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Why is everyone complaining about Zoe? I can't think of a champ with lower kill potential than her..

Unreformed Shaco··3 votes·500 views

She is annoying, sure.

Long range CC/Poke combo that can easily do 50% + If she uses EQRQ

But give me a mage who can't do 50%+ with 3 skills including her ultimate?

I've almost exclusively played her since her release and it is so frustrating to get kills because her ultimate not only forces her back, but forces her back after a delay.

Combo a target with max damage for them to just walk away while you're forced back to your tower?

Everyone stop losing their minds and admit that Zoe killed you because you fucked up and stayed around on low health, in an all in situation she's probably the worst mage of all.

For a trickster, she has a very predictable and telegraphed kit.

Take a look at someone like Ahri. More mobile, more sustain, poke through minions and has good kite/chase. Zoe on the other hand, can only walk away from her pursuer, and can only really walk after the target. She has no sustain, and almost all her damage can be blocked by units in between.

I'm not saying either of them are broken or strong, but please keep the QQ in proportion.

6 Comments

Oleandervine4 votes

I would agree with this. When the stars align, she can kill you. But that alignment requires no minions there to block your shot, no enemy champions to CC you or intercept the shot, and a perfect combo with R+Q while they're running directly away from your line of fire or standing still. Her skill level is through the roof because she requires such precision to pop off her singular gimmick, that it's hardly ever feasible. Zoe is a case of a champion so purely overloaded that her many different moving parts work against her. The common player cannot easily pick her up, and hell, even the uncommon player can't do well with her. She's one of those cases where the pros may like her and do well with her, but that's about it. It's the complete opposite of the Garen problem, and if everyday players can't learn her, then she needs to be sent back and fixed so she doesn't have a complicated as fuck kit.

Unreformed Shaco1 votes

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I would agree with this. When the stars align, she can kill you. But that alignment requires no minions there to block your shot, no enemy champions to CC you or intercept the shot, and a perfect combo with R+Q while they're running directly away from your line of fire or standing still. Her skill level is through the roof because she requires such precision to pop off her singular gimmick, that it's hardly ever feasible. Zoe is a case of a champion so purely overloaded that her many different moving parts work against her. The common player cannot easily pick her up, and hell, even the uncommon player can't do well with her. She's one of those cases where the pros may like her and do well with her, but that's about it. It's the complete opposite of the Garen problem, and if everyday players can't learn her, then she needs to be sent back and fixed so she doesn't have a complicated as fuck kit.

I think its a case of we are overlooking the problem though, I've watched alot of my replays regarding her skill-set and where the damage comes from, and unless its a long range Paddle-Star, most of it is through her passive.

Her Q applies it 2 times, her W applies it 4 her ult applies it once and her E once.

That's 8 times in a combo if used correctly, which is crazy.

mosaickle2 votes

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I would agree with this. When the stars align, she can kill you.

boi.

mosaickle3 votes

She has incredibly high kill potential if you're absolutely caught out by her. Otherwise when you can actually see her she becomes one of the most predictable champions. That's why in lane getting a kill is insanely rare whereas when roaming she seems "op"

But then again, the surprise element is a core part of her gameplay, which makes her 'spell thief' ability the main skill cap.

People need to understand that for sure yeah

Unreformed Shaco1 votes

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She has incredibly high kill potential if you're absolutely caught out by her. Otherwise when you can actually see her she becomes one of the most predictable champions. That's why in lane getting a kill is insanely rare whereas when roaming she seems "op"

But then again, the surprise element is a core part of her gameplay, which makes her 'spell thief' ability the main skill cap.

People need to understand that for sure yeah

Her ganks are great if she's played in the jungle, the downside being if you want spell shards you have to piss off your laner and she is very vulnerable to invades.

Ahris1 votes

Ahri has more counterplay than Zoe. At least Ahri is outscaled and destroyed late game despite having not even strong early or mid.

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