Shyvana Sion Talon Sivir Graves Varus

Tell me what you think.

9 Comments

Vekkna1 votes

Ezreal Q does proc DFT, as does MF's and GP's.

Overall, DFT is already stronger for AD champs in general than AP champs, even after accounting for the higher gold cost and lower flat numbers from bonus AD. Point for point, gold for gold, DFT is better for AD than for AP.

A huge reason most AD champs don't use DFT is that it's the least appealing of the 4 choices most ADs have available to them, despite being rather good. On the other hand, DFT is outright garbage on any non-dot AP (and it's still garbage on them until late mid game), leaving TLD as the only viable option.

Cherysse1 votes
  • A little bit of magic resist and DFT is garbage for AD's too, because lategame they don't get magic pen.

  • Also I still believe it needs to be modified to be viable on everyone and not only upon DoT orieneted champs.

  • It is good on DoT Ap champs because they get Magic Pen.

  • Another way to make it viable is to make it deal true damage and just reduce it's overall ratios, but yes, that would be crazy.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Varus Deathfire is already great for him?

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Varus With Deathfire and item 2033.

Cherysse1 votes

I will try it hahahaha, I play him full AD caster, so it would be awesome.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

He has so many different playstyles i like to mess around with.

Today i was playing him and our team was getting absolutely crushes in the first 15 minutes. My team had a Graves and Fizz so we were not lacking in the damage department. But between their Udyr Yasuo the map pressure was just too much to handle. I kid you not i won the game building item 3124 item 3087 item 3111 item 3512 item 3060. My support also built item 3512 item 3060. We placed our item 3512 behind our inhib turrets on top/bot and it immediately stopped the pressure. Our fizz and graves suddenly caught traction and hit a spike, from there we just gradually started moving our portals further and further up the map and trapped them on their half. We won the game by having Fizz Graves going all in, trading 2 for 4, setting up two item 3512 and two item 3060 cannon minions in the same lane, and running through a tier 2, inhib turret, inhib, both nexus turrets, and the nexus before they could respawn.....

was quite the game*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

Sukishoo1 votes

Pretty sure it's cause http://i.imgur.com/JMBQmuk.png was meant for AP... I mean look at the image, it's a MAGE xD

Cherysse1 votes

And Thunderlord has a mage summoning a thunder, Undying is Nasus, Ages is Garen. It is just art xD but I get your troll point.

I feel AD casters need to have a more viable mastery because DFT only works midgame, early and late it sucks on them.

TheMinez1 votes

One time I was playing Singed, and after the enemy kog survived my poison with 8 hp, I killed the enemy adc with the last tick of DFT. #Calculated!

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