I really hope Morde's VGU's more like Ryze/Taric and less like Sion

Malicious Metal··82 votes·4,450 views

Before you get your pitchforks ready and call me out for hating Sion's rework, which is absolutely not true in any stretch of the imagination, let me tell you why I think Mordekaiser would benefit more from a Ryze level update and less from a Sion level one;

In Sion's rework almost every single thing about the old Sion was SCRAPPED. He lost the hyper carry play style, he lost his point and click stun, massive life steal and had a complete overhaul of his themes. Old Sion was a champion that was nothing more but a cheap joke, no real cohesive theme, no strategic niche. So he got just that, a complete reimagining of his character. And it was bloody awesome.

Mordekaiser on the other hand does not have the fundamental flaws Sion had in the past and would be the perfect candidate for a Ryze/Taric level update? Why you may ask? Both Taric and Ryze had a core theme that was not only kept in their rework but also improved and fully fleshed out so that they truly live up to their thematics and lore. They not only got new kits that were less binary and more satisfying to use but #retained their old kits in some way or form. Taric still got his armor scaling, heal and stun, Ryze's combo and machine gun play style's still very much the same as before. They got new tricks up their sleeve while also retaining much of what made them interesting and unique, something Mordekaiser's VGU should aim to accomplish.

As things currently stand Morde suffers from having great Lore and a solid thematic as the Dark Overlord Archetype, yet that theme doesn't translate very well into the game on a healthy level. His Revenant Juggernaut theme on the other hand has a lot of interesting aspects that are currently present in his kit, in form of his unique drain mechanic that is his shield, it being very fitting for a Juggernaut type of champion. His soul enslaving ultimate is also one of the core themes of his kit that should be retained in some way but made more healthy and easier to balance.

His play style as some heavy frontliner who thrives duking it out in the midst of the enemy team is already somewhat present in his kit in form of heavy AoE, his E's percentage shield mechanic and his obscene melee damage.

A rework should try to improve on this thematic, trying to retain the #Feel of his character while striving to improve upon his play style and themes. He does not need a complete reimagining like sion or poppy but more of a solidifying of themes as was the goal of both Ryze and Taric's rework.

Just my two cents though, you're free to have your own opinion and share what you think about this topic^^

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Sahn Uzal24 votes

Gets his Pitchfork ready and calls you out for hating Sions rework

In seriousness, Imo Mordekaiser has an awesome fantasy that is not realised very well. Sion had a not-so-awesome fantasy that was not well realised.

Mordekaiser shouldn't get a rework like Sions because he doesn't need one.

Ralanr13 votes

"Runeterra has been free for too long."

"Stop me? Looks like I found a new jester."

"Dead. Alive. You're mine either way."

Just an idea of quotes I'd like to see. Not my best.

Malicious Metal10 votes

Some Pentakill lines I'd like to see:

#Metallica "Master of Puppets, I'm pulling your strings"

"You're dedicated to how I'm killing you."

"Darkness imprisoning me All that I see Absolute horror I cannot live I cannot die Trapped in myself Body my holding cell"

"Anger Misery You’ll suffer unto me"

"Pure black, looking clear My work is done soon here"

"Take my hand We're off to never never land"

"Just want one thing, just to play the King But the castle crumbled and you're left with just a name Where's your crown, King Nothing?"

"Life it seems to fade away Drifting further everyday"

#Iron Maiden "You'll take my life but I'll take yours too!"

"Run to the hills!"

#Judas priest "I'm breaking the law!"

"Marching in the streets Dragging iron feet"

"Laser beaming hearts Ripping men apart"

"In the night Come to me You know i want your touch of evil"

"In the night Please set me free I can't resist a touch of evil"

#Dio "Feel the danger, see the glory Hear the thunder of a heavy metal"

"It will take you, hypnotise you Raise your fist a rebel yell"

"I am metal and I'll never die"

"Nothing evil, nothing sacred Just a power that's been created"

"There to take you and possess you Shout it out with a voice from hell"

Taunt to lux: "You're just a rainbow in the dark!"

Damn, I need to go through like 2000 songs to find ALL the quotes I'd want to see in his Pentakill skin >_>

Almighty4 votes

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Some Pentakill lines I'd like to see:

#Metallica "Master of Puppets, I'm pulling your strings"

"You're dedicated to how I'm killing you."

