Viktor rework is Horrible. The whole Wombo combo support niche direction is flat out retarded

Poske·May 4, 2016·91 votes·4,027 views

Basicly viktor is a champion who ll destroy an enemy team if they get wombo combo-ed

THING IS IF ENEMY GETS WOMBO COMBO-ED THEY ALREADY FKING LOST YOU CANT MAKE CHAMPION UNIQUE NICHE AROUND THAT GODAMN GIMMICK

any mage can destroy an entire team if they get wombo combo.

I guarantee you RIOT there are atleast 50 CHAMPIONS in the game Who can destroy an already wombo combo-ed team stronger then viktor can OH and btw I bet those champions have a proper NICHE

Eh whats your thoughts guys on Viktor The delay

57 Comments

Stevev45May 4, 201621 votes

I think they just want marksman to be able to duel mages.

McKeifusMay 4, 201621 votes

"I think they just want marksman to be able to destroy mages."

FTFU

The HexmageMay 4, 20164 votes

They actually can.

WimbledofyMay 4, 201612 votes

considering most mages are heavily reliant on skillshots, almost all marksmen have the ability to duel mages.

ÑapoleoniMay 5, 20162 votes

Veigar Annie k

Stevev45May 5, 20165 votes

If you can't dual Veigar as a marksman at any stage of the game, you're bad.

Supreme Senpai69May 5, 20161 votes

Marksmen love running into his E and get deleted.

Jet SettMay 5, 20161 votes

New stacking mechanic makes it incredibly simple to get enough AP to Q-E-R or just Q-R because AP stacks are almost inevitable to obtain.

Stevev45May 6, 20161 votes

No they don't.

Jet SettMay 6, 20161 votes

Who is "they"?

Stevev45May 6, 20161 votes

"they" should be "it"

The stacking mechanic doesn't given you enough AP to kill a marksman with q+r

In a duel, a marksman should never get hit by Veigar's e

Jet SettMay 6, 20161 votes

Why wouldn't Veigar be able to land his E? In any case, if he doesn't land it he'll still zone them unless they are outside of it, in which case he'll probably lose. But Veigar SHOULD have enough AP mid or late game to use two abilities to kill an ADC, unless the ADC has specifically itemized against AP by buying Mercurial and Maw early (assuming mid) or at all. it's pretty close, but Veigar can very easily get a large amount of AP from his stacks so it shouldn't be that hard for him.

Stevev45May 6, 20161 votes

Why wouldn't Veigar be able to land his E? Because 500ms is enough time to dodge it even without boots. So if a marksman gets hit by it, they are bad.

Q damage 100 / 150 / 200 / 250 / 300 (+ 100% AP) max for R 350 / 500 / 650 (+ 150% AP) Jinx HEALTH 518 – 1912

Jet SettMay 6, 20161 votes

Well, assuming Veigar has been cs'ing (and we'll assume this because an ADC would also need to cs well in this scenario) He'll be able to get around 100 bonus AP from his Q, not including any AP he gets from poking as of late, he'll definitely be killing most anything that hasn't built tank.

Q: 100+100+100 (if he built Morello's first) so, 300 damage, then 550 from his ult, and this is assuming the duel is occurring a bit after 10 minutes, any further and his AP will be increasing dramatically, making his chance to kill with Q Ult even larger, He can get up to 1000 AP and if his ratios are above or at 100% he'll be obliterating things quite easily.

SquishieMay 5, 20163 votes

Annie Azir Cassiopeia Malzahar Lissandra Syndra Veigar I'd love to see you duel one of those

Troll for TrumpMay 5, 20162 votes

Dodge Q: Ez. Cassiopeia : pretty underwhelming right now, fair fight. Same for Lissandra Syndra Veigar

Annie, Malz, and Zir probably need peel. Maybe even Liss too.

SquishieMay 5, 20161 votes

dude what peel it's a "duel", and tbh there is no way and i mean it that u can duel cassio lol,Syndra or veig. liss and brand maybe but c'mon, those guys are almost better than you in everything.

Troll for TrumpMay 5, 20162 votes

You can duel veig syndra quite easily, especially if your ahead. Liss too even. Graves, Vayne, Kog, Trst, Ezreal, Cait.

