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Not gonna lie, if the changes to Rylais dumpster Morde...

Malicious Metal··147 votes·7,869 views

I'll probably quit the game.

I've been through enough with the bloody Juggernaut patch and its dreaded aftermath. I fought for a better, workable Solo lane Morde. I tried everything to make him work.

And lo and behold I succeeded. Morde is in a GOOD spot, he's strong in the hands of those who know him and offers some rather clear counterplay. He can be played Top, Jungle and Mid. His build's very flexible beyond Rylais as his core.

And all of this might just go to waste if Riot decides to cater to the squishy burst mages rather than the battlemages and bruisers when they medfle with Rylais. Now, nothing's set in stone but them even considering making it a mana/cdr/ap option makes me scared that they'll just go through with that instead of plan B ( nerf the AP/Slow)

I've had enough. I'm done having to fight for my champion's viability. If Riot dumpsters him so be it.

They might lose ONE player, not that they'd care but I'd hate to lose everything I worked for.

Sorry about the rant, I had to vent

~M.M

237 Comments

redfeenix30 votes

Its almost like they should give him a slow in his kit. So he isnt item dependent to play well.

For example, if his Q was a large AOE mace swing which slowed enemies down, that might be a fine choice.

No champion should ever be depenendent on items to fulfull their core playstyle fantasy. If Morde needs a slow in his kit on a 10s cooldown, so he feels relevent and less clunky, so fkn be it. Give the Tin Man some fkn CC.

Sniper 014 votes

You mean like the other juggernauts who have some form of sticking potential in their kit? Nah, that would be unfair. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Lintu Puck11 votes

character wise it makes sense for the other 3. Garen - brave knight who fearlessly charges into battle Darius - fearless general who despises cowardly fleeing and will yank the fools back into the fight Skarner - a scorpion capturing it's prey and dragging it back into it's hole

then we have Morde, a HULKING, walking suit of armor with an undying and murderous soul inside that will either crush you with his might or let you die from the very spell that keeps him alive. Think of Morde as a Horror Movie character like Jason Vorhees if he was made to look like Sauron from Lord of The Ring. Run all you want, but he will eventually find you, and you will be Huehuehue'd to death.

Ahristocats26 votes

Don't forget me pls, come into Dota2 and play Rylai there :^)

on a serious note, not only it will destroy morde, but it won't fixe any of rylai's issue.

Malicious Metal21 votes

Chaos knight is more of my thing :^)

Seriously though, people complain about Rylais offering a huge slow without impacting the mage's capability to utterly DESTROY you.

They should be forced to choose between UTILITY or MURDER POWER

A nerfed slow and rearranged stats would be best, werding out abuse cases and not severely impacting rylais users in general

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

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Chaos knight is more of my thing :^)

Seriously though, people complain about Rylais offering a huge slow without impacting the mage's capability to utterly DESTROY you.

They should be forced to choose between UTILITY or MURDER POWER

A nerfed slow and rearranged stats would be best, werding out abuse cases and not severely impacting rylais users in general

I think the slow should be adjusted down a bit, the AP should be nerfed to 60-70, and the HP should be buffed slightly in return.

Ahristocats29 votes

Rylai used to be trash tier before, and then riot buffed the AP to 100 what they also did is olafing other AP items like luden's echo (used to give 120) and Zhonya's AP (used to give 120) this made rylai's damage side being stronger than the average for an utility item.

Take Zhonya. Used to have the most broken active in the game (still does but the cooldown used to be lower) and used to give a luden's lvl of AP. Did riot converted Armor into i don't know what? no, they nerfed the AP to make mages not rushing Zhonya blindlessly and think twice about building it for the active while losing damage.

same thing should be done for Rylai. People are arguing over mages being squishy, but who the fuck cares. They're still going to bagdad you while abusing a strong utility passive.

Melledoneus7 votes

Cut the AP down to 60, increase HP by 200. Boom, tanky AP item that requires you to sacrifice damage.

Xonra4 votes

Yeah as someone who plays a lot of Rumble...Morde isn't the only champ that would take a bit of a nasty hit if they turn it into some awkward CDR/Mana item.