"Darkness imprisoning me All that I see Absolute horror I cannot live I cannot die Trapped in myself Body my holding cell"

"Anger Misery You’ll suffer unto me"

"Pure black, looking clear My work is done soon here"

"Take my hand We're off to never never land"

"Just want one thing, just to play the King But the castle crumbled and you're left with just a name Where's your crown, King Nothing?"

"Life it seems to fade away Drifting further everyday"

#Iron Maiden "You'll take my life but I'll take yours too!"

"Run to the hills!"

#Judas priest "I'm breaking the law!"

"Marching in the streets Dragging iron feet"

"Laser beaming hearts Ripping men apart"

"In the night Come to me You know i want your touch of evil"

"In the night Please set me free I can't resist a touch of evil"

#Dio "Feel the danger, see the glory Hear the thunder of a heavy metal"

"It will take you, hypnotise you Raise your fist a rebel yell"

"I am metal and I'll never die"

"Nothing evil, nothing sacred Just a power that's been created"

"There to take you and possess you Shout it out with a voice from hell"

Taunt to lux: "You're just a rainbow in the dark!"

Damn, I need to go through like 2000 songs to find ALL the quotes I'd want to see in his Pentakill skin >_>

I think you just wrote the script for Mordekaiser's reworked VO.

The lyric from "Master of puppets" fits him perfectly. and the Lux taunt is just genius.

Almighty.

Malicious Metal1 votes

Let's be honest here. He might no longer officially be called the Master of Metal but this dark entity sung of in many Metal Songs perfectly describes Mordekaiser.

Metallica in particular got a lot of Tracks that could be used to describe Mordekaiser. Master of Puppets, Harvester of Sorrow and King Nothing come to mind.

As does Dio's Metal will never die or Holy Diver

Sona x Rubick1 votes

he will always be the master of metal for me

forever.

Ralanr4 votes

I thought of a few more.

Taunting an enemy Lux: "Another light to be snuffed out." Olaf: "I heard you've been looking to die." Any Void creature, "A whole new world to conquer? What a lovely homecoming gift." TahmKench: "Shut up." Riven: "What do you prove by running? You're nothing but a child." Annie "Want to meet Knightfall?"

Count Zubat1 votes

When attacking dragon: "Time to be killing the dragon."

Melledoneus3 votes

Mordekaiser interactions:

Karthus Bah. You're not even worth enslaving. It's about time you were silenced. For good. A lich? Sorry, I'm not hiring right now.

Thresh Oh, the interior decorator is here! Place that lamp above the dining table. Hooks, chains... not metal enough. Torment and souls? You've got to be more original than that.

Kalista Oh, wonderful! I could always use a toothpick after a good meal. You're too jumpy. Let me fix that. Ghosts. And oaths? Cute.

Darius Get off my lawn, shrimp. Noxus? Get your little village out of my territory. You're about to get dunked. The real way.

Hecarim This one's too scrawny. Find me a proper steed. Ooh, this one comes with a stick. Try charging through this.

Evelynn I didn't remember ordering the harlots just yet...

Nautilus Hm... the material is nice, but it's not my color. Maybe I should attach a chain to my mace and... nah, that's dumb. Let's crack you open and see what spills out.

Elise Hm... looks like some vermin's moved in while I've been gone. This mace should swat spiders just well enough. 8 legs. No brains.

Aatrox Oh, I remember you. You were the paper boy, right? That helmet has terrible shape. Let me fix it for you. Your armor is asymmetrical. That won't do.

AurelionSol Is this the new circus in town? Finally, dinner is here! Hah hah! I think this one will make a great pet.

Sion I like this one. I'll consider putting him on cleaning duty. Your screaming is annoying. And take that knife out of your head. Oh, he can run. But your soft flesh will soon be mine to control.

Azir Ohoh, I remember Shurima. I was headed there next, if I remember correctly. So how is Shurima? Heard it got obliterated, which is sad considering I was dying to try their grapes. So... so who are you exactly? Some Shuriman priest or something?

I know these suck, but I was bored.

Fat Bastard GOD1 votes

I actually like these a lot. They are pretty sassy though, but I can see that working in Mordekaiser's VO seeing that he puts just about everyone beneath him. They are so funny XD

What Is Smite1 votes

Here's one they should add in

Disturbed

"Heavy! You want it heavy! Welcome to my world, feel the weight of it grinding down"

Ralanr1 votes

"It's just another way to die."