SquishieMay 5, 20161 votes

you realise that you get 1'shoted once u get in veig R range he can even flash for u lol

Troll for TrumpMay 5, 20162 votes

His R range is less than Kog's W. I think Trist at lv 18 has more range too.

SquishieMay 6, 20161 votes

I don't know what are you trying to say with this, But in my opinion if you manage to duel one of the mages i mentioned above and you are not so "ahead" you don't deserve to be in that elo.

Troll for TrumpMay 6, 20162 votes

Basically those 2 champs are out of range of his burst so they can sht on them. If they surprise them, than those mages can burst them in an instant like any assassin.Visa versa too.

SnowplosionMay 5, 20163 votes

Most marksmen could duel mages before the updates.

blfUvZ8YbuMay 5, 201612 votes

Viktor is useless.Congrats Rito.E 2x dodgeable.

Bear GauntletsMay 5, 20164 votes

God forbid anyone have a chance to dodge a crap ton of damage.

DarkRitualMay 5, 20163 votes

Veigar I pressed R lol

JorenciceMay 5, 20162 votes

That's an ultimate on a heavy cd. No a decently ranged laser on what a 10s cd?

DarkRitualMay 5, 20162 votes

Was not specified it needed to be a low-cooldown non-ult, my apologies.

JorenciceMay 5, 20161 votes

No big deal. Everyone makes mistakes.

Soma VermillionMay 4, 20166 votes

I was playing Viktor before his first rework and until he became a solid pick due to the LCS. The changes made to his scalings are absurd - while Q became godlike, the iconic laser had to suffer.

http://i.imgur.com/uLz8EA2.png http://i.imgur.com/JxgDlkU.png

Yes, it was a botgame. Yes, that was with fullbuild and also yes, i was going for a Q-centric build. And still it was just the Q+AA+Gunblade - no Marksman or Mage could survive that with their low amount of HP (the Gunblade isn't even needed in that case!). He oneshots squishys, he twoshots bruisers, threehits towers with the Q amplifier and fourhits tanks - with a 4 second Q ability. The gunblade heals him and you can easily do the Elder Dragon by yourself with your Q-Shield and Heal.

I don't even wanna talk about teamfights and CC-lockdowns, you can see it as a nice "bonus". http://i.imgur.com/XUjITFy.jpg

They made Viktor like most of the other Battlecast's - if he gets to lategame, shet gets real. He needs positioning but punishes VERY hard.

ScoroctMay 4, 20161 votes

have yet to try gunblade on him but seems promising

PoskeMay 4, 20165 votes

Yes, it was a botgame. Yes, that was with fullbuild and also yes, i was going for a Q-centric build.

I can pick any champion and one shot with pretty much any ability ... from 100>0 bots

Why gunblade? Doesnt that give ad ?

DrCyanideMay 4, 20163 votes

Gives both, but the active has a 40% AP Scaling on it.

Biff ManlyMay 4, 20162 votes

AA-based mage builds. Kinda like Azir without his soldiers, or Draven if he was throwing wands instead of axes.

There's a few items that synergize with these sorts of builds, mostly item 3115 and item 3091 , but any mage with a "make this auto-attack not garbage" ability can do a significant amount.

Gunblade is nice because it given the omni-vamp for sustain, plus the mixed damage to make your scary auto-attacks even scarier.

WimbledofyMay 4, 20161 votes

gives small amount of ad but a decent amount of ap.

Soma VermillionMay 5, 20162 votes

Gunblade gives AD aswell, but his Q transfers AD to AP with a 1.0 scaling so he gets more damage than with Luden's Echo. The active also deals around 500 AP damage and slows, while also providing heal by 15% of every damage dealt. The Hextech Revolver beforehand modifies your AA Damage even more - you don't rush Gunblade though.

Before his rework he already could onehit squishys in lategame (in a real game, not Botgame!). With baron buff Viktor can easily achieve 1000+ AP and fire dragons make it even scarier but don't count on it.

I would provide footage of real matches but curretnly I have to play with a Netstick and the lags are horrible.

Death RayMay 5, 20161 votes

What the hell are you talking about, his Q barely changed if you look at the damage it can deal compared to pre rework Q dmg. Any viktor could have done the same damage before the rework while having a better ult, and a better laser to finish someone off. Still his winrate was only 46%..

