A Shen Main Discusses His Thoughts on the new Shen Rework (Reading Required)

Melledoneus··9 votes·1,955 views

I am Melledoneus, a Silver 5 player on the NA server. I mostly play top lane, particularly in the tank role. My main champion in this role is Shen, the Eye of Twilight. In case you were not aware, Shen recently got a rework. I played it. Now let's get to the point to keep this short(ish?) and sweet. (I mainly play Shen top, and occasionally jungle, so keep this in mind.)

The new rework turned Shen into a completely melee champion reliant on a narrow dash to deal damage. While his damage against bulkier enemies has increased, his weaknesses are much more defined. A little too defined. See, Shen now has to deal with champions with constant poke with very little sustain to begin with on a regular basis. But it was something.

The new Q does not make up for the sustain that Shen lost. Neither does the rest of his kit. But that's okay.

I know, I know. "That's stupid, Shen's heal was crucial to his laning phase!" I agree. And I was infuriated when I first saw that. But then, I realized... they buffed his regen. A lot. And if he is not surviving in lane like he used to, Riot can always buff his regen. His regen is pretty good right now, somewhere around Renekton-Mundo levels of natural health regen. As much as this will help him survive in lane, it will become more difficult to deal with his more unfavorable matchups such as Aatrox or Vladimir where his sustain was outmatched to begin with. Not to mention that lanes like Teemo and Gangplank will be a lot less fun because mitigating poke is not something emphasized in Shen's kit anymore.

Shen's new W lacks proper mitigation. Shen needs to spend precious cooldowns to mitigate any damage now, and that's not fair.

People will argue something along the lines of "but Shen's shield is meant to be used in combat only!" I'd both agree and disagree with that notion. While Shen does indeed use his W in combat to mitigate damage, it also was a tool to expend during the laning phase to make poke lanes oh so much less painful than they usually are. That being said, I'd take this new W over the old one any day. The old one was nearly a waste of energy, not even hitting 300 HP on a tank's shield even when fully upgraded. This new W lets him negate autos completely, which is something I would love to have against laners like Tryndamere and Riven. It makes for something much more influential late game, as it provides your carries with a way to deal with auto-based burst like Rengar and Talon. My only other gripe is that it has such a short duration and most of the time doesn't feel as impactful as it should.

Shen's E has not been changed at all.

Usually, I'd be glad to see this. However, seeing an 11 second cooldown slapped on to it along with the removal of any range whatsoever on Shen kind of bothers me now. The ability is the same old, good taunt that we all know and love. However, personally I'd like to see one of three things:

  1. An increase of range. Shen's E is now incredibly crucial to his kit. Without it, he can't get to his target. A range increase, even if just a slight one, will give his dash the massive impactful feeling to match how impactful it really is.
  2. An increase in width. This will make it easier for Shen to land multi-man taunts without having to line up enemies like it's a public execution.
  3. Decrease the cooldown, or give it a way to decrease it. An example would be that depending on how many enemies Shen lands his taunt on, his E cooldown is reduced by X seconds. Could use some tinkering.

Shen's damage has shifted from being more impactful to squishies to being stronger against brutes.

Shen's passive, Ki strike, used to be good against squishier champions. I loved this. It gave me the pressure I needed to zone the enemy ADC or mage away from the fight, possibly even finish them off if the assassin failed. Now that it's shifted to % max HP damage, it seems that Shen was built to combat the front line rather than dive the back line. A word of advice to Riot would be to give Shen some way to deal meaningful base damage with his Q, perhaps something scaling off of HP. Or just make item 3075 viable again so I don't have to build item 3748 every game to deal damage to champions.

That's my input for now. If you have any questions, comments, lawsuits, challenging statements, etc. just post here. And try to be polite, we're all playing this game for fun, not to verbally rip each other to shreds.

21 Comments

Paladin 0f Life1 votes

Solid opinions! Great outtake on the rework. Shen now has a very unique play style with the somewhat new meta of tanks being solely top or sometimes bot. If you can deny the usual one or two tanks then the team will be easy to finish off. Riot has done good reworks so far. can not wait for taric. But look at the rework in a more objective based way. He is a presence and forces a fight that the team usually will not want.

YuGiHo1 votes

I dont like that almost 100% of hes damage was thrown into into his autos like hes some some kind of damage fighter but even those champs do it better and have more than 125 auto range. how is this guy supposed to do any anything but get kited forever.

