Can we remove Garen's Silence?

RAT IN GAME UwU ·Oct 22, 2015·2 votes·1,418 views

He's gotten to a similar feel as Leblanc and Talon pre nerf where he lands his silence and if he's a little bit ahead his whirlwind almost kills you and R just finishes you off, especially if you're the villain. His reward for landing Q up close should not be a guaranteed kill, even getting a flash out of someone is a small victory, which they cannot do next time they fight generally, Garen is just out of control with the rework because he's so simple to play any new player could play him with success without actually practicing and mastering him, whereas a lot of champions you have to actually play a few times to do well with.

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ModWulf HelhammerOct 22, 20154 votes

The difference is that Talon and LeBlanc could jump on you and deal a ton of damage to you (even if they weren't fed) and you couldn't do anything. For Garen he literally has to run up to you and hit you, and only deals a ton of damage if you are A) the villain, or B) he is fed

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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The difference is that Talon and LeBlanc could jump on you and deal a ton of damage to you (even if they weren't fed) and you couldn't do anything. For Garen he literally has to run up to you and hit you, and only deals a ton of damage if you are A) the villain, or B) he is fed

My problem with him is that he is every bit of an assassin as he is a tank, think about what he does, if he catches you out of position he kills you instantly, and NOT if you're the villain, i don't understand why people think he does no damage when you're not the villain, his Q and E still do a ton, and his R still will kill you if you're low.

Tanks are supposed to engage and soak damage, not engage, chunk the whole team down to nothing, R a random player and delete them and then hit Q and chase down the rest of the entire team

Why is he banned every game if he's not a problem? Why are you only able to play him using blind pick or team builder if he's not a problem? Where is the logic? Every one of the reworked bruisers needs to be reverted or olaf'd because they're all pick/ban still except skarner.

J EevoOct 22, 20152 votes

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Tanks are supposed to engage and soak damage, not engage, chunk the whole team down to nothing, R a random player and delete them and then hit Q and chase down the rest of the entire team

That is true, which is why he is now classified as a** Juggernaut** instead of a Tank - He gets rewarded for getting in range with his abilities because all of them are heavily telegraphed. The only time you can actually argue it's unfair is when he ambushes you out of a bush and that one is still your fault - not enough vision, lacking in ward coverage.

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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That is true, which is why he is now classified as a** Juggernaut** instead of a Tank - He gets rewarded for getting in range with his abilities because all of them are heavily telegraphed. The only time you can actually argue it's unfair is when he ambushes you out of a bush and that one is still your fault - not enough vision, lacking in ward coverage.

ambushing you seems a bit assassin-like, why does he get to be a tank assassin? why does that exist? he doesn't become a brawler or a juggernaut, he is a fucking tank with insane damage, he becomes tankier than any other champion while maintaining more damage. he doesn't need +30 permanent armor/mr with his damage, he doesn't need a silence, he doesn't need a true damage ult, it's ridiculous! he should be rewarded for doing something that requires skill, not buying swiftness boots with alacrity and hitting Q, W, R and getting a kill, have you seen how good other players have to be to do anything against a garen? there is no balance between skill, risk, and reward, there are no risks being garen, you go for a kill, if you don't catch them and the entire enemy team catches you you just run away soaking ridiculous amounts of damage and never dying.

J EevoOct 22, 20151 votes

He is literally the entry level beefy char that's supposed to teach beginners "how to league", his kit is simple on purpose, and he has nothing in his kit that allows him to ambush you, the only way to ambush with Garen is to use the Garen-in-the-brush bronze secret technique, which is what EVERY CHAMPION EVER can do.

As to if he's balanced, probably not, EVERY juggernaut introduced seems unbalanced, but I'd say the problem lies more in the killing tank design, which of course can be adjusted by lowering the damage or the inherent tankiness, taking away garen's ONLY WAY OF CC would just shoehorn him into a meatball damage character and would just make him bad.

