"Wins Lane" the champion

Mira Arya Enthe··7 votes·756 views

Pantheon Why does this champion exist in his current state? He literally just wins lane. That is all he does. What kind of design is that? Miserable for his enemy early game with almost zero counterplay until high ELO. But absolutely worthless himself late game. That is such a poor design philosophy for a champion. It's miserable for both those playing as and against him. Playing against him you basically just stand around eating spears hoping late game comes eventually. Playing as him, late game no matter how much he destroyed his lane he is worthless. But it's not like you worked to destroy your lane because... that is literally just the design of the champion.

Sorry if this seems like a rage post. I use to enjoy playing Pantheon a lot. But at this point, he is just a miserable design. His entire design is point and click "Wins lane" and that is it. Beyond that he has no value.

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WalkingInACircle6 votes

In midlane we call him Zed

five oh tree 5 votes

I'd just like to say that he doesn't magically get counterplay at higher elo. I recently saw a post talking about his ridiculous winrate in diamond lmao.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Depends, Boxbox couldn't counter him, but in Korean pro-scene high levels of play I'm sure they know of some counterplay.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Koreans can probably figure out how to make Mordekaiser work in a duo lane in Challenger tbh.

They are just too good.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Depends, part of what makes Korean play so top tier is that they understand the games design, strengths, weaknesses and meta. So if Morde isn't useful in that role in that meta in that team comp. It's less about making it work, more about finding what does.

five oh tree 2 votes

There's not really counterplay against him in lane unless you're playing a champion who would have beaten him in the first place. In diamond+ in NA, he has the highest winrate out of all champions this month with a 6.8% playrate. This is mostly because winning lane that hard often means it's a 5v4. He just needs a rework so he's less... gross.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

True but it is not even win rates. Even when he is weak it is disgusting playing against him. Rather face old Yorick or S2 Teemo. Plus as somebody who use to enjoy him, he honestly is just dull to play as.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Depends, Boxbox couldn't counter him, but in Korean pro-scene high levels of play I'm sure they know of some counterplay.

No, there is no real counterplay to Pantheon in a 1v1 laning scenario.

The "counterplay" is that he's easy to gank and if put behind is the most worthless champion in the game. In high elo and competitive that's why he isn't overpowered. Because team play can shut him down.

But yeah, his design is incredibly cancer. One of the worst.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

And dull to play as....

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TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Honestly surprised nobody threw a Riven Joke over here.

RogueWill1 votes

isn't that Nasus way to play as well? Q

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so on...

Catastrop1 votes

Nasus at least suddenly comes to the teamfight and wins game, Pantheon kills one person and maybe doesn't die right after.

RogueWill1 votes

You obviously my friend don't play Nasus. You don't come to teamfights, you let the teamfighst come to you as in... you send 3 people to deal with me or i ain't stopping until I'm Qing your Nexus

Talisid2 votes

he's an old design and he's up for a rework at some point.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

no, that's Aatrox

panth has a nice ult and stuff

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

Aatrox doesn't even win lane anymore. Beat him laning as Shyvana...

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Not related to the thread at all. But I saw Shyv changes on Surrender@20, and I instantly thought of ya, so I figured I'd let you know :P

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/11/1110-pbe-update.html

Mig891 votes

Shyvana [Many changes - hold tight!] Base health "increased" to 595 from 594.6 Base health regen "increased" to 1.72 from 1.7188 ! ( ! ) ! ! ( ! ) ! LOL?

Sahn Uzal1 votes

[Many changes - hold tight!]

Elfador1 votes

I agree. he should have weaker stats early, but have better scaling.

5050BS1 votes

Wins vs him Darius DrMundo Fiora Garen Illaoi Malphite Nasus Riven Quinn Singed ect

Swiftstrike41 votes

He is just a strong early game champion. There are plenty of those in the game with Renekton quickly coming to mind.

Pantheon can most certainly lose lane, and as a top main, I can quickly detect if the pantheon player is good or not.

His ultimate also gives him a lot of map presence while also staying in lane.

High sustain champions that can survive his burst and those that out damage him over time such as Darius do well against him.

His kit is pretty simple though, my biggest complaint against him is his passive. It is either really good in some match-ups or just irrelevant.

He needs a mini-rework, but I don't think he is a champion that just always wins lane. He is having a lot of success in higher Elo because the early game is so important and games are determined often by the 15 or 20 minute mark. That is within the perfect window for pantheon.

They should change his spear, passive, and something about his stun. If they made his stun a skill shot with further range that would probably suffice.

What I do know about pantheon is that once he stops getting kills only his stun and ultimate are relevant for a team.

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