Why is Ashe's ult CD so shortt?

Bladerunner7777··2 votes·1,185 views

I get it, Riot isn't going to nerf Ashe right now because they want to reap that sweet sweet money from the legendary skin. But once you're done with that can we address why her ult is on 100 second cooldown at Rank 1?

For starters, the most common build on her rushes ER which already gives CDR.

Secondly, Ashe's ult is a hard-engage, global range, pick machine. She can all-in in lane, push the wave, back, and show up in lane with her ult almost up again. Come mid-game she should have her ult literally every teamfight. Why is her ult CD much shorter than most ADC/Supports when her ult is one of the most game-changing?

Meanwhile someone like Varus has a 110 sec CD ult (rank 1) and his doesn't even come close to the utility Ashe's ult brings.

I'm not one to call for a gutting because a particular champion has a high winrate. But I think just nerfing her ult CD and leaving everything the same would be reasonable for Ashe mains similar to Irelia's recent nerfs.

19 Comments

redfeenix6 votes

same cd as rengar ult, so she can stun him when he jumps her.

Bladerunner77772 votes

lol [slayer-jinx-wink]

Dynikus4 votes

didn't sona get nerfed into the ground right around the time they released her ultimate skin?

Bladerunner77772 votes

Dj sona dance was 2 stronk

Marshbouy3 votes

So she doesn't get raped by assassins 24v7, even though she already does.

Handy Sandy 3 votes

100 secs is a normal time for an ult cooldown...

Warmanreaper2 votes

I dont see how it's game-changing... It's an arrow that freezes you and does almost no damage. My main's Draven ultimate is more useful than ashe's but it somewhat needs a buff when it comes to sniping players with it.. (it's what its mainly used for)

Marshbouy2 votes

it's about the utility not the damage, any buff to her ullt or making it more impactful would make her horribly busted.

Warmanreaper1 votes

? It's utility is fine .. if you use it at close range its literally useless , you have to have enough skill to actually snipe somebody a decent distance away as the longer it travels the longer the stun, I just think they should make the hit box smaller.

Marshbouy1 votes

THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT IM SAYING.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

That's not really what you said at all, what you said was "the problem is the utility, and buffs would make it horribly busted", to which Warman talked about how the utility was variable and not always useful.

Bladerunner77772 votes

3 second stun (at longer range) is nothing to sneeze at. Not to mention it has a potent slow if it hits nearby players

Either way Ashe has a high winrate that needs to be looked at and I'm sure Ashe players would prefer a CD nerf than an all around damage nerf

Ashe Jungle1 votes

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3 second stun (at longer range) is nothing to sneeze at. Not to mention it has a potent slow if it hits nearby players

Either way Ashe has a high winrate that needs to be looked at and I'm sure Ashe players would prefer a CD nerf than an all around damage nerf

I would prefer an all around damage nerf. Ashe is supposed to be a utility marksman; there's no reason she needs her best-in-class dps as well.

Personally, I think adding a short cooldown on her Q, or nerfing its AD ratio, would be reasonable.

item 1419 item 3006 item 3071 item 3812 item 3065 item 3143 does absurd amounts of damage, considering I have 4 slots' worth of defensive itemization.

I mean, obviously I don't want a nerf. But I accept that one is coming, and I'd rather have it hit strengths that I don't care about.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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I would prefer an all around damage nerf. Ashe is supposed to be a utility marksman; there's no reason she needs her best-in-class dps as well.

Personally, I think adding a short cooldown on her Q, or nerfing its AD ratio, would be reasonable.

item 1419 item 3006 item 3071 item 3812 item 3065 item 3143 does absurd amounts of damage, considering I have 4 slots' worth of defensive itemization.

I mean, obviously I don't want a nerf. But I accept that one is coming, and I'd rather have it hit strengths that I don't care about.

The most sensible nerf q (stack) damage nerf.Ashe's ad ratio is fine.

I was playing Zac.I had enough armor but Ashe did 5.3k damage in two seconds.Only with her q.Ridiculous.

Ashe Jungle1 votes

I think you may be confused. When Ashe has 4 stacks of focus, she can activate her Q to gain bonus attack speed and make her autoattacks do more damage on hit. It's also an AA reset.

The "extra damage" part of that doesn't have any base damage. It's an additional AD ratio, 23-27% based on level, per AA.

So when I mentioned nerfing the Q AD ratio, it is her autoattack damage while her Q is active that I am talking about nerfing -- the exact same thing as you.

Ashe Jungle2 votes

Hi there. I've got ~150k mastery on Ashe earned this season. I've played her in all 5 roles, primarily the jungle.

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I get it, Riot isn't going to nerf Ashe right now because they want to reap that sweet sweet money from the legendary skin. But once you're done with that can we address why her ult is on 100 second cooldown at Rank 1?

First off, I want to note that Ashe has been this strong throughout the season (actually, she was stronger when Maw and Steraks stacked); it's just taken until now for people to pick up on it.

For starters, the most common build on her rushes ER which already gives CDR.

Secondly, Ashe's ult is a hard-engage, global range, pick machine. She can all-in in lane, push the wave, back, and show up in lane with her ult almost up again. Come mid-game she should have her ult literally every teamfight. Why is her ult CD much shorter than most ADC/Supports when her ult is one of the most game-changing?

You need crit from other sources to get the full cdr. So if you mean, she gets 30% cdr by the time laning ends, then you'd be right. But she's not showing up with a 70-second ult at level 6; she's got a BF and maybe a zeal, warhammer, or greaves, just like every other carry.

Meanwhile someone like Varus has a 110 sec CD ult (rank 1) and his doesn't even come close to the utility Ashe's ult brings.

Varus is a seige/poke champion who's as much an ad caster as a marksman. His ult is a highly effective counter-engage tool that can root entire teams for a guaranteed 2 seconds. Since the correct response to poke and siege is to force an engage, that's a very powerful tool. If it had a short cooldown, his opponents would be left with option 1 --- get poked down -- and option 2 -- waste cooldowns trying to force an engage, then get poked down. That is to say, no choice at all.

By contrast, Ashe's ult is not a great disengage tool, and while it is a strong engage tool, it's also relatively slow/easy to dodge (compared to, say, jinx/ez ult), incredibly hard to hit at long ranges, and hard countered by banshee's or qss.

Sivir, MF, Kalista, Urgot and Jhin have 120 second rank 1 ult cooldowns. So does Ez, but it's reduced by Q's. Luc and Draven's are 110 seconds. Ashe, Graves, Trist, and Vayne are 100 seconds. Jinx, Cait, and Twitch are 90s. Corki, Kog, and Quinn can't be compared; Kindred doesn't go bot. Her ult is on the shorter side, sure, but not crazily out of line like you're making it out to be.

I'm not one to call for a gutting because a particular champion has a high winrate. But I think just nerfing her ult CD and leaving everything the same would be reasonable for Ashe mains similar to Irelia's recent nerfs.

I agree with you that Ashe is too strong right now and deserves a nerf (though ofc I don't want to see her gutted). I disagree that her ult cooldown is the place to do it.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

''I get it, Riot isn't going to nerf Ashe right now because they want to reap that sweet sweet money from the legendary skin.''

Wonderful comment.Congrats.You're right.

Ashe legendary skin, Fiora skin buffs.We know Riot.

Ashe is op right now.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

Ashe's EU LCS win rate is 68%.

High win and pick rate but legendary skin and moneys.Riot likes them.

Dunkrius2g1 votes

Too much cd for all Champs. Increase cd for her ultimate AFTER riot gets money.

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