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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He is literally the entry level beefy char that's supposed to teach beginners "how to league", his kit is simple on purpose, and he has nothing in his kit that allows him to ambush you, the only way to ambush with Garen is to use the Garen-in-the-brush bronze secret technique, which is what EVERY CHAMPION EVER can do.

As to if he's balanced, probably not, EVERY juggernaut introduced seems unbalanced, but I'd say the problem lies more in the killing tank design, which of course can be adjusted by lowering the damage or the inherent tankiness, taking away garen's ONLY WAY OF CC would just shoehorn him into a meatball damage character and would just make him bad.

he's so bad in every way, i'm just trying to think of realistic things to get the pick/ban status removed, he's been sitting as pick/ban for MONTHS riot doesn't even fucking care, they're just like...check out our skins, buy kindred, lets nerf darius' slow, I think we're gonna rework poppy after worlds...like...what the fuck!? every current problem goes to the backburner while they get ready to create more problems, I don't even want to play when they rework yet another bruiser champion.

AbyssphereOct 22, 20151 votes

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he's so bad in every way, i'm just trying to think of realistic things to get the pick/ban status removed, he's been sitting as pick/ban for MONTHS riot doesn't even fucking care, they're just like...check out our skins, buy kindred, lets nerf darius' slow, I think we're gonna rework poppy after worlds...like...what the fuck!? every current problem goes to the backburner while they get ready to create more problems, I don't even want to play when they rework yet another bruiser champion.

He's picked or banned in 20% of games. What world are you living in?

Noctius28Oct 22, 20151 votes

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ambushing you seems a bit assassin-like, why does he get to be a tank assassin? why does that exist? he doesn't become a brawler or a juggernaut, he is a fucking tank with insane damage, he becomes tankier than any other champion while maintaining more damage. he doesn't need +30 permanent armor/mr with his damage, he doesn't need a silence, he doesn't need a true damage ult, it's ridiculous! he should be rewarded for doing something that requires skill, not buying swiftness boots with alacrity and hitting Q, W, R and getting a kill, have you seen how good other players have to be to do anything against a garen? there is no balance between skill, risk, and reward, there are no risks being garen, you go for a kill, if you don't catch them and the entire enemy team catches you you just run away soaking ridiculous amounts of damage and never dying.

ambushing is something every champ can and should do given the chance, regardless of type

He is not a tank assassin, a tank assassin would be someone who goes in, kills and is out of sight in less than a second AND has ungodly amounts of HP He is however a juggernaut, a slow lumbering giant with the health of a tank and the damage of an ADC but with the mobility of a crippled snail in relation to other champions

Does HAVING to buy mobility boots instead of tank or damage boots indicate nothing to you that his mobility is incredibly lacking?

How good do other player have to be? Easy... they just have to walk in the other direction and if he DOES get closer using all his mobility (Q, level 3 boots, deadmans plate) they use their CC or dash to get away and keep poking away with ranged abilities

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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ambushing is something every champ can and should do given the chance, regardless of type

He is not a tank assassin, a tank assassin would be someone who goes in, kills and is out of sight in less than a second AND has ungodly amounts of HP He is however a juggernaut, a slow lumbering giant with the health of a tank and the damage of an ADC but with the mobility of a crippled snail in relation to other champions

Does HAVING to buy mobility boots instead of tank or damage boots indicate nothing to you that his mobility is incredibly lacking?

How good do other player have to be? Easy... they just have to walk in the other direction and if he DOES get closer using all his mobility (Q, level 3 boots, deadmans plate) they use their CC or dash to get away and keep poking away with ranged abilities

i've never seen a garen with mobis

swiftness however DOES actually make him like this, and why the hell would he buy mercs or ninja tabi when his passive gives MORE mr/armor than the boots would, it's a free, don't even buy boots with tank stats option, he literally does go in, ww, and run out if he's in danger, the only difference is he doesn't HAVE to run out as fast because while he is in there he is able to soak a ton of damage, while dealing a ton of aoe damage, and at any time can leave the situation if he wants to, or he can just kill everyone

