Looking for some AP champs that counter mobile assassins, any ideas?

Hexs Fortune·Oct 1, 2018·1 votes·1,320 views

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InfernapeOct 1, 20182 votes

Malz, Lissandra, Cassiopeia, Singed.

Luigi TortelliniOct 1, 20182 votes

The answer always has been and always will be Annie . Nasus mid has always been great to troll AD assassins. Just stack armor instead of rushing triforce like an ape, and there is very little they can do to stop you from farming. After first back you can already out trade them, and you straight up murder them if they waste their mobility after 6.

Sharpest glassesOct 1, 20182 votes

Lissandra Malzahar : R > GG. Ziggs : if they roam, they'll lose their turret.

Think Kassadin in his current state (totaly busted) is good tho.

MrFawknSunshineOct 1, 20181 votes

well it depends on the match up. and not just lane but team comp.

sometimes a mobile assassin counters a mobile assassin.

OleandervineOct 1, 20181 votes

Amumu

Inkling CommandoOct 1, 20181 votes

Ziggs is a good AP champ to use.

DuskDaUmbreonOct 1, 20181 votes

Morgana . You do have to wait for them to blink/dash first, but then just smack a Q in their face. Most assassins also are reliant on early-game kills, while Morgana is one of the least interactive champions in the game. Build item 3010 into item 3027 , max WQE, and enjoy the easy lane. Take TP so you can be even lazier about counter-roaming.

Malzahar also works, although not as well pre-6.

Annie is decent against assassins. Again, I suggest a RoA rush.

Soraka is good if you're good at E timing and also have a tank or juggernaut to back you up.

Nasus isn't as good into them in lane as these other choices, but is a fucking gift from god himself for any squishy against assassins (as long as he isn't mindlessly splitpushing). He's honestly one of the best anti-divers in the game in late-game, simply because anyone who tries to dive his team gets two-shot, while his W makes it nearly impossible to run away. However, his early-game being weak into almost literally everyone but Yasuo means that he's kinda useless against them in lane, where they're strongest. Unfortunately for your qualifications, he's not AP, though.

Doge2020Oct 1, 20181 votes

you can do e max with nasus, start corruption potion and get e lvl 1. Get comet too and just spam push and poke, if it is somebody who has a really good all in or is somebody that has a super long CD on their dash/blink then get w lvl 2. If not then 1 lvl 2 and try to prioritize stacks on cannon minions during cannon wave.

As far as runes go you can get time warp tonic and biscuit if it is somebody that can also spam poke you early.

For items build ap items that also give a bunch of good defensive options like Ludens into Liandry or hourglass.

DuskDaUmbreonOct 1, 20181 votes

For items build ap items that also give a bunch of good defensive options like Ludens into Liandry or hourglass.

Please just don't. No.

AP Nasus is absolutely terrible anywhere that isn't URF or ARAM. It's also only okay even in those two places as well.

Doge2020Oct 1, 20182 votes

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Please just don't. No.

AP Nasus is absolutely terrible anywhere that isn't URF or ARAM. It's also only okay even in those two places as well.

Why? Ap nasus is fun! If you can avoid dying and ward properly you can outpush a bunch of midlaners with e max. The “better” version for nasus mid that I heard is to get an early AP item or just max e and just shove lane during the laning phase. Still get stacks but you shove the lane a bunch to stop the assassin for roaming a bunch and you have so much sustain with corruption pot and biscuit that they can’t really poke you down enough to all in without a gank.

You don’t really need to go ap, you can just go e max (usually getting your third rank of e is enough to easily kill caster minions with zero AP).

Nasus in general has enough damage, push potential, sustain and resistances to go against a bunch of midlaners.

ParoeOct 1, 20181 votes

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Why? Ap nasus is fun! If you can avoid dying and ward properly you can outpush a bunch of midlaners with e max. The “better” version for nasus mid that I heard is to get an early AP item or just max e and just shove lane during the laning phase. Still get stacks but you shove the lane a bunch to stop the assassin for roaming a bunch and you have so much sustain with corruption pot and biscuit that they can’t really poke you down enough to all in without a gank.

You don’t really need to go ap, you can just go e max (usually getting your third rank of e is enough to easily kill caster minions with zero AP).

Nasus in general has enough damage, push potential, sustain and resistances to go against a bunch of midlaners.

AP nasus is great, in situations. You still stack, you just put one point into Q instead of max it. Further, you really want to go "auxiliary support" nasus using item 3030 item 3151 item 3116 item 3020 with some situational defense items (Warmogs+zzrot is nice for all purpose, but generally youl want something like SV and randuins omen).

ankoanko19Oct 1, 20181 votes

Cassiopeia Malzahar Lissandra Annie Zilean

feintfiendOct 1, 20181 votes

Ekko

ParoeOct 1, 20181 votes

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^ Ekko is the correct answer. Ekko and Ahri are two of the safest assassins in the game during the lane phase, and are capable full assassins out of the lane phase.

TekkenPlayerOct 1, 20181 votes

vs Fizz: Fiddlesticks Vladimir Lissandra Galio Annie (e max)

vs Everyone else: Zilean Vladimir Swain Zyra Heimerdinger Annie Galio

akali specific: Anivia Annie Kennen

Doge2020Oct 1, 20181 votes

Galio is a good choice if the enemy midlaner is an AP assassin like Fizz, LeBlanc or Ekko.

But If you are looking for champs in general then tanks or juggernauts are always good options. Just make sure you itemize against them correctly or choose the correct champ into their team. Like don’t go Galio into a full AD team or Malphite into a full AP team or don’t build item 3194 into a Zed/Talon and full AD team.

KOGMIDONLYOct 1, 20181 votes

I was playing Ornn mid with great succession. A lot easier vs assasins. And a lot of pressure bot lane with r and other forms of cc. In d5. I ain’t very good either, I’m sure a good player can make it work out better. I picked electrocute and ignite and can cheese people who don’t respect my damage. Best thing people can do is just farm, if they try to harass u should own the lane and pick up some freebies bot.

Build lane sustain if needed but try to cap 40 cdr, I like to go for redemption in my build. Pre much just like playing lulu mid except tankier and more roam pressure and kill pressure.