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The state of jungle

Morbys·1/18/2020, 6:13:44 PM·32 votes·12,806 views

How much more are they going to nerf jungle? Directly and Indirectly, they made it so only a select pool of junglers can viably play. They put a ton of pressure on ganking and ganking often. They completely gutted jungle experience, and even when you're carrying hard, you're still behind in levels and experience to solo lanes. Why is this even a thing. I used to love playing jungler, and now its just a garbage role that has little to no impact the moment you fall behind even a little. There's just no reason to play it. If I autofill jungle im just going top.

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BONUS DMG 2NOOBS1/18/2020, 8:17:54 PM23 votes

Because r%%%%%ed laners whined for 2 years. They couldn't learn to play safe when they didnt know location of enemy jungler. Now the role is so dumpstered jungle mains are quitting or learning new roles. RIOT will fix in season11 maybe? Meanwhile the crybabies laners can get auto filled to jungle and learn to play the role that they ruined.

Almaterrador1/18/2020, 9:24:47 PM10 votes

It isn't that bad, it just forces you to be more active on the map and get more ganks going. My only issue with the current state is, you are winning hard or you are losing hard. There isn't an in-between. Plus, its pretty hard to be relevant again once you've fallen behind.

Gath Immortal1/19/2020, 12:45:57 AM6 votes

Jungle will always be a huge problem to balance as long as mandatory objectives exist in single centralized locations. The game revolves around dragon and that's why top lane feels like an island, the jungler is basically obligated to camp bot lane to try and get picks when dragons come up to make it safer or straight up lose, problem is if jungle xp is too high they can do this with impunity and if it's too low (feels like it to me right now) they lose 2 or more levels for a single mistake.

Honestly what riot should do is make the map/jungle bigger, add more camps of varying difficulty/reward and make it so dragon has a spawn location at top and bottom and then spawn them at random so you don't always know which lane you have to play around. This does two things: it will force more map movement and more rotations to cover objectives, and if you add harder camps and make smaller camps less useful to core junglers, you can effectively have the jungler be a very specialized champion, while supports and solo laners who lose lane can dip their toes in for free gold and xp early and that extra gold and xp will also make rotating less punishing so you can be more active on the map with more than just the jungler. This could also potentially break up the top/mid/jung/adc/supp meta that the game was built around and allow for emergent gameplay to surface.

Crescent Dusk1/18/2020, 9:30:13 PM6 votes

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How much more are they going to nerf jungle? Directly and Indirectly, they made it so only a select pool of junglers can viably play. They put a ton of pressure on ganking and ganking often. They completely gutted jungle experience, and even when you're carrying hard, you're still behind in levels and experience to solo lanes. Why is this even a thing. I used to love playing jungler, and now its just a garbage role that has little to no impact the moment you fall behind even a little. There's just no reason to play it. If I autofill jungle im just going top.

Cool, so you buff jungle experience. Now Udyr/Lee Sin/Olaf/Rengar/Warwick/Xin Zhao/Elise can come take more of your camps without you being able to 1v1 them, and since jungle camps give more exp, it's an even bigger gap between you and the enemy jungler.

You people keep inventing this issue of ganking being the issue when ganking is the only way for weak 1v1 junglers like Kayn and Evelynn to stay even in exp and gold since the strong duelist junglers are bullying you out of all your camps.

The issue is not jungle xp or gold. The issue is how easy it is to deny the enemy jungle xp and gold if your champ is a stronger 1v1 champ than theirs. The xp changes just made it so other lanes can join the bullying too since it's not just the enemy jungler who will take your camps, but mid will look to invade 24/7 and top/support lane as well.

ProphetOfDraven1/19/2020, 8:19:23 AM6 votes

Riot is not in touch with their community. We didnt want junglers to be weaker, we wanted them to have less impact on the game. Stop letting junglers win laners lanes for them before its even 3 minutes. Junglers HAVE to be strong. They are the most prone to being put behind and kept behind due to not having a reliable source of gold + exp, and what they do have is unsafe ( no turret ). What they can't be is both strong AND impactful.

