So, with the release of Ivern I see no reason not to allow Tahm Kench to devour large monsters

Malicious Metal·Mar 1, 2017·148 votes·4,639 views

So, I might be a tiny bit biased since my brother tends to play Tahm Jungle quite often but I always wonder why his devour can't be used on Jungle monsters to help big ol' Two-coats clear the Jungle.

His clear speed is already pretty low and most other popular Junglers can gank easier and farm harder.

For the sake of counterplay make him apply three stacks of his passive first before devouring to make his invades not as BS as say Ivern or Syndra throwing your blue around.

68 Comments

Mira Arya EntheMar 1, 201710 votes

I like this idea. I never thought Tahm was a problem in Jungle or Top, only in support where saving the ADC for seconds from any decision was a bit toxic.

RalanrMar 1, 201710 votes

Imo he was a bit difficult top lane because trying to trade with him ended up with you getting eaten and losing a bunch of life because of it (combined with how long the stacks lasted, it felt impossible to ever trade). Bringing that old damage to bot lane effectively made him a bruiser support.

Personally I enjoy his ability to save people more than his ability to trade (I honestly found his damage to be a bit excessive when he had one of the best single targeted peels in the game) but trying to balance someone around being a support and a top laner is going to lead to some damage issues.

Mira Arya EntheMar 1, 20171 votes

Fair enough. I am just bias because I counter him on Shyvana and meanwhile in bot lane it was frustrating to face him as Leona XD

AwoofMar 2, 20171 votes

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Fair enough. I am just bias because I counter him on Shyvana and meanwhile in bot lane it was frustrating to face him as Leona XD

This is anecdotal based on very few games of mine, but I actually got my shit beat in by a Leona as Tahm and after experiencing that, I did the same to other Tahms as Leona.

Mira Arya EntheMar 2, 20171 votes

Generally he counters her as he can deny her engage and he is a very strong anti-tank. Personal experience can often vary.

AwoofMar 2, 20171 votes

The thing is, he cannot deny her engage per se, he can swallow his adc. I found it to be rather easy to beat Tahm himself up when he tries to protect his adc (or in general). Not that I'm trying to state that as a fact, quite possible that won't work when everyone is at a higher skill level. Also I may be becoming a bit off-topic lol

THE RlVER KlNGMar 1, 20179 votes

I enjoy his ability to be a tank duelist top more than saving a whiny carry

and you should talk about balancing around top and support when Sion excels at both

Tahm was 100% balanced right after they took away his W movespeed, but for some reason they gutted his E and shifted all his damage to the early game

RalanrMar 1, 20172 votes

Considering how his eating ability is what he's built around, it made more sense to balance him around where it was most useful.

And I don't even want Sion to be played support. He was intended for top, I don't want to see him become a meta support like Blitzcrank.

THE RlVER KlNGMar 1, 20177 votes

And Riot said at Tahm's release that he is a tank who can go top and support, but have since done everything in their power to force him out of top, and have also killed his jungle.

He even used to be picked in the LCS as a Rumble and Poppy counter after her release but is now exclusively a support pick, and even then he is literally a Devour bot who loses most games he's picked.

If they want him to be a support then take away his passive damage and buff accordingly. If they want him to cooexist as a solo and support tank then increase his W cooldown and give him his old E and R damage back.

I don't want Tahm to get shafted as a niche support. He was intended to do well in both roles, but there you go.

RalanrMar 1, 20172 votes

I learned long ago that everyone is balanced around one role and that off roles that are balanced are happy accidents. Even if Riot says that they could do Y, they will be balanced around X even if it kills Y.

But then you get weird situations where they are suddenly better a Y than they will ever be at X (Vi).

THE RlVER KlNGMar 1, 20174 votes

Then come out and say it and do it right instead of keeping both roles weak because buffing one will break the other; which is a myth in the first place, Tahm has been a balanced top and support before.

General TherittMar 2, 20171 votes

Quinn balanced around 1 position?

Oh Forums you crack me up.

Karma BALANCED AROUND 1 POSITION

Hahahahahahah!

Graves BALANCED AROUND 1 POSITION RIGHT?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

RalanrMar 2, 20171 votes

Can't say I've seen Graves's anywhere outside of jungle. And rarely do I see Quinn outside of top.

Karma can go fuck herself though.

General TherittMar 2, 20171 votes

Graves top, Quinn jungle, and both can ADC if the current ADCs with lethality (MF, Varus, Ashe, Jhin) are banned.

Glory ln DeathMar 2, 20171 votes

Boy, I'll fight you.

xWatersMar 1, 20177 votes

I agree 100%. On the big camps now, he can't eat the little babies and throw them at the big one.

OleandervineMar 1, 20176 votes

Why is Ivern the benchmark for this? Syndra has been able to W large monsters for years.