Oleandervine6 votes

A few notes, old Sion was not completely scrapped:

  • Sion can still stun with a fully charged Q. -Sion retained his exploding shield, almost 100% like it was before his rework. -Sion's permanent HP gaining passive on his old E was bundled into his new W. -Sion's old ultimate (barring the "heals everyone" part) is pretty much his after death passive.

Also, Taric is considered a Poppy/Sion level rework. Ryze is considered a Gangplank level rework.

I would love to see Mordekaiser reworked on a Ryze/Gangplank level though, especially if they opted to make him look more undead spirit in armor, instead of just walking knight.

Spôôked1 votes

I hope they remove his pizza feet too lol

DemoGuide4 votes

I still miss old sion voiceover :( You made me visit wikia to hear it again :(

Malicious Metal19 votes

"Who is your summonah and wat does he do?"

XIII Vanitas12 votes

"GET ON MAH CHOPPA!"

DemoGuide6 votes

STOP BEING A BONEHEAD!

Malicious Metal14 votes

AXE BONE CONNECTED TO THE HAND BONE CONNECTED TO YOUR FACE BONE!

kasfas7 votes

My most favourite quote from old sion that i still really miss. http://browser.gameguyz.com/upload/images/20141016_015147844.jpg : "I, do it."

Mecha Incognito3 votes

When they get around to the vgu, I do hope that they make him much more serious than he currently is. The little jokes here and there should be for certain champions, like Jinx etc, but for Mordekaiser I think he needs to be really dark and act accordingly. Though they should totally keep the 'only need to click once' line in somehow.

Malicious Metal11 votes

He should totally be looking down on any other organism on Summoner's rift. The dude even sees specters like Hecarim as beneath him. This sense of superiority and contempt's is already kinda there in his voice, seeing that he's never really angry but still belittles everyone.

It totally fits his emperor theme imo.

He NEEDS some goofy jokes though. A giant metal revenant king being goofy is funny. "This whole living thing is highly overrated" would be better as a joke rather than an attack voice line.

Also, Pentakill Morde NEEDS 30 minutes additional voice filled with metal references.

Sukishoo3 votes

I personally think Morde DOES have issues with his kit theme. He's supposed to be what exactly? A Metal mage? I'm not really seeing a theme here from some of the abilities that he has currently

The Loveless1 votes

I think he should use his mace for a new E animation.

ChaosThief2 votes

Oh, and there is one thing you forgot to mention; one of the old abilities he had did make it into his new kit, though with changes to make it less abusive (Hello, W.)

Pre-rework morde was fun, post rework morde is still somewhat fun (although not as satisfying as pre-rework, unfortunately.)

Malicious Metal3 votes

Well, as long as he keeps his passive and ultimate in some ways and a cone shaped ability I'm totally and 101% happy.

Keìron1 votes

And a huge melee nuke!

dapositiveviking1 votes

e: "the cone of shame"

Mr Vulcanator2 votes

All I want is for him to keep his Q. I only like his Q and E, the rest of his kit could be replaced for all I care.

Battlecast Sona2 votes

Honestly the problem with Morde's initial rework is that instead of sticking to what made Morde good and making it healthier and better (solo lane Morde) they attempted to push him into another role (botlane) WITHOUT giving him a significant, Sion level rework.

So I definitely think this time around they'd be much better off just sticking with sololane Morde as a start and then solidifying his themes and fixing some of his abilities that are tuned for bottom lane.

Laggiest Medic2 votes

i hope they dont change his death animation

i dont know why but i lost my shit when i first saw it

Backup4now1 votes

I'm just scared that they're going to swap a lot of his cool current quotes for complete garbage non-combat related ones like they added to Ryze. Examples: "Ah, Runeterrans. So endearing, so foolish." "The wise seek to contain power." "Blessing or curse, what's the difference?" None of these have anything to do with the battle at hand. I picked these because they cannot even be ARGUABLY related to anything happening on summoners rift, they're just out of place and are only there to show us what Ryze thinks about sometimes- Something that probably shouldn't be done in-game. I don't want to hear these quotes in-game, ever.

This problem, I shit you not, is THE reason I only played riven less than a handful of times in the past. "My spirit is not lost." Stfu you're on a battlefield talk about killing people.

This is also why I adore Kled, even though he's not released yet. The voiceover has everything to do with what's happening on the battlefield, whether he's talking about killing the champ he's targetting, complaining that his companion abandoned him, or welcoming his companion back.

All that, and the VGU voice might not be the same and I don't like that kind of change.

