Rework Tryndamere already !

Press Q Win·Jun 22, 2018·39 votes·14,658 views

Nothing about this champs is fun to deal with. You can be 0/10 and still win the game as splitting the game without any interaction. You want to kill him? Nope immune to death for 5 second. Oh wait he have max furry? 2 AA you die because it require zero brain cells to do that right ? And you want to buy defense to counter him? Riot added conqueror just to make us suffer from True damage cancer, Thanks Riot ! This champion should be the next reworked, not Nunu. Zero interaction champion with basically no counterplay other than Afk in base or 5 man him because Hey i do 35% crit level 1 and i get 100% with 2 item ! Oh wait it also deal 32% true damage with Infinity edge and conqueror !

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Step Sis LuxJun 22, 201813 votes

I would love to see his rework cuz he is cancer but as we can see now with reworks champions become even more cancer to play against

Wild GeeseJun 22, 20189 votes

Lol riot buffed him. Coming next week! Don't count on it...

The Rogue StatusJun 23, 20188 votes

Tryndamere serves as a the best solo queue carry in the game, he only works because people don't know how to play against him. Instead of complaining that he is too overpowered perhaps you should learn a bit more about the macro game and how lane management and split-pushing works.

Also, I looked at your match history and you lost to a Tryndamere literally right before making this post. Instead of blindly raging about it, you should learn what you should do against him. There are dozens of things you can do against this champion, just because you don't know them, doesn't mean there's "0 counterplay".

PokladnicaZlaJun 23, 20182 votes

˝People don't know how to play against him˝ -> Stay afk under turret early and gangbang him late game cause most champions cant 1vs1 him. Soo much enjoyable counterplay

AxzariousJun 23, 20181 votes

As somebody who plays liberal amounts of Tryndamere, I feel obligated to mention that RNJesus can and will occasionally fuck you, regardless of how much rage you have when you just don't crit for 7 or 8 attacks in a row. Other times, you'll crit for the equivalent amount of attacks and just faceroll.

It's something I can see people getting complacent about, especially if they end up destroying a Tryndamere who just doesn't have luck on his side. He's a champion that wins hard and loses hard. There are also people who don't realize that Nasus is an amazing counter to him when properly played and built.

ali afriJun 22, 20186 votes

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Nothing about this champs is fun to deal with. You can be 0/10 and still win the game as splitting the game without any interaction. You want to kill him? Nope immune to death for 5 second. Oh wait he have max furry? 2 AA you die because it require zero brain cells to do that right ? And you want to buy defense to counter him? Riot added conqueror just to make us suffer from True damage cancer, Thanks Riot ! This champion should be the next reworked, not Nunu. Zero interaction champion with basically no counterplay other than Afk in base or 5 man him because Hey i do 35% crit level 1 and i get 100% with 2 item ! Oh wait it also deal 32% true damage with Infinity edge and conqueror !

so why people dont pick tryndamere in LCS and win with 0/10 ? because people will buy randuins + thornmail and shit on the champ, tho i dont know about game like a LCS player

AzadetheJun 23, 20184 votes

Because in organized play, teams collapse on him and shut him down over and over, during gaps between waves/turret pushes. They do it as a team.

You can almost never expect that in Solo/Duo, because the pressure the other team's other champions put on ensure that Solo/Duo Queue will split their focus. And even when they do, they don't set up lanes to where choosing to go after Tryn doesn't mean losing an entire lane.

Also, in LCS, every player is a good cser, and combat interactions are minimal. Which results in an environment where Tryndamere doesn't actually have a massive lead. If he dies, the other team has 50 seconds to do serious damage taking advantage of his death. He can't just abuse death timers and revive 10-12 times without expecting to lose the game.

In Solo/Duo Queue, the circumstances are never perfect to stop Tryndamere.

ADC5LUTJun 23, 20181 votes

dunno why you were downvoted, have my upvote for being correct

ali afriJun 26, 20181 votes

if u send 2 player on split pusher u already lost game, in a true organized play, u think trynamere will watch u coming as 2 or more ? this even happens more in solo q that players try to go as 3-4 on split pusher, but higher in rank u go more u find this will cost u all towers and u just waste time, so in super high level like LCS u see even nobody goes toward split pusher and they push 1vs1. reason is not people collapse on trynd, the reason is this that fiora or aatrox do the job better . in pro play all the way of jungle is warded by sup for split pusher

AzadetheJun 26, 20181 votes

Aatrox and Fiora don't Split push better than Tryn lmfao. And if you push instead of stopping Tryn, you're facing 4 people blocking your route. Sometimes the goal of collapsing on Tryn isn't to kill him. It's Just to prevent him from doing turret damage.

Jungle may be warded and Tryn might get out.... but if that's the case, he's moving long before they get there, which means they also turn around prematurely.