Gl getting that full build btw, in most cases you will be waiting for the 20min mark so that you can finally surrender.

JorenciceMay 5, 20161 votes

Lol. Talk to me when he's at nunu levels of winrate 32% btw.

You can EASILY win with vicktor.

PoskeMay 5, 20161 votes

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Lol. Talk to me when he's at nunu levels of winrate 32% btw.

You can EASILY win with vicktor.

Nunu is at 32%? Really ? Source?

JorenciceMay 5, 20161 votes

http://champion.gg/

He's went up since I last looked he's at 39% now ^-^

Black And SilverMay 5, 20165 votes

A crap ton of damage that you have TWO chances to dodge. It's also incredibly easy to dodge now as well. Viktor is in the bottom 10 of all champs as far as power goes after this patch. This is no joke

Electric BuyersMay 5, 20165 votes

Isn't Viktors E that skill that when you use it, nothing fucking happens but you lose mana anyway? Or is that just since the rework?

ScramrailMay 5, 20164 votes

He's in an absolutely horrendous state. If you want your E/ult to be viable damage sources you need to invest in item 3116 as a first item, which is a huge kick in the teeth now that they completely gutted mana regen as a concept.

He feels extremely counter-intuitive to play because logically, you need to upgrade your item 3200 for augments, but you need item 3116 in order for your E augment to even be useful, but you need something with mana sustain in order to stay in lane/on the map to be relevant. He's in a position where he is absolutely gimped until at the very least 3 items ( item 3196 / /( item 3027 / item 3165 / item 3030 )), and this isn't even taking into consideration the cost of boots as well. But what do you get first?

If you get mana sustain youll be able to stay in lane/on the map but lack damage and wont be able to reliably utilize your E/ult.

If you get Rylais first youll be able to utilize your E/ult to greater effect but wont have the mana/sustain to stick around.

If you upgrade your hex core youll have the utility of a speed boost and/or your aftershock but wont have damage OR mana/sustain.

Theres no right answer for Viktor at the moment, at least not until the 30 or so minute mark, at which point he will hopefully have access to enough items that he can start to do his job. Yet even still, he needs a team composition with heavy AoE CC to be able to fully realize his true potential in a team fight, so if you don't have a team built around you, youre STILL up shits creek without a paddle.

HazyCloud7May 5, 20163 votes

Yes this is true 100%. He's trash alone, good in teamfights if you have teammates to babysit you and give you some hard CC.

Issue w/ this is that he's a solo laner and didn't need these changes. If you dislike it let @ricklessabanadon (in charge of viktor changes) know about it on twitter.

Ulquiorra995May 5, 20161 votes

And we all know how Rito making a champion with overwhelming damage but little to no way to access it on their own has turned out well before Mordekaiser Illaoi .

Some people never learn from their mistakes.

HemaVengMay 5, 20162 votes

his overall e and ult went bad his ult now too hard to get full damage on ur enemy even e now easy to evade -_-

ModAcademy KaynMay 5, 20162 votes

I feel a great amount of power went into his E pre-rework, and am personally glad that Q got buffed, since it gives him more survivability to do things in a teamfight, than to just wombo combo someone (Which like you said, we have lots of wombo combo people already).

They gave Viktor better ways to do damage and survive than to just be an E-bot. I personally want to try a bruiser version of him, with ROA, Gunblade, and potentially other items to protect him.

NeoBrawlerMay 5, 20161 votes

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I feel a great amount of power went into his E pre-rework, and am personally glad that Q got buffed, since it gives him more survivability to do things in a teamfight, than to just wombo combo someone (Which like you said, we have lots of wombo combo people already).

They gave Viktor better ways to do damage and survive than to just be an E-bot. I personally want to try a bruiser version of him, with ROA, Gunblade, and potentially other items to protect him.

Do you even play Viktor. At all? His whole niche is the death laser and his Q was just filler.

ModAcademy KaynMay 5, 20162 votes

So you confirm what I said, that he is an E-bot old Viktor. An ability shouldn't be a filler, each should have its uses and advantages.

Smitty ManjensenMay 5, 20161 votes

You didn't play a single game with him and you call it shit? In another thread I asked people who played at least 5 games with nobody answering because it seems that people just like to complain without actually testing it.