CrettOct 22, 20153 votes

Big difference; Leblanc and Talon have instant gap closers

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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Big difference; Leblanc and Talon have instant gap closers

This is true, and looking back on what I wrote, it won't fix him, but it will at least let you get away from him, there shouldn't be champions that get a kill or two ahead and guaranteed WILL kill you if you don't stay out of range of them

CrettOct 22, 20151 votes

Akali Yasuo Kalista Darius Draven Fiora Leblanc Rengar

Snowbally champions are everywhere. I hate them too

Lord BoltrixOct 22, 20152 votes

Well that is the thing about the Juggernauts: they are tanky and do damage, but the majority of all their damage is dealt at or around melee range, and they have no gap closers, meaning without burning a flash, all they can do to do their damage is get close to you... which you can negate by doing something very simple.

Walking away from them and keeping them at a distance.

If you die as Talon or LeBlanc against a Garen by himself, here is what happened: you were out of position and couldn't keep Garen off of you, which is shameful: Leblanc is the queen of juking with her slow/root and her ability to dash once or twice if she uses her extremely short-cooldown ultimate, and Talon has slows and a stealth ultimate disengage that exist, again, on a relatively short cooldown.

For Garen to put his silence on you, he'd have to literally run up to you unobstructed, with you not doing your part to keep your distance, or you face-checked an unwarded bush. If you die as either of them to a Garen, it's not the Garen being good, it's the Garen being single-minded enough to chase a target who in turn couldn't somehow keep his distance, despite having the tools to be able to disengage from them as needed.

In other words, it's you being bad.

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 23, 20151 votes

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Well that is the thing about the Juggernauts: they are tanky and do damage, but the majority of all their damage is dealt at or around melee range, and they have no gap closers, meaning without burning a flash, all they can do to do their damage is get close to you... which you can negate by doing something very simple.

Walking away from them and keeping them at a distance.

If you die as Talon or LeBlanc against a Garen by himself, here is what happened: you were out of position and couldn't keep Garen off of you, which is shameful: Leblanc is the queen of juking with her slow/root and her ability to dash once or twice if she uses her extremely short-cooldown ultimate, and Talon has slows and a stealth ultimate disengage that exist, again, on a relatively short cooldown.

For Garen to put his silence on you, he'd have to literally run up to you unobstructed, with you not doing your part to keep your distance, or you face-checked an unwarded bush. If you die as either of them to a Garen, it's not the Garen being good, it's the Garen being single-minded enough to chase a target who in turn couldn't somehow keep his distance, despite having the tools to be able to disengage from them as needed.

In other words, it's you being bad.

I don't die to him, but i'm forced to play with 4 morons i've never met before when i play ranked, or at least 3, and they often do die to him, i can't carry a team that's fed a garen so much that nothing kills him 20 minutes in.

Lord BoltrixOct 23, 20151 votes

Well, why not go the extra mile to avoid that then? Find people who fit your playstyle (passive-aggressive, defensive, quirky, etc.) and form a team, if you really find jugg's like Garen a problem, you have a way to deal with it through forming a team and getting a coordinated way to deal with them.

You can't expect much of solo queue because strangers by nature feel little camaraderie with each other initially, and any of that which builds up can easily collapse if one of you lags behind. That, and people have the strangest urge to try to fight a fed target when they are behind by themselves because they think they can win said duel.

SEKAIOct 22, 20152 votes

Garen doesn't have a blink or any form of CC beyond his silence.

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20152 votes

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Garen doesn't have a blink or any form of CC beyond his silence.