3-4 go rejoin the mid/wherever fight, and one or two stay just to make sure Tryn doesn't go back to the split push.

MLDzXnRRRJun 23, 20183 votes

Laning against a competent Yasuo or Riven, Gnar, Fiora, Darius, Renekton, Pantheon, Vladimir, Kennen - I'm mentioning lane bullies - is way more anti-fun. Trynda may crit, but the only other damage source in his kit is his E and you can't compare his damage to a full combo of someone like Yasuo or Riven/Darius/Rene who can kill you just abilities, no need to right click to death. Trynda may have good base HP, but this doesn't stop him from being CC chained during ultimate. Nasus and Tahm have free win against him and tanks beat him until he gets bork + penetration items. His lategame is also weaker than someone like Yi or Fiora, Adcs etc.

I suggest playing some games as Trynda to learn the champ. He is not free win - you can't splitpush, if your other lanes are losing and the enemy is sieging. You will get ganked and die, or lose inhibs/game. The games where Trynda splits for free - the game is even (I haven't seen this since season 5) or the game is already lost.

Z3SleeperJun 23, 20183 votes

Oh wait he have max furry?

A maximum furry Tryndamere is a truly scary one. Expect some really weird shit.

d4rkshockJun 23, 20182 votes

I don't think he's op. Just annoying. I know how to beat him. You have to beat him early and don't give him a chance to push. Also Jax Pantheon Irelia Teemo are good picks because they fuck with his aa's. He's not horrible to play against just kind of annoying. If you want something Hing unfun to play against Yasuo Fizz Renekton MasterYi Darius are the worst offenders.yi especy because it's not fun to have a fed Yi on your team while you guys got 0 kills and yi has all of them and on the other team, it's balck and white sim because he is 1v5 no 1v9 getting pentakills.

ChezBoiJun 23, 20181 votes

I dont think those 4 champs are rly good picks if the enemy tryndamere has a brain and knows what he is doing as he'll easily out scale those champs with ease.

d4rkshockJun 24, 20181 votes

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I dont think those 4 champs are rly good picks if the enemy tryndamere has a brain and knows what he is doing as he'll easily out scale those champs with ease.

You do realize that irellia And Jax are late game champions that suck early but have some of the best scaling for top lanners. Pantheon definitely but I didn't not know about teemo. Trynd is also bad early. If they push and you get lvl e, he can get a kill easily but now t against these champions. Jax will e trynd. That's what pantheon wants you to do. He wants you to engage so be can oneshot you. Teemo is ranged and will blind you. Irellia not so much but lvl 6, she can dissarm tryndamere.

ChezBoiJun 24, 20181 votes

Tryndamere pre conqueror would have a tough time against these champs specially jax but now that you can get 32% true damage it becomes very easy for any tryndamere to 1v1 these champs all game as long as the tryndamere is eqaul and not behind and has a brain.

BEK MakadurJun 23, 20181 votes

TahmKench Is the number one counter to tryn.

Press Q WinJun 23, 20181 votes

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Is the number one counter to tryn.

I would gladly pick him but BE is long to farm and their is better champ to learn than counter picking Trynd specially.

OmegaNITROJun 23, 20182 votes

Can we rework Yi first?

King GrimPhenomJun 23, 20182 votes

Tryndamere is overpowered? I stopped playing him because he's pathetic right now. His RNG "please god let me crit" playstyle is super unreliable and he lacks impactful cc and multi target damage. I tend to really only play him in matchups vs Riven otherwise I can't be bothered.

Press Q WinJun 23, 20181 votes

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Tryndamere is overpowered? I stopped playing him because he's pathetic right now. His RNG "please god let me crit" playstyle is super unreliable and he lacks impactful cc and multi target damage. I tend to really only play him in matchups vs Riven otherwise I can't be bothered.

Not overpowered, just fairly uninteractive and pretty stat check'y. It's unfun and his playstyle is lame to face.

King GrimPhenomJun 25, 20181 votes

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Not overpowered, just fairly uninteractive and pretty stat check'y. It's unfun and his playstyle is lame to face.

He has a lot of problems and I've been waiting on a rework forever. He's either useless and split pushing 25/8 or he's fed and still useless split pushing 25/8. It's his barebones kit. He offers nothing of use other than split push.

Press Q WinJun 25, 20181 votes

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He has a lot of problems and I've been waiting on a rework forever. He's either useless and split pushing 25/8 or he's fed and still useless split pushing 25/8. It's his barebones kit. He offers nothing of use other than split push.

Mostly. I hate how uninteractive Trynd can be for his opponent. Now that Conqueror got added, his '' counter item'' aren't as effective, since he do 32% true damage combined with infinity edge.

specter424Jun 23, 20182 votes

literally pick a tank and build tabi's and he can't outtrade you.