Malicious MetalMar 1, 201738 votes

Because he's a Jungler. You don't see Jungle Syndra invading you and snatching away your buffs.

OleandervineMar 1, 20173 votes

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Because he's a Jungler. You don't see Jungle Syndra invading you and snatching away your buffs.

No, but she could. I've bumped into several situations where I've had Blitzcrank steal the buff I'm starting on from behind the wall and let his jungler get the kill. It's possible to do the same with Syndra.

Faceroll TacticsMar 1, 20174 votes

Um, the enemy team can kill a buff at level 1/2 before the aggro resets and it heals?

I'm calling bs on that

DarkwindMar 1, 201711 votes

Ofc you can. You just let the other team leash it for you before you pull it over :^)

Faceroll TacticsMar 1, 20172 votes

Ok that makes more sense.

MrryZMar 1, 201751 votes

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MelledoneusMar 2, 201715 votes

Don't you dare consider it.

Velzard of KozMar 2, 20171 votes

Inb4 ,,Hi, I am MerryZ, I've been maining Syndra midlane-jungle since S7 and I got warning about permaban..." topic. Let's make it a tradition.

MrryZMar 8, 20171 votes

https://gyazo.com/b1cd3a1b3df13ba40210de16d43d2fde.png :^)

Big LincolnMar 1, 201725 votes

But I do see support Nunu doing it

Mostro GalloMar 2, 20173 votes

"Support"

PaquayMar 2, 20173 votes

Not for another week or so you won't. ;) Lol

DoozkuMar 1, 20174 votes

What if he didn't eat the camps, but bit them, doing magic damage nunu style.

DoozkuMar 1, 20172 votes

Not true damage, just for clarification.

Big LincolnMar 1, 20173 votes

Riot wants the Kench benched for good

rest in piece

THE RlVER KlNGMar 1, 20173 votes

Camille Nautilus Thresh Warwick

We don't like champions offering utility alongside the damage and tankiness they have, even if they are immobile, easily kited, and loses 75% of their lane matchups

item 3070 TahmKench

invisiblecat1Mar 1, 20172 votes

Glad people are finally give new champions who were completely forgotten some love We just have to wait for Illaoi and Kindred to be noticed

Laxfan52Mar 3, 20171 votes

Kindred was noticed and was very strong until she got repeatery nerffed and then the jungle got changed

QuephaMar 1, 20172 votes

Ivern seems like a great example for why Tahm Kench should never get this ability. Experienced Ivern players achieve nearly a 60% winrate in solo queue and he's a top tier jungler in pro games. His jungle clear is miles beyond what any other champion can do, he's basically Nunu with a better clear and more useful abilities in addition to that clear speed.

Auz the RipperMar 2, 20172 votes

ivern's ganks are also significantly better than TK's because of his unconditional long-ranged root from Rootcaller and the fact he doesn't have to sacrifice his largest damage source to help save an ally

PapaGreg21Mar 2, 20171 votes

Ivern's rootcaller is so slow that most people can easily avoid it unless he's right next to you.

GigaPubeMar 1, 20171 votes

ivern and tahm kench are COMPLETELY different champions....

It Hertz When IPMar 1, 201735 votes

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ZedexMar 2, 20173 votes

He means their power budgets are vastly different, therefore doing something like that would require additional tweaking to Tahm, or even Ivern to keep him unique.

Or maybe thats just what I mean..

Horse GrenadesMar 2, 20171 votes

Definitely what you mean

GigaPubeMar 3, 20171 votes

the ridiculous thing here is comparing tahm kench to ivern at all

with the release of Ivern I see no reason not to allow Tahm Kench to devour large monsters

are you actually serious here?

camille has 2 autoresets on 1 button, why dont we change every autoreset to apply twice then ffs...

JhamSleazMar 1, 20171 votes

His cleats honestly aren't that bad. Go Tiamat with the new shaclone build and he clears quickly while taking minimal damage. I am a fan of this idea though

THE RlVER KlNGMar 1, 20174 votes

Tahm has probably the worst level 1 clear of anyone in the "i can sort of jungle" group

his transitions are poor and his ganks rely heavily on the perfect ult, he has no dragon threat and can't keep up with pretty much any meta jungler

My Waifu VanillaMar 2, 20171 votes

Honestly even letting him stack his passive on them for the damage would help a lot in the jungling department (or even just putting gray health as his passive and having E only work on the active only that way he has sustain before level 3-ish).

BlåbæretMar 2, 20171 votes

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Tahm has probably the worst level 1 clear of anyone in the "i can sort of jungle" group

his transitions are poor and his ganks rely heavily on the perfect ult, he has no dragon threat and can't keep up with pretty much any meta jungler

BECAUSE TAHM IS NOT A JUNGLER. What is so freaking hard to grasp about that?

THE RlVER KlNGMar 2, 20171 votes

He used to be before the s7 jungle