Seriously this runes cause more balance issue than anything..
Edit: Conqueror need a nerf specifically on crit abuser ( 
crit 
. It's overbearing because the true damage apply to the amplified basic attack/spell who crited. It's what make the runes overbearing.
AirKingNeo5 votes
InTheory2 votesConqueror is factually weak
Prove please
Queš1 votesOpen any wr site,there are only 2-3 conq users in top 10 winrates for toplane(some of them split users like Fiora 70/30 Grasp/Conq,Kled 50/50 pta/conq,Renek 50/50 pta/conq)
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesLook into my comment history not gonna repeat the same shit. None of the toplaners uses it of the highest WR. And even champs like kled and fiora who use it do better with grasp because grasp is broken as shit. Conq only allows you to cheese a kill before first back and let champs like kled stay a little bit more relevant in the lategame against tanks.
InTheory1 votesYeah I see pretty much unnecessary rant and nothing constructive at all. Waste of time
Ralanr2 votesIs this because Conquerer is namely better into tanks than fighters hence in fighter vs fighter match ups it’d be seen less?
LordGeovanni2 votesDo less Yes. Seen Less No. as most people will follow the Riot hype of this is the fighter Key stone and use it all the time Until some one else famous tells them otherwise.
AirKingNeo1 votesBest top laners aren't using it.
Camille - Pta Aatrox - Electro Ornn - Grasp Kennen - I don't fucking know, but it isn't Conqueror.
InTheory3 votesSo because the most successfull champions aren't using it makes it weak? wtf If they were using it you'd cry that it's overpowered - proving it by "best top laners all abuse it".
You're argumentation is the worst I have seen so far.
AirKingNeo1 voteswell clearly if the rune was broken and needed nerfs DON'T YOU THINK THE TOP TIER CHAMPIONS MIGHT BE USING SOMETHING "SUPPOSEDLY" NERF WORTHY?
Just think about it. IF Conqueror was broken, why does no one who is top tier use it?
InTheory1 votesWhy are you only seeing everything SO black and white? Only because something's not OP doesn't make that weak. Just think about THAT.
AirKingNeo1 votesIt's not black and white. If the rune was OP, why is no one who's top tier using it?
InTheory1 votesYou're still seing it black and white. There is a different option besides being OP and weak. Is it THAT hard to understand?
Hyquiem4 votesJust turn conqueror bonus damage to ad instead of true bring back fervor and it won’t hurt your game.
Press Q Win1 votesJust turn conqueror bonus damage to ad instead of true bring back fervor and it won’t hurt your game.
It would be better because you could itemize against it..
Hyquiem1 votes[{quoted}](name=Press Q Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4LRXYyUV,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-07-12T02:04:57.606+0000)
It would be better because you could itemize against it..
Exactly.
AirKingNeo4 votesyou can still itemize against 80% being physical damage
Press Q Win2 votesyou can still itemize against 80% being physical damage
80% and 20%+15% from infinity edge on crit champion .. conqueror is mostly frustrating because the true damage is applied to critical chance and new IE boost this true damage overall.
Zaghyr1 votesIf that's the case then Conq is not the problem, the synergy between the 2 is.
AirKingNeo1 votesMaster Yi doesn't even build Infinity Edge.
Draven isn't even meta.
LordGeovanni1 votesOne of these is wrong and the other is irrelivant
AirKingNeo1 votesYi is too busy buying BoRK and Rageblade to buy into Crit.
Draven just isn't meta relevant right now... https://www.op.gg/champion/statistics
LordGeovanni2 votesOne is Wrong. Yi can still build Crit. It not being his most popular build Doesnt make that Untrue. And Draven can still build into crit and crit while Conqour is active Regardless of play rate. If It was a 0% Play rate then the play rate might have mattered in your argument. Your argment is that they arent popular so when it does happen it doesnt matter. When it does matter no matter how often the cases are.
AirKingNeo2 votesbut he doesn't build crit. It's like saying Volibear can build IE, but he doesn't 99% of the time so why even mention it?
Press Q Win1 votesYi is too busy buying BoRK and Rageblade to buy into Crit.
Draven just isn't meta relevant right now... https://www.op.gg/champion/statistics
Weird, crit build is showed on OP.GG. If it was untrue it wouldn't be showed at all. People mostly taking on-hit doesn't mean it's the best.
Press Q Win2 votesMaster Yi doesn't even build Infinity Edge.
Draven isn't even meta.
Yi Crit build is fairly often used. Saying Draven isn't meta, you must not play the same game as us. Draven is one of the few adc that survived from the critical strike change.
AirKingNeo1 votesi'm sorry but what high tier yi player is building crit over onhit
i'll wait
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Shen MD1 votesCorrect me if I'm wrong.
Let's say your output is 1.000 after proccing conqueror, then after mitigation If you didn't take into account the True Damage part, you'd deal let's say 600.
Now the 20% True damage implies you deal 800 AD, 200 True Damage. After mitigation, to the same target it would be 480 AD + 200 True Damage.
Effectively in that example you'de dealing 80 bonus damage than without it, and if you don't have shields, there is no counterplay to that damage.