Somebody Love MeJun 23, 20184 votes

Conqueror says no

Press Q WinJun 23, 20183 votes

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literally pick a tank and build tabi's and he can't outtrade you.

Conqueror and IE want to have a words with you...

AmorithJun 23, 20182 votes

I don't quite agree with all that you're saying here, but I do agree that he just split pushes to win. To be fair though, there's a ton of top lane champions who are legit designed to do that, for it is a strategy, and I also agree the 35% crit chance level 1 is what we call an "RNG" champion, meaning if he gets lucky, he'll get a first blood. Riot states that they hate RNG champions, but created Zoe and Crit as a stat which doesnt make a lick of sense to me.

However, he's easily counterable. If you're legit letting him push up without punishing him for it, that's on you. If you see him top side pushing down your teir 2 tower, either get a drag, baron, or get someone to counter push bot lane. There is no such thing as "basically no counterplay", you're just upset because you lost a game vs him.

All in all, he's a binary, RNG mess throughout the entire game. I agree he needs a rework, but in all honesty, people are making this 2 seconds off his E seem like he's going to become God all of a sudden.

Khmer RougeJun 23, 20182 votes

lmao you are just trash and dont know how to play against him. maybe go practice instead of posting nonsense here

JohnnyNeverSinsJun 23, 20182 votes

I always wish bad things to tryndamere abusers,they are such pathetic human beings.

Ignika DJun 23, 20182 votes

and he got stupid hight lvl 1 and lvl 18 hp

ValiantKillerJun 22, 20181 votes

Don't forgot he one of the few champions that can just stay in lane forever farming just with doran shield/sword , he will poke you out of lane and you will be forced to go back to buy items/regain hp while he just stay in lane healing back up. The only people that able to poke him out of lane is teemo, urgot and jax otherwise good luck.

Wild GeeseJun 22, 20187 votes

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Don't forgot he one of the few champions that can just stay in lane forever farming just with doran shield/sword , he will poke you out of lane and you will be forced to go back to buy items/regain hp while he just stay in lane healing back up. The only people that able to poke him out of lane is teemo, urgot and jax otherwise good luck.

As Teemo, after Tryndamere has 2 or 3 items you're basically screwed, he'll spin on you and you die. You can hold lane for 10-15 minutes as Teemo, maybe kill him once or twice but you're losing that matchup in the long run.

Usual with anybody against Tryndamere though. Even if you win you can never leave top, or Tryndamere will destroy inhib turret. You can't even leave for a minute... You are in prison laning against Tryndamere.

ValiantKillerJun 23, 20184 votes

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As Teemo, after Tryndamere has 2 or 3 items you're basically screwed, he'll spin on you and you die. You can hold lane for 10-15 minutes as Teemo, maybe kill him once or twice but you're losing that matchup in the long run.

Usual with anybody against Tryndamere though. Even if you win you can never leave top, or Tryndamere will destroy inhib turret. You can't even leave for a minute... You are in prison laning against Tryndamere.

Trust me i know that struggle, i win hard with urgot and make him goes 0-5 yet i have to stay in lane even after i took 2 towers and i can't help my team mate. Either i lose cause he split push hard and i can't stop him trying to help my weak team or cause his team is better and rekt my team in 4v4

Press Q WinJun 23, 20182 votes

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Trust me i know that struggle, i win hard with urgot and make him goes 0-5 yet i have to stay in lane even after i took 2 towers and i can't help my team mate. Either i lose cause he split push hard and i can't stop him trying to help my weak team or cause his team is better and rekt my team in 4v4

This is a struggle i can't stand... afk split pushing without consequences is lame..

ValiantKillerJun 23, 20181 votes

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This is a struggle i can't stand... afk split pushing without consequences is lame..

That why top lane is lame lane , no matter what they did it will stay in that shit spot cause you need to keep dealing with mindless champions that got no skills and good at split pushing cause you need to stay top just to stop them and if you are team weak good luck winning any game. Nasus, Tryn, Jax, Udyr even, etc if you don't stay top for them they will take over the lane pretty easy by themself even if you put them behind like 0-6, which lead to 4v4 and that something you don't have control over leading to one fact your team either lose you game or win you game cause you can't move to them to make difference.

BEK MakadurJun 23, 20181 votes

Every dueling style champ can splitpush, it´s just because the objectives(baron/dragons) work that way. ALso there is straight counterplay especially to tryn, teamfights. Tryn is nearly useless in any proper teamfight unless he is really ahead.

ValiantKillerJun 23, 20182 votes

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Every dueling style champ can splitpush, it´s just because the objectives(baron/dragons) work that way. ALso there is straight counterplay especially to tryn, teamfights. Tryn is nearly useless in any proper teamfight unless he is really ahead.

