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Jesus Christ, just remove Tahm's ally Devour at this point.

SpecterVonBaren·4/18/2019, 11:49:18 PM·95 votes·20,664 views

Twitter post of upcoming Tahm Kench changes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4eCGeLVUAE3iDz.png:large

Dear God, he's now just a garbage support period. His one, ONE ability that he gets to use consistently is now on a longer CD so he's just sitting around doing jack shit even more, his R is even MORE useless in the support position since it's even worse at early levels. And the W change alongside everything else they've done to it just makes me restate my topic title, just remove his ability to use Devour on an ally if you're going to do this.

Look, I know all of you on the boards hate Tahm, but I loved finally having a champ that could piss off all the hard engage supports I've had to deal with since Season 4. If that aspect is going to be so contentious that it makes Tahm noob bait in the support role then you may as well just rework him to be purely a jungler or top laner, don't string along those of us that loved using Tahm as a support like this, these W changes just make support Tahm a reportable offense.

The only real positive here is the E changes, especially the removal of the mana cost for his E.

Edit: Hhm... is there a reason I got a response from a Rioter that hasn't posted in 3 years? I'm seeing a deleted comment from Jordash here.

135 Comments

Chembaron Yamada4/19/2019, 12:01:42 AM55 votes

Wow.... slowed and grounded while devouring an ally... additionally it costs 100 mana now.... There really isn't much left to ever consider using W on an ally now.

Saezio4/19/2019, 12:25:30 AM33 votes

Oh they really hate supports over there at riot. Especially the ones that can actually turn fights. Nerfing both tahm and rakan? CHECK RIVEN AND VAYNE considered "bellow the threshold for a nerf" ? CHECK

ToxicSquiid4/19/2019, 1:11:47 AM25 votes

Honestly, what the fuck Riot?

Tahm Kench literally only sees pro-play now because of how shit tier of a support he is - now you're effectively gutting his Top and Jungle as well. This is actually outrageous. Rework the character if you're going to gut him, and take Vayne and Riven with him since 43% win rate is too damn high for you.

THE RlVER KlNG4/19/2019, 3:01:27 AM18 votes

these changes are so fucking gross and disgusting.

riot should be ashamed.

Auroramancer4/19/2019, 3:58:25 AM18 votes

Q changes unneeded. W changes are atrocious. E buffs and R nerfs are a fair tradeoff.

What absolute horseshit the W changes are. I play TK because I want a tanky protection support who I can use to UNDO the bad choices of my teammates. I don't want Alistar because I'll just be able to disable my enemies. I don't want Thresh because I'm not looking to make picks, and I won't be all that tanky. I want TK for the games where the team composition matchup is rough and I have little confidence in my ADC's ability to make smart choices.

NOT TO MENTION that effectively using TK's W on an ally requires the ally's cooperation. It is the most frustrating thing in the world to rescue an ally from a fatal situation, just to have them click out of your devour as soon as they can, AND IN THE DIRECTION OF THE THREATS TOO. Also, Flashing with a devoured ally is hard as hell too because if the ally is clicking out of your devour, and your spit animation begins, if you flash right as that animation begins, YOU flash but your ally is dropped where you were before your flash was cast.

So what exactly is the point of slowing and grounding TK during ally devour then? This is already a meta that TK struggles to thrive in. You slow him down so that any ally devouring is basically team griefing. You ground him to prevent any flashy devour->flash plays that rarely ever work out to begin with. Now the devour minion spit damage and enemy champion devour damage is nerfed to hell...

No point in playing TK anymore, he was already struggling and performing poorly in this meta. Guess I'll start playing support Poppy to fulfill the role of high-skill protection outplay support that TK used to fill.

SonicPaladin4/19/2019, 8:39:04 AM17 votes

I can deal with grounded, I CANNOT however, deal with 95% slow. I'm baffled they even considered that.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M4/19/2019, 12:31:20 AM14 votes

BuT hE's ToO gOoD iN mUh PrO-pLaY

Baron Barian4/19/2019, 12:31:33 AM11 votes

Feels like they really want to push him into the top lane now.

I mean...I'l do it, it's always fun. But I liked having him as a support.

Boltonator4/19/2019, 12:38:36 AM11 votes

JEsus christ, first rakan now Tahm? I fear 9.9 is “nerf support” patch

SpaghettiVase4/19/2019, 7:03:03 AM9 votes

So why do wardens exist again? I mean at this point there's only fucking 2 since Galio had his DR on ult removed and taric's way more of a hybrid. Braum and Shen are the only two left that are even considered halfway decent.

wolvius4/19/2019, 1:23:21 PM9 votes

https://i.redd.it/9w906y7nmerz.jpg

Vayne and riven apparently can't be nerfed because they ain't "too far" above 50%, yet tahm is eating a nerf and he is no where near 50.