Also, I'm not saying that all quotes from Riven and Ryze are bad. I'm saying there are several that I don't appreciate. The kind of quotes I would like would be, for example, something like Soraka saying "Hold on, I'm coming!" or something along those lines when her passive is boosting her. Combat-related.

Wyrmblade1 votes

"Ah, Runeterrans. So endearing, so foolish." Ryze is talking about how he feels about other people. Summoners rift has at least nine other people so unless it's a full void team or something the line relates to summoner's rift.

"The wise seek to contain power." Ryze is giving a reason he is on Summoner's Rift, he wants to contain power, the line is related to summoner's rift.

"Blessing or curse, what's the difference?" Ryze is talking about how he feels having to kill people, who are the enemy team on summoner's rift unless he's playing ARAM or something, in order to contain power, the line is related to summoner's rift.

Of all the things that could ever potentially be a problem, having varied characterization and the gall to talk about things that are important to them has to be in dead last on the list. Riven's constant moping is annoying as hell, but it would be absolutely pitiful to lose the character's ability to talk about things that aren't literally happening right in front of them.

Backup4now1 votes

All three of those are REALLY stretching what he's saying to fit the bill. As for the first example, there are plenty of characters that aren't runeterran and aren't void, and minions are (not sure if canon anymore) automatons. He can say this while completely isolated. There is a VERY good chance the quote has nothing to do with anything. Once again- It's okay to give insight to how a character feels and how they see other characters or things, but it's both not realistic and not fitting for them to think about how stupid their enemies are while they're getting beaten to death or doing some complex maneuvers.

What you said to the second example doesn't make sense, there's no power on summoner's rift (at least ever since the retcon, there's no canon power). The third is some extreme stretching and interpretation you did just to try and prove me wrong. Ryze doesn't deal in blessings or curses, thus there's no way that he could be referring to how he feels about killing people unless he's a riddletongue or lysdexic person.

Having the 'gall' to talk about things that are important to them is fine. But, as mentioned above, it makes no sense in terms of realism or thematic to talk or even think about such irrelevant things in the middle of combat.

Assuming your very wild interpretations were true, there are plenty of other ways to say the same thing without having it sound completely irrelevant. Example: Instead of "The wise seek to contain power.", he'd say something along the lines of "I'm here to contain the energies in the area." Instead of "Ah, Runeterrans. So blah blah" it would be something like "Look at all these endearing, foolish enemies."

Wyrmblade3 votes

As for the first example, there are plenty of characters that aren't runeterran and aren't void, and minions are (not sure if canon anymore) automatons.

There are more Runeterran characters than not.

Aren't void

Reread my post.

He can say this while completely isolated.

while they're getting beaten to death or doing some complex maneuvers.

I don't think you know what you want.

What you said to the second example doesn't make sense, there's no power on summoner's rift (at least ever since the retcon, there's no canon power).

Assuming there's no world runes in the area. Baron Buff Dragon Buff Red buff Blue Buff Fountain Turrets Endlessly spawning automatons. Nexus is clearly magical and explodes when you destroy it. The void rift. Every other champion on the map. Even going by the most basic gameplay elements, there's power on SR.

Ryze doesn't deal in blessings or curses, thus there's no way that he could be referring to how he feels about killing people unless he's a riddletongue or lysdexic person.

Not everything is literal. Magic is a blessing because it's the reason that he's able to get to the world runes. Magic is a curse because it's the reason he needs to find them in the first place.

Assuming your very wild interpretations were true, there are plenty of other ways to say the same thing without having it sound completely irrelevant. Example: Instead of "The wise seek to contain power.", he'd say something along the lines of "I'm here to contain the energies in the area." Instead of "Ah, Runeterrans. So blah blah" it would be something like "Look at all these endearing, foolish enemies."

When all you talk about is stuff that's happening right in front of you, you kind of sound like a personality less robot. The quotes you suggested really don't fit Ryze's personality. Ryze is smart but curt, he'd say something a way that's a lot less robotic. For the second one, read this quote you wrote before.

He can say this while completely isolated.

Also that quote is too campy even for a saturday morning cartoon.

Overall, voice quotes like that aren't even slightly a problem. I really think you're just grasping for straws looking for something to complain about.

Backup4now1 votes

When I said "not void", I was specifically referring to the fact you said void didn't count as runeterra. I was saying there's even more non-runeterra that also isn't void (bard, sol)

As for the only talking about the situation at hand, it's realistic. I guarantee you 100% no sane person will start talking about runes and travel and starting a campfire or whatever in an arena where 5 demigod-equivalent champions are trying to kill them or their things at all times. Makes them seem less robotic/one-dimensional? Sure. But it can be done better, much better.

