How come Adaptive Helm is not what the name implies?

BLIGHTBRINGER·Jun 24, 2019·12 votes·6,646 views

You know actually ADAPTIVE? Right now it's just an Magic Resistance Item by default...

What if the Passive and the flat Resistance Stats on the item were split into half Armor/Magic Resistance...

## Adaptive Helm

+350 Health [REMOVED] ~~+55 Magic Resistance~~ [NEW] +25 Armor [NEW] +25 Magic Resistance +100% Base Health Regeneration +10% Cooldown Reduction

UNIQUE - Passive: Taking Magic or Physical Damage from a Spell or Effect reduces all subsequent Magic or Physical Damage taken from that Spell or Effect by 20% for 4 seconds.

36 Comments

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20198 votes

theyre buffing the shit out of rylais, liandries and rod of ages (less of a problem but still adds onto it) next patch. (hopefully they pull this shit before it goes through.)

can we not make top lane mages and brand more broken? theyre going to be completely busted next patch already. what riot has planned for those items is actually a fucking terrible idea.

also, why do you want to nerf garen and darius when theyre already meh picks. and why do you want to buff tahm kench further by nerfing one of the counter items to him?

BLIGHTBRINGERJun 24, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-24T17:46:13.792+0000)

theyre buffing the shit out of rylais, liandries and rod of ages (less of a problem but still adds onto it) next patch. (hopefully they pull this shit before it goes through.)

can we not make top lane mages and brand more broken? theyre going to be completely busted next patch already. what riot has planned for those items is actually a fucking terrible idea.

also, why do you want to nerf garen and darius when theyre already meh picks. and why do you want to buff tahm kench further by nerfing one of the counter items to him?

My intention isn't to nerf Garen or Darius directly, but to make the name of the item make sense. The word "adaptive"..

Adaptive Definition: having an ability to change to suit different conditions

The item only suits one condition, dealing with Magic Damage. If it's Adaptive, then I don't see why it shouldn't have a similar Adaptive Physical Reduction.

But if I were to make a comment in regards to how this would affect Garen and Darius, they would simply feel less oppressive, similar to how Malzahar or Brand feel less oppressive when a Tank has this item (Mages have Liandry's Torment as of right now to reduce the effectiveness of this item, and Fighters would have Black Cleaver that would help reduce the effectiveness of this item if such change would take place).

Additionally if such change took place, this item would feel like a good choice against the following...

To name a few.

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T17:59:06.210+0000)

My intention isn't to nerf Garen or Darius directly, but to make the name of the item make sense.

and by doing that, youre clearly nerfing garen and darius. thats not up to interpretation, thats a fact.

but as you said it yourself LT is probably getting it's Passive Reworked so it's hard to say that it's a bad idea.

buffing rylais and liandries like crazy is most definitely 100% a terrible idea, because none of the champions who are using the items are performing terrible right now.

sylas and diana suck because they got nerfed, or in dianas case simply her kit sucks. has shit to do with the itemization.

so buffing all these hp shredding ap items like crazy, and nerfing the mr on the only counter item to their users, is a horrible idea.

BLIGHTBRINGERJun 24, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T18:00:40.109+0000)

and by doing that, youre clearly nerfing garen and darius. thats not up to interpretation, thats a fact.

buffing rylais and liandries like crazy is most definitely 100% a terrible idea, because none of the champions who are using the items are performing terrible right now.

sylas and diana suck because they got nerfed, or in dianas case simply her kit sucks. has shit to do with the itemization.

so buffing all these hp shredding ap items like crazy, and nerfing the mr on the only counter item to their users, is a horrible idea.

Not really as this also can affect a wider range of champions other than just Garen or Darius.

As for the MR Nerf, I don't think keeping both MR and Armor on this item (if the change took place) the same value as the current MR (55) would be wise, it would be too good in terms of cost efficiency and it would just be overused and maybe even purchased first.

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T17:59:06.210+0000) Additionally if such change took place, this item would feel like a good choice against the following...