Why does garen need CC? he does the most damage of any champion that doesn't actually build any damage items...typical garen builds are 4 armor/mr, boots, and a black cleaver and he will instantly kill anyone he can get next to if he's a few kills ahead.

that and he is only slower than udyr in bear form once he hits Q

SEKAIOct 22, 20152 votes

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Why does garen need CC? he does the most damage of any champion that doesn't actually build any damage items...typical garen builds are 4 armor/mr, boots, and a black cleaver and he will instantly kill anyone he can get next to if he's a few kills ahead.

that and he is only slower than udyr in bear form once he hits Q

If you do, he will not perform well at all considering anyone and their mother would just blink or dash away as soon as they get into range.

And the only solution to fix it will be giving him literally insta kill or outright immortality to compensate for his 0 utility.

You don't want that, at all.

And No, Garen does build damage. Out of his top 5 items according to LoLKing, 3 of them are BC, Dead Man's Plate and Sunfire.

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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If you do, he will not perform well at all considering anyone and their mother would just blink or dash away as soon as they get into range.

And the only solution to fix it will be giving him literally insta kill or outright immortality to compensate for his 0 utility.

You don't want that, at all.

And No, Garen does build damage. Out of his top 5 items according to LoLKing, 3 of them are BC, Dead Man's Plate and Sunfire.

deadmans plate and sunfire are not damage items...they are tank items, i'm talking about doing damage that other champions have to build items that have attack damage on them to do

SEKAIOct 22, 20152 votes

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deadmans plate and sunfire are not damage items...they are tank items, i'm talking about doing damage that other champions have to build items that have attack damage on them to do

Don't ever underestimate the power of Sunfire and DMP full stack.

ElipoOct 22, 20151 votes

I build him full ad and black cleaver for tankiness :B and then if we still havent won the game and I have gold to spend after my ad items I get deadman's plate

still, I think the problem with garen is not the silence, but the insane amount of damage he deals to his villian

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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I dissagree, I think his silence is not bad, but the true damage he can deal to the villian that's what should be nerfed

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I build him full ad and black cleaver for tankiness :B and then if we still havent won the game and I have gold to spend after my ad items I get deadman's plate

still, I think the problem with garen is not the silence, but the insane amount of damage he deals to his villian

I don't understand why the execute doing true damage where lets be honest in MOST situation he's just overkilling them for a laughable amount of damage anyway, whereas without villain he'd still have gotten them.

if he only was an extreme tank and strong against one player at a time, I wouldn't even care, but that's clearly not the case, he wouldn't be almost 100% ban/pick rate in most ranked tiers if this was the case

DarkRitualOct 22, 20152 votes

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Why does garen need CC? he does the most damage of any champion that doesn't actually build any damage items

Nasus would like to have a word with you.

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 23, 20151 votes

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Nasus would like to have a word with you.

i'll talk to nasus 30 minutes in

ShonjlOct 22, 20152 votes

If you are Villian, you aren't suppose to fight him. Also his Villian mechanic is nothing more than a gimmick. Be totally honest and how many times has it actually been useful? Nearly every Garen is just going to spin and ult whoever is low, not Villian in general. Also his silence is 1.5 seconds and require to be melee range, so there is no way you are dying during it so don't exaggerate. Even an ADC with Villian won't die before it ends so its funny you say such. Most Garen's usually only get Black Cleaver and sometimes Infinity/Hydra as damage, and even with that, their spin only hits like 1k if you stand in the entire thing, by yourself, in a group you are looking at maybe 700. Really not that fancy since by the time he is hitting that hard, its late game and everyone that isn't a tank is hitting that hard anyways.

All you really have to do to beat Garen is CC him after he does his Q, it only removes slows if it is used after it, if he Q then is slowed you will escape with ease. Also Garen is only threatening if he is fed, otherwise you can almost ignore him. Also I feel I have to remind everyone that makes these threads that Garen was NERFED with Juggernaut rework. He was nerfed in all forms for his Villian mechanic which is as much a gimmick as Morde dragon, and slightly better damage late game. So just remember that he was stronger before.

Also how is Garen so bad? Fiora and Darius which are even more common than him beats him with ease and are vastly harder to deal with. Fiora has that dumb easymode teamfight heal, Darius can go from 10% hp to over half with a Q that is on a few second cooldown. All Garen has for him is possibly excuting someone and being able to heal fast if he doesn't die, but doesn't bring nearly as much to the table as other common tops.