The quotes I suggested aren't good, but that's why they're not paying me to write quotes. I was suggesting something along those lines because they make sense. Twist them some to make them really sound like Ryze, and you've got a superior quote.

I stand by my opinion. If they add something like "The Shadow Isles will be mine" or "My bones remain safe" or anything along those lines to his VO I will be upset.

Wyrmblade1 votes

You'll be upset and everyone else won't even notice. It's amazing what people can do to themselves.

Backup4now1 votes

Look, if something's going to change, the change can't just be acceptable or ignorable, or unnoticed by most. It can't even just be good. It has to be perfection in every way.

Xeruon1 votes

Oh can we also give him a cape that actually looks and moves like a cape, and not a piece of cardboard attached to his back like Vladimir has?

Anyway, I feel like he should still keep his Passive, since it's the one ability I can look at and say; "Yep, that's definietly Morde." Rest of his kit is a jumbled mess, it can go.

Toa of Death1 votes

That's how I feel about Cho'Gath. I want his future rework to retain the menacing, malevolent kaiju monster theme and I also want them to keep the "more intelligent than he looks" theme as well. I remember a rioter talking about having him change appearance with each feast stack and I really hope they use that.

Aldduren1 votes

Sometimes i feel i am one of the hundred players on euw that loves playing Mordekaiser and Aatrox... Sure, they could do with some quality of life changes, but they're not really bad. They're just extremely hard to get right, and like Urgot simply too situational to be viable. They depend too much on what champions are picked by both teams, rather than the skill of each player in the game.

Keìron1 votes

Malicious Metal i imagine you elaborated a rework concept for the iron revenant. I would really like to see it! :) Ps. Sry for my english

FallenSeruvim1 votes

The issue is they already gave him the Ryze/Poppy update work once. And it fell on its face, grossly overpowered, nerfed to hell, and fallen flat on its face because of poor commitment to the vision invested. Same as Kog'maw. changes were constantly happening, exciting balancing changes trying to get him in a perfect spot. Now he contributes equal if not less than the other adc's, in terms of dmg, along with zero mobility in order to be able to apply it. I feel Kog needed an almost juggernaut approach to balancing. He's not necessarily an ADC, he's an immobile turret that can move around in between team fights haha. Increase his dmg out put, and increase his vulnerability so there can be real and true "PROTECT THE KOG" team builds.

Myst Desdemona1 votes

I always thought that it would be cool if morderkaiser can just inhabit his slaves, whether when he chooses to or when he dies. Perhaps get access to all their tools except their ultimates (Kinda like abathur in HOTS); anything to differentiate it from Yorick. Then again, Yorick is going to get reworked so we don't know what's in store for that one. Would definitely make for interesting plays. That and their souls would literally be his. By extention, that could maybe apply to dragon.

I only played Morde like a 100 games so my opinion doesn't hold much water, but it's still fun to play him. One thing is for sure. His passive needs to stay. It's my favorite thing about him. Makes for some very hilarious moment where you refuse to die at less than fifty hp.

What Is Smite1 votes

If anything Morde should be kept as a juggernaut, however his W could be scrapped for a new one, but since it it his only healing mechanic as a juggernaut then I suggest they move the heal over to his passive where once the shield starts to decay he gains the amount decayed back as health. I know it sounds something similar to garen but to get that health back you actually have to put yourself in harms way to heal back up, it would make his passive more of a choice thing where you either: 1) Use that Shield to Block some incoming damage or 2) Let the shield Decay and regain some of the HP you have lost. Being a slow immobile Harbinger of Death is not an issue to most morde players, There are items that allow us to have immense catch potential (Thanks item 3116 item 1402 item 3146 item 3285 ).

spacedog981 votes

Am i the only one who misses the old Taric's Character and his wonderful voice and armor?

Keepe1 votes

Liked his old voice better, so. No?

Granted, I miss the HELL out of Old Nasus.

Keepe1 votes

Mord originally had a pretty solid kit.

When I think of Mord NOW, I see a mess cobbled together out of Riot TRYING something new, failing MISERABLY, and then just refusing to admit they were wrong.

If you solidify his themes by his MODERN iteration, I cannot support that. His modern iteration was thrown under a bus and left to die.

If you refer to his OLDER iteration, a solid kit, then I can support that for a solidifying theme.

Edit, I do like the ghostly dragon.

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