Q

Q

W

Q

Q

W

R

and how many of those are actually strong?

nasus? trash. reksai is fine. renekton is fine. (bramble/thornmail works well against his w.) riven? op. udyr, trash. urgot, is ok. wukong? trash.

the only ones i would even remotely agree with are urgot and riven, but theyre a problem because of specific mechanics in their kits. especially rivens animation cancel is a completely different issue.

by the way, "spell or effect" includes auto attacks and on hit effects aswell. thats why the item works vs teemo. so making it work on physical damage effects would literally affect all ad champions in the game.

if you would exclude auto attacks, we suddenly dont have a counter item against Corki anymore.

Love AnastasiaJun 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-24T17:46:13.792+0000)

theyre buffing the shit out of rylais, liandries and rod of ages (less of a problem but still adds onto it) next patch. (hopefully they pull this shit before it goes through.)

can we not make top lane mages and brand more broken? theyre going to be completely busted next patch already. what riot has planned for those items is actually a fucking terrible idea.

also, why do you want to nerf garen and darius when theyre already meh picks. and why do you want to buff tahm kench further by nerfing one of the counter items to him?

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/es/champions/stats/darius/diamond

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/es/champions/stats/garen/diamond

Is this weak to you? XDD

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lan Fan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-24T19:11:45.732+0000)

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/es/champions/stats/darius/diamond

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/es/champions/stats/garen/diamond

Is this weak to you? XDD

"normals and ranked"

aka the stats of games with randomly assembled players from any mmr, including iron tier + diamond rated ranked games mixed together. this is why league of graphs is fucking useless.

even in this case, it shows garens winrate at 49% with a 3.4% pick rate, so thanks for making my point i guess?

Love AnastasiaJun 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-24T19:13:32.740+0000)

"normals and ranked"

aka the stats of games with players from any mmr, including iron tier, mixed together + diamond rated ranked games mixed together. this is why league of graphs is fucking useless.

even in this case, it shows garens winrate at 49% with a 3.4% pick rate, so thanks for making my point.

https://blitz.gg/lol/champions/Garen?role=top&queue=ranked-solo-duo&rank=platinum-plus&region=world

Is this one better for you, lad? a r%%%%% champion as Garen, that should only be useful at VERY low elo, has 51 % wr at platinum +.

Basically, has positive winrate in ever single league, having 53 % in bronze and silver. A champ that according to boards should be useless because He HasNt mObiLitY

Meanwhile, "Op champs" like Irelia (according to boards, obv) have 46 % wr in ever league below Master.

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lan Fan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T19:22:10.217+0000)

https://blitz.gg/lol/champions/Garen?role=top&queue=ranked-solo-duo&rank=platinum-plus&region=world

Is this one better for you, lad? a r%%%%% champion as Garen, that should only be useful at VERY low elo, has 51 % wr at platinum +.

Basically, has positive winrate in ever single league, having 53 % in bronze and silver. A champ that according to boards should be useless because He HasNt mObiLitY

Meanwhile, "Op champs" like Irelia (according to boards, obv) have 46 % wr in ever league below Master.

this is still nothing extraordinary. this is scraping just above 50% winrate with a low pick rate.

at diamond+ his winrate drops to almost exactly 50% already.

not terrible, but far from even strong, and definitely not deserving of a nerf like this.

FiveAneurysmsJun 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-24T17:46:13.792+0000)

theyre buffing the shit out of rylais, liandries and rod of ages (less of a problem but still adds onto it) next patch. (hopefully they pull this shit before it goes through.)

can we not make top lane mages and brand more broken? theyre going to be completely busted next patch already. what riot has planned for those items is actually a fucking terrible idea.

also, why do you want to nerf garen and darius when theyre already meh picks. and why do you want to buff tahm kench further by nerfing one of the counter items to him?

I dont know, why they are fucking buffin AP items, I just dont. Mages are find, you can argue that they are actually too strong just because their items are overtuned, so what do they do? Buff the fucking items

Velzard of KozJun 24, 20197 votes

Adaptive means it adapts to the spell, protecting you from it from that point on. Like an animal adapts to high heat environment to not get damaged by the high heat environment, AH adapts you against Cass E and so on.