You clearly didn't read what i said, but okey.

BEK MakadurJun 23, 20181 votes

The problem is, that this is not a champion problem but rather a map"problem" if the map were smaller this wouldn´t work but as it is medium sized, splitpush does work and every champ with decent escape, very good 1v1 potential and a good pushing power can do that ez.

ValiantKillerJun 23, 20181 votes

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The problem is, that this is not a champion problem but rather a map"problem" if the map were smaller this wouldn´t work but as it is medium sized, splitpush does work and every champ with decent escape, very good 1v1 potential and a good pushing power can do that ez.

No it problem of champion, Yorick one of the best split pusher if was behind and is 0-5 won't be able to push hard on towers like him.

BEK MakadurJun 24, 20181 votes

If tryn and Yorick have the same gold, yorick pushes faster than tryn.

d4rkshockJun 25, 20181 votes

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If tryn and Yorick have the same gold, yorick pushes faster than tryn.

Except trynd is a counterpick

specter424Jun 23, 20182 votes

buy essence reaver and you can permablind him

TyphaoensJun 23, 20182 votes

you disgust me you teemo player! FIGHT THE MAN LIKE A MAN! other then that yes tryndamere is quite the pussie of a champ sometimes when you best him in 1v1 bitch runs away when his ult finally end I SAY CHICKEN SHIT! dude bettah stay and accept death >:v

other then that split pushing without fighting enemy sure is lazy and lame

BEK MakadurJun 23, 20181 votes

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Don't forgot he one of the few champions that can just stay in lane forever farming just with doran shield/sword , he will poke you out of lane and you will be forced to go back to buy items/regain hp while he just stay in lane healing back up. The only people that able to poke him out of lane is teemo, urgot and jax otherwise good luck.

Oh what about tahm kench, pantheon, quinn(any other good ranged matchup)

Press Q WinJun 23, 20182 votes

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Oh what about tahm kench, pantheon, quinn(any other good ranged matchup)

Kench is good since he can deny trynd ult by 2,5 second but it require good skill anyway to do it properly and not to early. Pantheon, good lane bully but get hard outscaled. Quinn is good to disengage but that's why mocking shout exist. You deny her movement speed since she get slowed since she will 100% run away from you and you deny her AD and basically crit her to death. Annoying but again Trynd outscale.. And any other ranged matchup fall in the RNG Crit luck based. If trynd lucky crit, you die, if not, he simply disengage and wait for your cooldown to kill you in 2-3 AA.

BEK MakadurJun 23, 20181 votes

Tahm wins always unless tryn gets really far ahead and is rly good(and i say that as a tryn/tahm main who lost with tahm against tryn. also tahm outrotates tryn and is more usefull in teamfights. As games tend to be very short now, tryn is way weaker than he was before. If the game is finished by 25 mins, it is hard for him to outskale. Also quinn for example can shut down tryn early very hard, obv he outscales her but her roaming potential is 100times higher than tryns. Also if your team is behind and can´t def 4v5 a splitting tryn will do shit most of the times.

ValiantKillerJun 23, 20181 votes

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Oh what about tahm kench, pantheon, quinn(any other good ranged matchup)

I won't list every counter to him in lane, ofcourse they kill them or poke him out but still he can stay in lane.

Teridax68Jun 23, 20181 votes

Tryndamere I think exemplifies everything that is wrong with crit. His power early on is extremely unreliable early on, but not because of how he interacts with his lane opponent: rather, at any given time, he may randomly deal double damage, which is enough on its own to win trades, even snowball into an early kill. The fact that this random power then feeds into his mobility, via the CDR on his E, means his gameplay is both feast-or-famine and RNG-dependent, which is an absolutely horrid combination. Beyond the laning phase, his problems change but remain just as bad, as he is fundamentally incapable of doing well in teamfights, but has the perfect kit for splitpushing with little effort or interaction. While his theme is worth preserving, i.e. that of a barbarian with a massive sword who can will himself to not die, his gameplay has very little of the same, and I think he could benefit from a near-complete overhaul, ideally one that would remove his crit dependence and unhealthy splitpushing.

AxzariousJun 23, 20181 votes

I too look forward to the Tryndamere rework. Judging by Irelia and all the other champions RIOT has reworked, Tryndamere's kit will likely remain the same, save that his W will be an actual taunt that forces everyone in range to attack him if they are facing him while retaining it's other properties. His ult will also likely receive some buffs in that it will either provide something like converting a portion of his crit damage to true damage while he's under it's effects based on it's rank to encourage people to not take level 2 and 3 at levels 17 and 18 respectively. It will also likely buff Tryndamere's mobility by increasing the reduction to his spin's cooldown when he crits as well.