Senna seems just a little overtuned

HalexUwU·12/9/2019, 6:05:57 PM·6 votes·3,996 views

I feel like Senna is just a little overtuned, and could maybe use a few small nerfs

I think that the biggest issue that I've seen while playing against her is her auto's, they do a lot of damage and have a lot of range (which is partially tied to her passive but even in laning phase its noticeable)

I think a good way that you could nerf down her early game auto damage would be to just lower her base attack damage, but have it scale to basically be the exact same in late game.

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ElnyrJhodo12/9/2019, 7:26:21 PM8 votes

Uh yeah. Major emphesis on LITTLE. Shes insanely broken, like always the new riots champs are not balanced whatsoever.

I don't know why they do this, its fucking stupid.

Lets release a new champ, but everyone and their fucking helmet wearing cousin knows its going to be broke as fuck— so its permaed. ALWAYS.

They don't fucking learn. The riots office is a bunch of clowns bouncing off of one another, wondering where they are and whats going on. They manage one of the best games of the century and they can't understand a simple concept like the above.

Yes that unrealistic of course, but the results would deem its true.

Some marketer monkey said, more people will buy the champ if its broken. Some sona jumped in and offered, things are more fun when they are strong.

Ok sure, but they won't get to play it.

You can see this same logic in all of their new champions. Fun to play, bonkers NOT FUN to PLAY AGAINST. They make the game more fun for the one fuck abusing the broken champ, while making it fucking miserable for the five against it. Perhaps even miserable for the 4 playing with it.

I don't like playing with or against the broken shit, its just not fun.

An off the top of my head review:

She has caitlyn range... or damn close to it, and more on her q.

There is no counterplay to stop her from gathering her stacks.

You can't trade with her as an adc because of her heal on q without hard cc, unless you are maybe draven.

Its nearly impossible to dodge her q without just straight up juking a miss. It'd be one thing if it was like a jinx w, it is not.

Shes like sona and an adc, with a morgana snare... or mini varus ult thingie. I don't need to explain why that is broken.

If shes support and her adc gets low she can make them untargetable AND speed boost them out. The only counterplay is a skillshot guess such as a cait q.

If she actually gets into danger, and you don't have hard cc, she can just speed boost out.

Her speed boost is 20%.

She gets crit for free.

Theres more but thats enough. In short, clearly riot doesn't give a fuck.

All in all, who cares, ban it. Least they gave us five bans.

Past that, it doesn't matter at all, because their matching is such dogshit that you can't play the game anyways. If you are a better player you get worse teammates. Only to watch the fuckers run it down non-stop. Its actually insane to play this game.

If you are a new player, get out, its not worth it. Its a great game, but matching ruins it, straight up.

It hasn't improved in like 3-4 seasons. It only gets worse, with no indication of give a fuck.

Rewt12/9/2019, 10:00:18 PM6 votes

honestly after playing senna. She just feels way too strong. I get the self nerfs and things but like..... Holy fuck She just feels so dumb. Its a support, that functions as a secondary ADC for your team.

I think the problem with senna comes from her overloaded as fuck kit. Are the numbers lower? sure. Doesn't change the fact you have a root, Heal, Shield, and a shit load of damage (and that damage is sustained damage) All in the same kit.

HideSide12/9/2019, 7:51:59 PM2 votes

I think a good way that you could nerf down her early game auto damage would be to just lower her base attack damage, but have it scale to basically be the exact same in late game.

Better would be to nerf her early range and then dmg. She should have it like trist just more noticeable, even on spells...

xxdankspamxx12/11/2019, 2:12:59 AM1 votes

The only weakness is her late game DPS and her incapabilities against semi tanky teams or face hugging champions like Tryndamere MasterYi .

Otherwise, let's look at her digusting capabilities as a champion against anything besides what's listed above. -Higher than Caitlyn attack range -100% crit chance pre 30 -Free lifesteal -Global ult -AOE root (this ability is honestly not great, but is deceptively hard to dodge like Morgana Q for some reason) -%health passive -Unable to deny her souls -Q heals and damage, both doing a healthy amount

Ways to fix her? (Love to hear others/arguments against) -Remove the lifesteal passive -Souls can be denied by enemies (let's say 2 autos) -Remove speed boost on passive -Lower scaling on the damage/higher scaling on healing on Q -Make her Ult range closer to lux's

Karn Bishop12/11/2019, 2:14:53 AM1 votes

Shes fine people just don't like that she has trading power in exchange for having no response to a zed, yasuo, leona ect jumping on you.

Demented Lemur12/11/2019, 6:59:47 AM1 votes

The issue to me is that I feel the concept of a support who can also adc will never be balanced.

The whole idea behind support is that they dont really need items to be useful due to their utility; however, they generally lack the damage or wave clear to operate in a solo lane or in jg. Thresh and braum are good examples of what a support should be imo.

The idea behind adc is they do alot of damage over time; however, they are generally squishy and lack utility.

Senna has the utility of a support but the damage of an adc. So its like the best of both worlds. They need to remove the ad scaling on her supportive abilites and reduce their base values. That way you cant just build like an adc and still have strong utility and vice versa.

Waka FIocka12/10/2019, 6:46:42 PM1 votes

she's my permaban. if my teammate wants her and isnt first pick, too bad. senna is : too safe, too snowbally. she does a lot of damage from a safe range. I feel like she gets souls way too often, from cs and players. Her counters are always banned or picked alongside her making the lane even more annoying. she gets free stats that other supports don't get. her range from the get-go is too high. Her Q self sustain also hits objects like turrets and wards while also having a super long range. Her +ms +camo getaway/gap closer skill is like sona E on steroids. Her root is AoE with a very long range. Her ult moves at lightspeed compared to other global, linear ults. And now she has a support item made just for her (and pyke) that just send these issues over the edge.

basically she gets to enjoy the best of both worlds successfully enough that she can excel as adc or support in a way that other supports can't compete with. it is unfair but I can't really remember the last time riot made changes based on fairness. it's usually about boosting sales on a champ or their new skin... or for esports. people can sit on boards defending her all day but I won't be seeing a senna in my games so I could care less. OTPs abusing OP champs will defend their broken champions for eternity and there's nothing that can be done about that lol. they don't see reason, much like Illabethe saying she doesn't care about winrates or statistics.

Slitorous12/10/2019, 10:25:09 PM1 votes

I believe a nerf is coming for her as she has the highest ban rate of any champion