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What I hate about top lane right now...

Slave Knight·12/2/2017, 4:43:19 AM·30 votes·1,543 views
  1. I'm a bruiser player. I'm meant to be somewhere between a tank and an ADC in terms of survivability: damage but right now I don't fit anywhere.
  2. Tanks are so fking pushed and just keep getting stronger and stronger with every iteration. Tone it down here please, they are already unkillable in the late game, so why do they need so much damage/sustain early game? It makes no sense. I'd rather face off with pre-nerfed sunfire Maokai with his old kit than the bullshit we have today.
  3. With the lack of resistances from runes to cater towards bruisers, everything hits me like a truck. Where are the MR buffs? Where are the engage runes to empower bruiser's in all ins?
  4. Why are there no distinctions between melee and ranged on runes, why does PTA get nerfed because RANGED champions abuse the keystone?
  5. Where are the bruiser items that can help me survive and thrive in League of Legends? Why do all current bruiser items cost an arm and a leg considering how poorly lane phase becomes versing high damage tanks that outscale (Maokai, Ornn, Shen, Cho-gath, etc) or disgusting ranged champions that don't scale off and shit on you the entire way through (Pantheon, On-hit Teemo, On-hit Gnar, Jayce, etc).
  6. The game wants me to climb giving me anywhere from +26 - +29lp but I just can't fking win games. It feels so stressful trying to play perfectly on my bruisers to even stand a chance at winning and if I lose, I know it's because I am too stubborn and don't find enjoyment in picking up disgusting tanks/ranged champions.
  7. The biggest problem IMO, however, is that, it's either my team or the enemy team that doesn't get to play the game. One team gets shit on so hard they can't recover, one team stomps the other team into the dust and on either side - the game is no fun. Games end WAY TOO QUICK.

My advice to Rito... as a bruiser player, PLEASE don't just over-buff bruisers. I'd rather that you just tone damage down ACROSS THE BOARD and then we can get back to a time where things looked much better for everyone. Thanks.

/rant

24 Comments

SilentBomber12/2/2017, 11:48:45 AM8 votes

As a Jax main i completely agree with you.Top lane currently is not about strategies but about counters.As i top laner i feel miserable.If i get countered hard by Teemo or any other AP champ i'm doomed to fall behind in farm and eventually lose my lane.

Play safe and farm under your tower.

That's a big no.How can i last hit under my tower when ranged champions harass me.If i decide to trade with them i'm doomed to go base or just die by their great damage.

But your jungle will help you.

In my damn experience,almost all junglers in gold(plus many platinum junglers i played with),would concentrate at bot lane entirely,even if they fail miserably.No matter how many times i "begged" my jungle to gank a perma pushed lane he would refuse so badly.He would rather farm eternally or just ignore me and go to other lanes.

I believe,that the fighter class lost many things from new runes.No matter how great their damage is,it's nothing compared to ranged champions.Especially,AP ones.

Take Heimerdinger for example.There is no way for fighters to approach that guy.He would stun you and instantly kill by using all his abilities.

For those who even think to downvote me,take a minute and check Hashinshin's video at youtube.He makes a lot of sense.

P.s. Playing top lane is totally frustrating and stressing.Even if you win your lane you won't get rewarded because your bot lane sucks and your adc has 0/8/0 in 15 minutes of the game.Thus,you lose the game.

Bronze 6 Yasuo12/2/2017, 11:12:01 AM8 votes

They aren't going to do anything about bruisers because they simply just don't care.

Consider this a major "fuck you" from riot.

Troll for Trump12/2/2017, 11:03:43 AM4 votes

Flip-flopping between roles, I've realized that ultimately, it's how well bot lane does that defines how well you do. The game is too bot lane focused

Trollmanship12/2/2017, 4:16:38 PM3 votes

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My advice to Rito... as a bruiser player, PLEASE don't just over-buff bruisers. I'd rather that you just tone damage down ACROSS THE BOARD and then we can get back to a time where things looked much better for everyone. Thanks.

Been asking for that for years but Riot in their infinite wisdom has just made damage and snowballing even stronger.

It blows my mind how bad the balancing team is at their jobs.

Kyunsei12/2/2017, 9:17:13 AM2 votes

I main Tryndamere since a long time. And believe it or not, there's a lot to know about this champion to make it work.

Yet I simply started to play Pantheon and find a lot more success with him with a less than 10 game experience on him than my over 500 games with Tryndamere.

But luckily, Riot plan to work on top lane/fighter in patch 7.24 B which will occur on 14th December.

Fertsa12/2/2017, 7:51:46 PM2 votes

Sometimes i feel like tanks are pushed so much because some of them can barely survive late game, specifically against adcs. (Some have it easy but the rest don't)

Teridax6812/3/2017, 4:39:08 AM2 votes

Picking up on one point in particular:

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  1. I'm a bruiser player. I'm meant to be somewhere between a tank and an ADC in terms of survivability: damage but right now I don't fit anywhere.

This I think is one of the reasons why bruisers aren't doing so great right now: bruisers shouldn't be in-between tanks and marksmen in terms of durability and damage, they should have the durability of tanks and the damage of marksmen. In exchange for this, they shouldn't have the crowd control of tanks, nor should they have the range of marksmen. For some reason, being a ranged damage-dealer or a tanky CC contributor is seen as perfectly natural and balanced in itself, yet the concept of a tanky damage-dealer is still considered more controversial, and derivative of other classes rather than a class in its own right.

Part of the problem with this right now, as indicated in point 2 of the OP, is that tanks themselves have ended up progressively becoming more and more like bruisers due to their increased damage: in theory, tanks are meant to trade off raw damage in exchange for their disruption and lockdown, but the Tank Update ended up giving them more waveclear, more trading power, and even a degree of burst in some cases. Galio is a particular example of this: his VGU tried to make him a tanky damage champion, but also gave him a lot more mobility and CC, so for a long time his damage remained relatively low (though still higher than that of most other tanks). With his recent changes, he's being pushed to deal higher damage, but also still gets to keep all of his crowd control, and so far has mostly traded off a bit of durability. For a fighter to compete with someone like Galio, they'd have to have damage and durability, but also lots of mobility and AoE hard CC. In the end, this isn't really a problem with fighters being under-equipped (though they could use more tools against excessive crowd control), this is a problem with many tank champions being overloaded.

MLDzXnRRR12/2/2017, 11:39:42 AM1 votes

They can't balance bruisers. I've played yesterday some games where a wild VI, Jax or Kled managed to carry just stat checking, so I guess the most brainless champs can be OK.

Dodging autoattacks and point and click abilities is impossible. DPS champs are another problem with the ranged crits.

In another game full tank Maokai was unkillable, because our Graves top and Draven bot didn't build armor pen.

The only balanced and balanceable class (imo) are supports and mages.

PaffWasTaken12/2/2017, 6:44:06 PM1 votes

You want Magic resist buffs? Are you serious?

Sun Wu Ryuumoku12/2/2017, 4:05:05 PM1 votes

Tanks are so fking pushed and just keep getting stronger and stronger with every iteration. Tone it down here please, they are already unkillable in the late game, so why do they need so much damage/sustain early game? It makes no sense. I'd rather face off with pre-nerfed sunfire Maokai with his old kit than the bullshit we have today.

RIP Bro, the Tank lobby will shut u down [darius-angry]

Dream High12/2/2017, 4:12:55 PM1 votes

It's shit, apparently everbody knows it as nobody wants to play it because that's all i'm getitng even though it's a secondary role.