Umbra Ionia2 votes

Hm? Rumble still has 2 slows. E and R.

Sahn Uzal25 votes

silently hands you some oranges You need them more than I do...

Onwodori2 votes

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silently hands you some oranges You need them more than I do...

Nah dude we need those

Sahn Uzal4 votes

We do. But he needs them more now.

Jbels22 votes

I gave up fighting for Morde when I realized certainlyT was too proud and too much of an ass to see that his rework was going to destroy Morde. I rediscovered my love of Morde, but it wasn't enough to keep playing him. It just never felt worth it anymore. I hated feeling shackled by my inability to use my W's full potential whenever I want to, I loathed not mattering until I got Rylais, and I especially hated that my base stats were gimped for no other reason than to make him "balanced" for botlane, and that they weren't reverted as soon as Morde went back to solo lane the first chance he fucking got.

Thank you for taking a champion who needed a VGU or nothing, giving him a half-assed "He's broken so he's fixed now" rework, and then leaving him to be ripped apart by the balance team. Fucking thank you.

Knoyle7 votes

How is CertainlyT even still hired? The most hated champions in the game have mostly involved him. Yasuo Kalista

TotalJerk6 votes

CertainlyT had absolutely nothing to do with Lee Sin and Zed. What are you even talking about? As a matter of fact, both of those champions were released before CertainlyT even started working at Riot.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

he does really cool champion designs. there's nothing wrong with yasuo other than that people like to cry about him

Knoyle2 votes

The problem is that there is nothing wrong with Yasuo. Free shield for mitigating lane harrass, 2x crit chance so you literally get 100% crit off 2 items. Ability that blocks all projectiles. Auto reset on q that changes into ranged poke. high mobility with his e. Ult that gives 50% armor pen (don't try to argue that it only works on critical strikes because what yasuo isn't going to build those 2 crit items for the 100%?) He's overall just infuriating to see in a game because he's either that 1 trick smurf thats going to 1v5 your team or that dumbass yasuo "main" who feeds and blames it on the Jungler. I'm not calling him op but if there was a champion that I would say would just make the game more fun and enjoyable with their removal it would be him. I've actually gotten less salty permabanning this champion whenever I have a ban.

Stars Shaper13 votes

Riot has to understand that removing Rylai's from Morde build path means that He needs:

  • More base HP (a lot).
  • A new way/item to keep him tanky and dangerous damage wise.
  • A new way/item which makes him able to soft CC whatever he wants.

Missing even one of this will hinder Mordekaiser by a tremendous lot.

Matezoide11 votes

I quit the game ever since the Mordekaiser rework went live tbqh, i just like to shitpost.

Mapo7 votes

bye

Malicious Metal22 votes

Don't celebrate yet.

The actual changes are still a mystery. But the bloody waiting is killing me...

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

I was about to ask where I could find these changes everything is clamoring about... haha. For your sake, and the sake of game health, I hope they come up with a solution that doesn't dumpster the AP bruisers. As a avid Swain player, I feel I have something invested in that, too (but it's less dangerous to mess with for him. He'll be fine either way, likely).

Anonagon7 votes

You don't need to make 4 threads about Morde and Rylais within 24 hours You've said the same thing in all of them "Rylais needs to be an option for immobile people who need both health and a slow" And you've made your point. But please just bump your old threads. You don't need to make so many threads about the same topic.

I also don't think you nearly mean what you are saying here. You've been through the last million times Morde has been dumpstered and the last million times he's been changed beyond recognition without quitting, you'll make it through again. If Morde is in as good and healthy of a spot as you say, no doubt Riot would buff him if Rylais changes guttered him.

Also, instead of making such a big deal about Rylais, why not, you know, ask for Morde to get a slow on his base kit? It would make him not entirely dependent on Rylais to exist, so I could see Riot doing it.

SkyblazeHydraX36 votes

Honestly, here's my question.

Why not make it so DoT/Multi-hit spells can only proc the Rlyai's slow for a certain period of time or for so long before needing another spell or spellcast to refresh it?