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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If you are Villian, you aren't suppose to fight him. Also his Villian mechanic is nothing more than a gimmick. Be totally honest and how many times has it actually been useful? Nearly every Garen is just going to spin and ult whoever is low, not Villian in general. Also his silence is 1.5 seconds and require to be melee range, so there is no way you are dying during it so don't exaggerate. Even an ADC with Villian won't die before it ends so its funny you say such. Most Garen's usually only get Black Cleaver and sometimes Infinity/Hydra as damage, and even with that, their spin only hits like 1k if you stand in the entire thing, by yourself, in a group you are looking at maybe 700. Really not that fancy since by the time he is hitting that hard, its late game and everyone that isn't a tank is hitting that hard anyways.

All you really have to do to beat Garen is CC him after he does his Q, it only removes slows if it is used after it, if he Q then is slowed you will escape with ease. Also Garen is only threatening if he is fed, otherwise you can almost ignore him. Also I feel I have to remind everyone that makes these threads that Garen was NERFED with Juggernaut rework. He was nerfed in all forms for his Villian mechanic which is as much a gimmick as Morde dragon, and slightly better damage late game. So just remember that he was stronger before.

Also how is Garen so bad? Fiora and Darius which are even more common than him beats him with ease and are vastly harder to deal with. Fiora has that dumb easymode teamfight heal, Darius can go from 10% hp to over half with a Q that is on a few second cooldown. All Garen has for him is possibly excuting someone and being able to heal fast if he doesn't die, but doesn't bring nearly as much to the table as other common tops.

irrelevant to what i'm talking about, don't care about villain mechanic.

ShonjlOct 24, 20151 votes

Then your entire thread is irrelevant. Since I went in depth with him and you completely disregard it since i didn't simply say I agreed with you.

Ok, then I guess I will use simplier terms then. Get good or suck it up scrub. Garen isn't overbearing and if you are losing to him, you suck. End of story. Cya.

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 24, 20151 votes

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Then your entire thread is irrelevant. Since I went in depth with him and you completely disregard it since i didn't simply say I agreed with you.

Ok, then I guess I will use simplier terms then. Get good or suck it up scrub. Garen isn't overbearing and if you are losing to him, you suck. End of story. Cya.

eh no, i said that's not what i'm addressing, you're the one saying irrelevant things because I didn't change the entire topic to discuss something else with you, i'm glad you're going, at least I can talk free of random distraction now.

Noctius28Oct 22, 20152 votes

I have played with silvers and diamonds who fed as Garen He is slow, he doesn't have any reliable escape or gapcloser if you let yourself be caught by him then you sir are an idiot

Darius gets movement speed, pulls enemies and slows them Garen has ONLY the silence as any sort of utility CC in his kit The silence is the only way he has to keep anyone near after the struggle to catch them

Please refrain in the future from posting such basic rant with no basis on reality or consideration for the viability of a champion

Spicy RiceOct 22, 20151 votes

Tbh, kinda hard to run from a guy with 500+ movespeed unless you have a bajillion dashes

Noctius28Oct 22, 20151 votes

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Tbh, kinda hard to run from a guy with 500+ movespeed unless you have a bajillion dashes

In a world were every new champ has at least 1 dash and flash is obligatory (not to mention any kind of CC since he lost his tenacity) I don't see how anyone can NOT run away from a Garen

I would know, I have mained the dude since he was unviable And all the people saying he is so easy to play never truly understood the nuances of his Kit

THE RlVER KlNGOct 22, 20151 votes

Haha, you sound like Fiora or Katarina mains claiming their champs take "skill". Pray, tell us of these subtle nuances in a basic attack modifier, shield, aoe, and targeted execute?

