AP assassins state as of now?

AMADEUSdotEXE··1 votes·643 views

It seems like ap assassins are really hard to carry with (ahri aside). What with tanks being a pain to kill ( bruiser Fiora particularly in my opinion). Like during laning phase yeah sure you can get fed go 10/0 or whatever but when teamfighting phase comes actually "teamfighting" is very difficult without dying in the process. While they do have defensive items such as zhonyas and pretty good means of getting in and getting out whilst killing their target, (why is ms fortune so damn hard to assassinate when shes got an even score with me lol) actually surviving the fight or at least doing more than killing the squishy and then dying. My last 2 games were as kassadin and akali (both teams i was on lacked peel (unfortunately im forced to use team builder instead of blind draft because of how slow my in game chat is in champ select, and in team builder you can only be so picky))and i did well my self for the earlier parts of the game but could not find a way to actually be effective during teamfights or even carry even with how fed i was though my farm was meh. Later on in the game i found myself either dying trying to assassinate or going in and dying immediately after. Yes i know kassadin isnt the strongest ap assassin but i also lay and own others. I know fizz was nerfed not too long ago and while i do enjoy him its kind of a real pain that his only means of escape (E) is now a core part of his damage and most people are smart enought to move away from the troll pole. AP shaco is more about mindgames in teamfights and either way i feel like ad shaco is a much better choice. Other examples such as katarina (depending on how much cc the enemy team has there isnt that much you can really do especially if thier team is relatively tanky), teemo, who isnt THAT difficult to carry with but he does share his own problems what with his small auto range, ekko i dont play that much or know that much about, but i personally feel as though he is one of the few that carrying and teamfighting arent that difficult with, akali, (pink ward/reveal = less time to kill your target,) who's natural and added on spellvamp is usefull to keep her alive but teamfighting with her against a team with either wide ranged aoe spells, reveals, grievous wounds, or a good amount of hard cc seem to make me feel helpless as an akali player, is eve even an assassin now?, Leblanc, who from what ive heard her late game falls off, and i dont play nidaleee enough to give my opinion on how teamfighting is with her. Anyways, what im trying to ask is how are the ap assassins doing in LoL as of now? Are they actually still strong picks? is teamfighting supposed to be a weakness? or do they just rely on peel more than the ad assassins? My focus on this is primarily melee assassins because ahri can poke when she pleases. Id really appreciate the info. Alo its midnight so excuse the lack of grammar.

18 Comments

Ionian3 votes

Diana Elise Fizz Leblanc Nidalee Viable ap assassins, not including Ahri ofc. Akali Kassadin do suck right now.

Caraméla1 votes

Diana and Elise are not even assassins, and akali and kassa dont suck they just need a bit more skill to be played good -.-

Stiv12343 votes

Diana can oneshot anyone who gets hit by her Q as soon as level 6. AP Elise kills squishies with (E)QWRQ and melts tanks in seconds with spiderform W.

Caraméla1 votes

i totally agree with you but the dmg is not the only factor to call someone assassin, with this logic annie is an assassin also a super assassin in fact :P

Stiv12341 votes

Well, assassins are also mostly melee and have some mobility while being squishy.

Ionian1 votes

Diana and Elise have burst and mobility, therefore they are assassins. Akali and Kass suck and take absolute zero skill to play.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6zE6krqY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-03T07:03:56.728+0000)

Diana Elise Fizz Leblanc Nidalee Viable ap assassins, not including Ahri ofc. Akali Kassadin do suck right now.

Ok well yeah it seemed like with akali and kassadin every game would be 1 shot thier adc > zhonyas > try to keep fighting/escape > die

MadManApocalypse2 votes

Hey uhm... wall of text much? add a TL:DR and some spacing

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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Hey uhm... wall of text much? add a TL:DR and some spacing

It was 12 am...

Only Play Darius2 votes

As opposed to AD assassins?

AP assassins have superior itemization options and scale harder into late game due to deathcap. If you're really bitching about AP assassins being weaker than their AD counterparts then you need your head examined.

pripustas2 votes

100% Agree. Not only AD assassins have 0 items for them (someone from Riot confirmed, that AD assassins have no items designed for them) But they also can't get Zhonyas.. Whoever downvoted this guy is clearly salty and has 0 knowledge

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6zE6krqY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-09-03T07:27:14.579+0000)

As opposed to AD assassins?

AP assassins have superior itemization options and scale harder into late game due to deathcap. If you're really bitching about AP assassins being weaker than their AD counterparts then you need your head examined.

Im not bitching. If i was bitching i'd be like "why did they have to nerf fizz fk riot blah blah blah"

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

One does not simply suck with ahri

Ionian1 votes

can confirm

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

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One does not simply suck with ahri

There she blows.

shadecrapper1 votes

Assassins in general aren't in their element when everyone is grouped 24/7 and teamfights are happening at alarming rates. Fizz item 3143 item 3157 item 3165 item 3102 item 1324 item 3025 Enjoy never dying

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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Assassins in general aren't in their element when everyone is grouped 24/7 and teamfights are happening at alarming rates. Fizz item 3143 item 3157 item 3165 item 3102 item 1324 item 3025 Enjoy never dying

Yeah thats kind of a constant problem in my division. At 20 minutes you pretty much either bandwagon and group mid or get 4v1ed trying to split push because you know 1 ward aint enough.

Bondage Bunnyboy1 votes

LeBlanc fits into comps with heavy AD pretty nicely. She'll be able to choose from multiple targets (aside from Mundo and his megatank friends) to burst because they won't build shitloads of MR to counter her specifically (and one banshee's veil isn't too difficult to pop and negate with void staff). If she's on a heavy AP team it can be difficult.

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