Like for real, make it so Chaos Storm or Miasma or Voidlings or (insert spell here) doesn't proc the Rylai's slow with every single tick. I admit that would hurt Morde a little bit what with his ult and W, but wouldn't it help with toning it down a bit and hitting the abuse cases? Or would it just make things overly complex?

Malicious Metal4 votes

That actually sounds workable.

Though Spaghetti seems to love these kinds of codes Trust me, I'm half Italian

420 grams5 votes

Well they already got rid of my devourer Yi, so down with everyone else too

Malicious Metal84 votes

Rip Runeglaive Ez

May you burn in hell

Melledoneus26 votes

No, hell is too good for that creature.

We'll leave it in the Magma Chamber.

50000000000000006 votes

Yeah, we'll put it next to Yorick's rewo... oh, right. Urgot's rework?

Drahcir1 votes

Urgot is in the lineup for a rework apparently.

SlntReaper5 votes

Riot furgot about Urgot.

Canastus1 votes

How about next to Cassiopeia's nonexistent skinreleases?

Spoofghoul26 votes

but thats because she keeps shedding them so they stopped bothering

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

Evil never dies. He'll be back once some new item is introduced.

500000000000000011 votes

Assassin update is gonna find some way to break Ezreal somehow

Zero Skill Tank5 votes

I think they should split it in two items somehow. Rylai's is important for all groups of AP champions, because over the years AP itemization as a whole got gutted. Any group of mages that would lose access to it would be seriously nerfed.

Slow is mostly abusive on squishy mages, so I think Rylai's should be made an AP bruiser item, but than squishy mages need a new item to compensate. Without Rylai option they would be left with item 3165 item 3020 item 3089 item 3135 item 3157 item 3285 every single game, making burst mage builds more cookie-cutter than S1 marksman builds...

Pentarina Only3 votes

I hope Riot buries mordekaiser for good.

GULAG 4 U17 votes

I how riot nerfs faceroll kata for good ;)

Pentarina Only2 votes

Katarina does take skill unlike Mordekaiser who gets a free perms shield from using abilities.

Matezoide18 votes

The only difficulty part about Katarina is not blowing your ult at the beggining of team fights lol. Mord actually needs positioning.

Knoyle7 votes

They both have simple aspects tbh. Its just Kat requires knowing WHEN and Morde is more Knowing WHAT and HOW if I'm making sense when I say this.

Linna Excel2 votes

Or you could just move on to a different champ until riot fixes him again.

Malicious Metal12 votes

I can't...

660.6k mastery points with Morde while my second highest (Naut) only got about 50 k

Jbels4 votes

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I can't...

660.6k mastery points with Morde while my second highest (Naut) only got about 50 k

Hey man, when Morde was dragged to hell, Sion was waiting for me with open arms

Ralanr5 votes

Sion: and I have no regrets.

chipndip16 votes

I mean I'm 1.4 mil on Sona, but I can hop on Nami whenever necessary. You can't if you think you can't, right?

Ralanr5 votes

Yorick: Come on man. I'm also still a part of the band.

Darth Pixy Misa1 votes

What if the damage on Morde's Q was tuned down a bit, and each hit stole 10% ms from his target

Mace of Spades COST: 20 / 23 / 26 / 29 / 32 Health COOLDOWN: 10 / 8.5 / 7 / 5.5 / 4

Active: Mordekaiser's next three basic attacks deal bonus magic damage, and steals 10% move speed from the target. The third hit's is the damage of the previous two combined. The move speed buff lasts 2 sec then decays, each hit refreshes the duration, on the stacking move speed buff.

First / Second Hit Bonus Magic Damage: 10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 (+ 45 / 55 / 65 / 75 / 85% AD) (+ 55% AP), Third HIT Bonus Magic Damage: 20 / 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 (+ 85 / 105 / 125 / 145 / 165% AD) (+ 110% AP)

Slythion8 votes

Isn't the problem about getting to the target more than sticking to the target for Morde? I'm not sure how your changes would actually help him if he still can't have a way to reach his target

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