Z3Sleeper2 votesBesides being melee and having that effect locked behind 4 seconds of combat as a melee champion, yeah there's no counterplay.
Unless ofcourse you consider poking the melee champion when they go to last hit/attack minions when Conqueror isn't stacked up yet counterplay.
Shen MD1 votesSome champs don't have that luxury. Like my main :(
LordGeovanni1 votesyou Applied midigations twice and its not AD its Physical Damage.
[{quoted}](name=Shen MD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4LRXYyUV,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-07-12T13:09:22.407+0000)
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Let's say your output is 1.000 after proccing conqueror, **then after mitigation **If you didn't take into account the True Damage part, you'd deal let's say 600. Here
Now the 20% True damage implies you deal 800 AD, 200 True Damage. After mitigation, to the same target it would be 480 AD + 200 True Damage. here
Effectively in that example you'de dealing 80 bonus damage than without it, and if you don't have shields, there is no counterplay to that damage.
you Applied midigations twice in your imaginary scenario and its not AD its Physical Damage.
Shen MD1 votesI didn't apply twice, just one time: From 1000 to 6000, and from 800 to 480, I wasn't making calculations, just giving numbers.
AeroWaffle3 votesLooks like that's the plan;
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/7tEYw6Ij-quick-gameplay-thoughts-july-11
Infernape4 votesToo bad they aren't touching the true damage. That's the problem with it imo.
And it's one of the reasons why tanks feel really shitty to play.
AeroWaffle1 votesIt looks like the details of how they are nerfing conqueror is left unsaid, only that they are likely going to nerf it.
Infernape1 votesYeah, I was expecting we'd probably go for the true damage when I wrote this post earlier in the week. Discussion's shifted since then though. At time of writing we didn't have anything in testing and 8.14 looked unlikely, at this point it'll probably be an AD nerf in 8.14 though.
They were going to hit the true damage but changed their minds.
Zaghyr2 votesTanks feel shitty to play because their base defenses can no longer keep up with the damage of the game and the items are becoming less efficient to use. Everytime Riot wants to buff a tank, they only buff their damage, EVERY TIME, instead of what matters for them, namely armor, mr, health, and their defensive abilites.
LordGeovanni1 votesActually every time riot wants to buff tank items they nerf the Stats on tank items and buff the gold cost Which in not very many people even complain or care about gold cost what we want is slot effectiveness like mages and adcs get buffs in
Z3Sleeper1 votesIf anyone's looking for the posts.
We've actually been looking more at hitting the AD in the last couple of days. Perspective there is looking at what sort of trade off in regular damage output you should expect to make to get strength against tankier targets, with Conqeuror being too good at both things right now.
Yeah, I was expecting we'd probably go for the true damage when I wrote this post earlier in the week. Discussion's shifted since then though. At time of writing we didn't have anything in testing and 8.14 looked unlikely, at this point it'll probably be an AD nerf in 8.14 though.
PLS GÓD NÓ2 votesSomeone never heard of 
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what about champs like 
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Doesn't need a nerf just because LCS pro player play them.
Reaper Soraka1 votesDon't listen to him.
Nerf all of the chamions that use conquerer to balance around runes, not runes around champions because runes are a staple in the game.
THEN nerf runes. Good bye half the roster.
Daddy Ants1 votes[{quoted}](name=Reaper Soraka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4LRXYyUV,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-12T08:10:31.393+0000)
Don't listen to him.
Nerf all of the chamions that use conquerer to balance around runes, not runes around champions because runes are a staple in the game.
THEN nerf runes. Good bye half the roster.
Isn't that what they did to Sona, GP, Vayne, Ezreal?
Nerf the champs then the runes/items that break them : ^)
The rito special!
AirKingNeo1 votesJax with Conqueror isn't very strong right now, so Jax is clearly weaker than Irelia.
LordGeovanni1 votesWouldnt that be because Jax doesnt need conqourer since he does pretty even mixed damage if you build him right? Most of jax's damage would come from ap. Also isnt Irelia considered the top fighter? So Because you arent equal to the top champion you arent worth anything? While Irealia does have mixed damage most of her damage is still Physical damage from her Q
AirKingNeo1 votesactually Jax likes Conqueror because he has mixed damage, as a weakness of mixed damage is lacking penetration
Irelia is nerfed out of the game right now.
LordGeovanni1 votesAnd the weakness of Facing mixed damage is you cant fully defend from both damage types So Penetration isnt needed. and then you still need to build damage.
Gamer Gallade1 votesYeah Conqueror is not fun to play against and with any luck on Ritos part, they nerf the bonus True damage and make it scale by level then I can see it as a reasonable nerf but I think flat out nerfing the damage bonus by 5%(or more) makes it far weaker.
Because that keystone is absolutely broken with and .
I really hate that I have to fear their degenerate bullshit do to the fact that one builds crit regardless and will hurt alot while the other is on hit that will chop you up faster then a God damn shredder, not even Tank items will help you against him.
In the end, I think in the long run between Yasuo and Yi broken factor is their kit.
We can all hate Yasuo all the time and the players but Yi is just a right click champion that has an untargetable skill and bonus flat AD base on the level of his Wu Ju style.
I cant wait for those two to get nerfed along side a Conqueror nerf