Noctius28Oct 22, 20152 votes

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Haha, you sound like Fiora or Katarina mains claiming their champs take "skill". Pray, tell us of these subtle nuances in a basic attack modifier, shield, aoe, and targeted execute?

You just implied that Katarina and Fiora take no skill to play therefore I must assume you are a troll, so no matter what I say you will just dismiss it and continue with your laughable excuse for trolling so no point in even trying =P

THE RlVER KlNGOct 22, 20151 votes

I'm implying Katarina has an easy, safe kit that snowballs like crazy and Fiora has an oppressive, overloaded one that loses to very few matchups nowadays and has too many tools within it.

"You made a point I disagree with, so therefore you are a troll and I'm not going to listen to any of your points because I said so"

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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I have played with silvers and diamonds who fed as Garen He is slow, he doesn't have any reliable escape or gapcloser if you let yourself be caught by him then you sir are an idiot

Darius gets movement speed, pulls enemies and slows them Garen has ONLY the silence as any sort of utility CC in his kit The silence is the only way he has to keep anyone near after the struggle to catch them

Please refrain in the future from posting such basic rant with no basis on reality or consideration for the viability of a champion

please explain how garen doesn't have movespeed...

Noctius28Oct 22, 20151 votes

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please explain how garen doesn't have movespeed...

are you referring to the slight movement speed on his Q cast? The one that is used to get close in the first place? Still taking time and possibly dying in the meanwhile until they reach the target? The one that after cast can be stopped with any kind of CC?

Is that the movement speed you are referencing?

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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are you referring to the slight movement speed on his Q cast? The one that is used to get close in the first place? Still taking time and possibly dying in the meanwhile until they reach the target? The one that after cast can be stopped with any kind of CC?

Is that the movement speed you are referencing?

Slight? are you kidding me? are you a garen main? or sleeping with some guy that dresses like garen?

Noctius28Oct 22, 20151 votes

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Slight? are you kidding me? are you a garen main? or sleeping with some guy that dresses like garen?

I am a Garen main, that is why I know his strengths and weaknesses way better than you do a true test of how easy or powerfull a champion is is when you do a one for all with said champion

I did that, I carried while half my team fed, because they couldnt figure out how to use a "brain dead champ"

It is slight, at the very least because anyone can easily stop his chase by waiting for him to activate it and then use CC on him, completely stopping his engage

Same way you should only use the orange after being CCed as gangplank Same way you don't try to stop Sion ulti with CC

RAT IN GAME UwU Oct 22, 20151 votes

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I am a Garen main, that is why I know his strengths and weaknesses way better than you do a true test of how easy or powerfull a champion is is when you do a one for all with said champion

I did that, I carried while half my team fed, because they couldnt figure out how to use a "brain dead champ"

It is slight, at the very least because anyone can easily stop his chase by waiting for him to activate it and then use CC on him, completely stopping his engage

Same way you should only use the orange after being CCed as gangplank Same way you don't try to stop Sion ulti with CC

I can't even tell if you're serious anymore...night.

THE RlVER KlNGOct 22, 20151 votes

Lol he is an incredible simple champion with little counterplay available for both sides, an easy combo that usually ends in a kill on squishies, and decent tankiness. All targeted and AoE as well.

TyroneWatermelonOct 22, 20152 votes

I rather lower his damage instead of remove silence,because without silence he got left with nothing

ElipoOct 22, 20151 votes

I dissagree, I think his silence is not bad, but the true damage he can deal to the villian that's what should be nerfed

Chuck CharlesOct 22, 20151 votes

garen's silence is incredibly cheesy and I hate it,but like others have said. if you remove it, anyone with a dash or gap closer will just instantly dash and blink away. I mean a lot of champs have a gap closer.

if you want to remove his silence ok, but you'd have to rework him altogether at that point because his entire kit relies on the silence.

the problem is not the silence. the problem is that his entire kit is simple, cheesy, and very unimaginative. I'm surprised they didn't full on rework him, but I guess they do need simpler champions in this game. (garen, annie, etc.)