F1uttershy20751/19/2020, 4:32:19 AM5 votes

Riot can honestly fix this issue pretty easily

All they have to do is Randomize the Dragons Spawns Between Baron and Dragon pit and just remove Rift herald ( sorry Riot you single handedly made this lovely objective utterly useless now with the dragons)

Other then that i agree. with every thing, This season was solely made to try and Spike the importance and want for players to be jungles that's obvious with how many "Jungle Champions" riots is trying to deploy. Issue is You're trying to make a role popular that most players hate / refuse to play because you've bitch slapped the role for so many years..

22 Caliber Rifle1/19/2020, 9:55:10 AM5 votes

Welcome to the jungle, mind looking at my 42% w/r in ranked because even if I carry, teams will feed and i'm still 40 levels below everyone XD

https://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=22%20Caliber%20Rifle

Greydox1/19/2020, 12:26:12 AM4 votes

Honestly it is so bad. I don't understand, the Jungle was not that strong before, it felt pretty balanced. You had a wide range of champions to play in the jungle, and if you played really well you could take over a game, but most of the time it was even.

I have jungle mained for a LONG time. I suck at laning, terrible so I started jungling and I could impact games, I could be an asset instead of a liability. My macro game is way better than my twitch mechanics.

Now I honestly feel like a liability again. I used to tank jungle a lot, champs like voli, amumu, rek'sai etc. Now it's unplayable. The only way right now to have a good game on a jungler is to get lucky and get an early kill or 2, maybe even 3 to be safe. Otherwise I'm stuck just running around in teamfights trying to distract them long enough that maybe my team can do something while they are chasing me, thirsty for the kill on the jungler who is 2-3 levels down. There is zero way to impact the game from the jungle right now, except to play an assassin and go for constant ganks.

I'm honestly thinking about just quitting. There is literally no enjoyment from playing as a jungler right now.

Stephenizgod1/18/2020, 9:53:04 PM4 votes

Every single game: Enemy Jungle is ganking non-stop killing everyone while my Jungler sits in the jungle doing nothing for 20 minutes.

I don't understand why people do this, GANK GANK GANK GANK GANK GANK! You are useless if you arent ganking, every lane is feeding because enemy jungler has 88% kill participation and you have 0%... Stop farming and gank or be prepared to 1v9... only two option for Jungler right now.

Thefrostyviking1/18/2020, 10:10:47 PM3 votes

OP your statement is bullshit xD

Those gank spamming junglers, if they are viable it means they are successful, if they are successful it means their ganks are working and their victims dying.

If their victims are dying that means they are not farming or getting EXP, that means they cant be over the jungler killing them in levels, Simple logic x)

Just a few nights ago i had a Volibear jungle do exactly what you describe, spam ganks relentlessly as soon as he could, as a result the enemy toplane was below him in levels ....i think it was 3 by 17-20 minutes in.

Midlane? Down 2 levels and Botlane 3.

The only one in that game who had more EXP than the volibear there was our toplane who left his lane only twice and teleported back instantly right after......so yeah perhaps only junglers who can do this are truly good, but on the other hand i´d say they are OP.

And they who do this have always existed, and this style of relentlessly spamming ganks truly needs to be fucking gutted because it´s disgusting as all hell.

But Riot does not know how to actually accomplish that so they are taking shots in the proverbial dark and hitting basically everything except the target, kinda like how they are looking to "balance" Akali for instance.

Toxic Teeto1/18/2020, 9:45:04 PM3 votes

Is very broken.

The Bad Touch1/23/2020, 8:09:37 AM1 votes

Jungle camps need to respawn 10% slower, give the same gold.. and give 20% more xp per camp after first clear.

This with let jungle that's need their R actually play the game, and junglers that don't build hydra find time to actually gank.

Jarnovtes1/19/2020, 12:39:07 PM1 votes

Fun fact, Jungle is fine : /

Ryvengroth1/19/2020, 9:49:54 PM1 votes

Say what. Previous game I contemplated how the hell does MF on bot has the same lvl as me while I am 2 kills and 2 minions ahead shrugs

DONT NEEEED TEAM1/19/2020, 1:30:16 AM1 votes

Jungle is perfctly fine. Im able to carry almost all my games you just nded to learn to not make mistakes jungle was too forgiving before. Messing up in lane means lane is basically over before in jg if you die u can just powerfarm and come back no problem