Disabling champs for Pro but not for normal/ranked games

Ginjavitis·Jun 22, 2018·21 votes·10,394 views

What's with the current trend of disabling champions/strats in pro games but leaving open the same champs and strategies in normal ranked games? so far I've seen Jhin with Rageblade disabled, Karthus with smite disabled due to the nunu/karth strat, and now Taliyah with smite disabled despite being almost pigeonholed into jungle since her mini-rework took away most of her laning strengths, but made her very strong in the jg. Why is the popular thing to do now disable annoying/"OP" things in pro play but let us deal with it in normal games? Shouldn't the goal be to FIX something if it requires being off-limits?

12 Comments

Backup4nowJun 22, 201824 votes

Uhhh... Wasn't Karthus with smite and Taliyah with smite banned because of a gamebreaking bug that caused the game to crash completely? Or did I just read fake news?

AyzevJun 22, 20187 votes

They seem to like band-aids a bit too much lately

LuxannaVeritasJun 22, 20187 votes

Taliyah with smite (and I believe Karthus with smite but I could be wrong with this one) was not disabled because they were strong. They were disabled due to causing the game to crash in pro play.

They micro patched the Taliyah bug so it shouldn't be banned anymore, unless the region hasn't gotten the micro patch yet.

Long story short, Riot's not in the wrong here.

PhDs NutsJun 22, 20184 votes

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Long story short, Riot's not in the wrong here.

I mean, Karthus and Taliyah were causing games to crash. Pretty sure that's still on Riot.

Out of curiosity, what's restricting it to pro play?

LuxannaVeritasJun 22, 20181 votes

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I mean, Karthus and Taliyah were causing games to crash. Pretty sure that's still on Riot.

Out of curiosity, what's restricting it to pro play?

Ah, yeah you're right about that lol

As for just pro play, I haven't seen anything about Taliyah in the "Report a Bug" section, so it's just an educated guess. I've seen Taliyah jungles in my game which didn't break the game either. As for the why, I'm not sure.

DrCyanideJun 22, 20181 votes

I've seen a few players bring up that they've had it happen to them, but not many.

And I think the rarity is the key here. Shen was disabled in the LCS for 2 years or more because of a bug where his ultimate sometimes wouldn't go off. I think they completely re-coded his ult when he got his gameplay update, and that's when they re-enabled him in the LCS. They didn't want to remake over a known bug with a champion, but they were fine with people playing him in their own games for it.

Fisher No ChainsJun 22, 20181 votes

It’s a bug with the max number of cs or stuff like that. I’ve read that, for example, Karthus’s Q spawns a minion every time he casts it, and in pro matches (like, very long games compared to normal ones) it contributed to breaking the maximum number of minions in a single game, or something like that, especially if you see champs like Karthus having 300cs in 15 minutes.

Also consider that pro matches are played on completely different servers with different patches/features, it could be another reason for crashes happening in pro matches and not in regular matches on big servers.

echorevJun 22, 20186 votes

Lowest amount of effort on Riot's part, the lazy good for nothing losers will never step up if it means actually having to work

Pika FoxJun 22, 20183 votes

Tournament play is done on a single patch for consistency. Talxkarth caused a tournament gamr to full on crash because of some restriction, so they pretty much all agreed not to use it as a result.

Server wise the specific interaction is unlikely to occur, and they can patch it.

AwesomeGuyDjJun 23, 20181 votes

The taliyah karthus was a bug which can/is possibly already fixed on live. They stay on the previous patch for longer. (im not sure how long) Jhin with guinsoos was just straight up broken so no comment there.