Crett1 votes

He's got a dash that taunts you and he slows enemies running away from him Add on item 3143 item 3742 or item 3025 and people won't be kiting him unless they're Kalista

YuGiHo1 votes

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He's got a dash that taunts you and he slows enemies running away from him Add on item 3143 item 3742 or item 3025 and people won't be kiting him unless they're Kalista

the dash itself has a small range and narrow width, and his slow only works if you can git that blade to pass through them. Cait could kite him till the end of days

Varnoc1 votes

Further, the slow only works if you get the blade the pass through them and they're moving away from Shen.

Dreadlocks1 votes

I think this guy hit the nail on the head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhURB4Y-eM But yeah.. i feel more obligated to build T.Hydra as well, not sure if i'm happy about this or not.

Crett1 votes

Shen's E damage scales with bonus health. PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 50 / 85 / 120 / 155 / 190 (+ 12% bonus health) I can say with certainty that he can near instagib squishies late-game with Titanic Hydra

Melledoneus1 votes

Wait, PHYSICAL damage? What?!?

Also, where do you get these scalings from? I couldn't find them anywhere.

Crett1 votes

LoL Wiki and I'm also in the PBE

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Wait wtf physical damage?

Ralanr1 votes

I'm still weirded out by building an AD item on someone with no AD scalings.

I mean it works. AD and Attack speed runes help with laning and last hitting.

I just find it odd to build an AD item on him.

Thund3r Ang3l1 votes

Question to the OP, Im a shen main too and I would like to hear your Opinion For his Armor scaling nerf ( 2.6 from 4 )

Melledoneus2 votes

I don't know why Riot keeps nerfing armor every time they touch something. I don't see how higher base HP would be a reason to nerf Shen's naturally scaling armor, either.

However, if Riot puts Shen live right now without any changes, Shen will be losing 37-ish armor late game, which is never good. However, details like that are not something the community really wants to hear about, so I'll save it for when Riot talks to us about the new rework.

XaviorZeroBlazer1 votes

I know not that good at theory crafting but with this rework will AP/AS tank Shen become a thing or will he still stay AD tank

Melledoneus2 votes

He's never really been an AD tank, and AP builds were usually those off-meta builds that never utilized Shen's utility to the maximum. That being said...

There really isn't a reason to build AP on Shen anymore. His E scales off HP now. Not to mention that his Q doesn't have an AP ratio, either. Regardless, Shen's identity as a dueling tank is the same, but in a different light. He's better at taking down bruisers now than squishies, so I think that his usual strategy of diving the back line has solidified into him being a front line fighter.

To answer your question, Shen will continue being a tank. People are going to start building him AD for a while, but will realize it doesn't really work so they'll stop. However, item 3748 will most likely become a core item on the ninja, meaning that he's going to be taking more of a bruiser approach when he's supposed to be a tank.

Does that answer your question?

XaviorZeroBlazer1 votes

for the most part yes, but the %health damage from his Q does scale on AP and with some AP when he lands his combo he could chuck people down. I'm not saying he would build a lot of AP just like a item 3115 or item 3124 and if he was crazy snowballing a item 3151 . Otherwise I would still be building him full tank

Melledoneus1 votes

His AP ratios are abysmal. Not to mention the nerfs to his scaling armor would mean he can no longer afford not to build 3-4 armor items since Riot thought it was a good idea to take 2 and a half Cloth Armor's worth of scaling atmor away from Shen.

Catastrop1 votes

I'll probably stick my normal build path...well with a couple of situational changes to accommodate the changes. item 1315 item 3068 item 3065 item 3091 item 3742 item 3083 I'll most likely swap SV out for item 3102 from now on considering he doesn't have any inherent sustain to boost anymore. Warmog's might be dropped in favour of item 3748(which I'm not really a big fan of on Shen unless I'm playing Devo Shen). I would swap Wit's End out instead and keep Warmog's but, I'm a big fan of On-hit Shen because he does so much mixed damage while being tanky that it's insane. Honestly, I'm quite pleased overall. Aside from the armour nerf and lack of long range poke, I look forward for when he hits live.

Melledoneus2 votes

He's the squishiest top laner in the game now. And he's supposed to be a "mighty unkillable supertank."

Abyssphere1 votes

She's damage was changed to be more effective against tanky targets because he is designed to be more of a defensive tank now. His W encourages him to stay with his backline, which will be dealing with the enemy's bulky targets more often.

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