So like, If your suggestion is based purely on name, you just missed the item's name's point. If you mean your suggestion seriously, it's MR item because we already have Randuins and Thornmail. The item was literally supposed to be anti-spam-mage item. Why would you remove full-MR item when there's lack of them is beyond me, especially when there's literally no need for it.

KanzlerJun 24, 20195 votes

Your changes make that item broken beyond belief, specifically because of how it would reduce auto attack damage by 20%.

BLIGHTBRINGERJun 24, 20194 votes

{quoted}

Your changes make that item broken beyond belief, specifically because of how it would reduce auto attack damage by 20%.

Sigh

To anyone reading this comment, this Passive of this item doesn't interact with Auto Attacks (unless they apply a separate damaging effect like Teemo E for example).

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-24T20:27:50.226+0000)

Sigh

To anyone reading this comment, this Passive of this item doesn't interact with Auto Attacks (unless they apply a separate damaging effect like Teemo E for example).

except it currently does interact with Corki basic attacks.

if you remove basic attack interaction altogether, you now buffed the shit out of corki. congratulations.

LeafyGreenJun 24, 20193 votes

Yes you have buffed the shit out of corki because the reason he isn't played is because adaptive helm exists [sg-zephyr]

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20192 votes

{quoted}

Yes you have buffed the shit out of corki because the reason he isn't played is because adaptive helm exists [sg-zephyr]

as a carry who deals magic damage on a crit build, his scaling can actually be quite insane. there isnt much counter itemization to that.

adaptive helm against corki is pretty much your version of randuins to face him.

take that away, and how do you even deal with that kind of damage? especially since item 3135 is so strong, and mr is harder to get than armor + he shreds a decent amount of flat mr on top of it all.

LeafyGreenJun 25, 20191 votes

I understand how it helps a lot against him but even still, with randuins in the game crit ADCs aren't useless either. Corki is weak or underplayed not because adaptive helm exists.

BLIGHTBRINGERJun 24, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T21:03:32.002+0000)

except it currently does interact with basic attacks.

if you remove basic attack interaction altogether, you now buffed the shit out of corki. congratulations.

First off, it only works because his Passive enhances his basic attacks with bonus MAGIC damage, it only reduces the magic part not his overall AA damage.

Secondly no one buys Adaptive Helm against a Corki, not specifically anyway. There's no reason to do it.

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-24T22:24:06.906+0000)

First off, it only works because his Passive enhances his basic attacks with bonus MAGIC damage, it only reduces the magic part not his overall AA damage.

Secondly no one buys Adaptive Helm against a Corki, not specifically anyway. There's no reason to do it.

his auto attacks dont deal bonus magic damage.

80% of his auto attack damage (including critical strikes) gets converted to magic damage. if you dont buy adaptive helm against corkis autos, w, r and e, id say youre trolling. except for his q, his entire kits damage is repeated applications of magic damage from the same abilities. its a LOT of magic damage from his autos.

adaptive helm basically reduces most of his damage by 20% as an mr item, and its literally the best defensive item you can buy against him.

stacking a randuins on top of it is a great bonus if the enemy team is also running a regular crit marksman, but adaptive helm is still the item you want against corki.

Tychusfindlay918Jun 24, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T21:03:32.002+0000)

except it currently does interact with basic attacks.

if you remove basic attack interaction altogether, you now buffed the shit out of corki. congratulations.

No, because you dont even need to build helm against corki.

Critmaster GarenJun 24, 20194 votes

youre unhappy that the item doesnt live up to its name?

fine, have a compromise: rename it.

BLIGHTBRINGERJun 24, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-24T18:12:17.547+0000)

youre unhappy that the item doesnt live up to its name?

fine, have a compromise: rename it.

It's not that i'm unhappy but it's a little inconsistent that's all, would be a nice touch.

Additionally, a lot of people have been saying how Tanks have limited item diversity and the options are not always the best for what they are looking for.

SociopathFriendJun 24, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6aGaANWF,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-24T18:18:30.636+0000)

It's not that i'm unhappy but it's a little inconsistent that's all, would be a nice touch.

No it isn't.

It adapts to each individual different application of magic damage by reducing it. The item does exactly what the name says it does. It does not adapt to just anything but it doesn't have to adapt to everything to still be an adaptive helm.