Ffs champion gg has him as 42% winrate as a support. Can we please nerf vayne and riven now since 42% winrate is broken.

seems like he won't be as irritating top with w damage changes which is good.

Saianna4/19/2019, 2:49:26 AM8 votes

Debuffing tahm while he devours an ally is reasonable, really. It's like walking stasis. But devour CD/mana shouldn't be nerfed, cause that's just crap balancing.

RipReviveFkRito4/19/2019, 5:12:30 AM7 votes

I've dropped Tahm from my champ pool since the last W nerfs, they should just remove him at this point

Saevum4/19/2019, 12:42:12 PM6 votes

I cannot believe that the day has come...

R.I.P Tham, he will never be unbenched no more.

Jack Eron4/19/2019, 7:59:25 PM6 votes

I loved him since he was released but today i'm not even playing him... just imagine... he has ONE way to defend his own adc... but that spell has like HALF MINUTE CD! If it wouldn't be a joke even at this point... he has slow and even bigger mana cost on it?

Even shorter ult range in early? Why, why the hell?

Sillae4/19/2019, 4:14:26 PM6 votes

Nerfing supports and they're releasing a support soon. Is their plan to make every other support unplayable so you'd have to take the new one?

XxoRazorBladeoxX4/19/2019, 1:23:57 AM6 votes

Support role was always better than toplane/jungle role as tahm kench. No matter how much his fighter role gets buffed, it will still be less impactful than playing as a support. You just get outscaled late game trying to play as a fighter while support kench will always be useful in all stages of the game.

Considering that his main support ability is almost useless , would he still be considered a support? Wasn't tahm kench's kit originally designed as a fighter/peeler. I don't get their design philosophy anymore. They are just changing him into a different champion with a different role.

KFCeytron4/19/2019, 2:27:21 AM5 votes

Professional game designers right there. Too bad they only replace kits rather than recalling an entire champion and refunding BE/RP. But don't worry, he'll only be trash for another 2-4 years while he's waiting for a full rework that will probably be just successful as Akali's rework, Aatrox's rework, Galio's rework...

MorgManBasher4/19/2019, 8:56:32 AM5 votes

RIP Tahm top lane, those w nerfs to eating enemies

Ouch

Darius Strada4/19/2019, 3:49:37 PM5 votes

It's kinda sad since his "eating mechanic" is his own unique thing and that is getting nerfed, What's even the point of introducing new mechanicis into the game if they're just gonna nerf it to the ground to the point the champion becomes garbage? Wouldn'tbe surprised to see Tahm become a full time Top Laner now.

SettDownShutUp4/19/2019, 8:20:53 PM5 votes

DUDE, Increase his W slow all you want. But for the love of God DON'T GROUND HIM. That is some of the most satisfying feelings you can possibly have with kench saving you're ADC at the cost of your summoner spell. Don't do this! Please!

Nea1044/19/2019, 8:46:19 PM4 votes

This game keeps sinking, and this kind of things are the reason. Actually, the reason are the people responsible for it. Incompetence at its best.

LePruck4/19/2019, 7:30:13 AM4 votes

This is literally wrecking my favorite champ as a support main. Like these changes actually hurt to read.

Quáx4/19/2019, 9:50:47 PM4 votes

I think grounding could be a good move. But a slow? I can see where riot could potential maybe not so much smartly coming from because if he eats an ally and just walks away, you took a kill away from the enemy by just clicking a button essentally. But this will just kill them both, you may as well just not eat an ally at all with these changes. Oh well, hopefully Koreans get pissed so they can listen to them because apparently us western players dont have a strong opinion since we havent won worlds since s1.

ToxicSquiid4/19/2019, 1:31:09 AM4 votes

Better yet, remove Tahm - because he's too good for this world and this game.

D4M2X04/20/2019, 2:07:36 AM3 votes

meanwhile Thresh highest pickrate by at least double, W saves people from over walls and idiotic ADC's from a turret dive and makes it easier for junglers to gank. AND THATS JUST HES W.

better nerf TahmKench

ModKnightsKemplar4/19/2019, 5:18:35 AM2 votes

Honestly, though, from a thematic perspective... that's the right move. It never made sense for him to eat an ally anyway. Just remove it.

He'd be more thematically consistent and feel more like Tahm Kench without it, anyway. No loss there.

XJ999999999999994/19/2019, 4:49:07 PM2 votes

the W is my biggest concern. losses 60-200 damage on 600-2000 hp targets. losses more the more hp they have.

Sir Prepuzius4/19/2019, 10:53:05 AM1 votes

the dude has got several big buff, the only nerf is regarding his obnoxius and op devouring mechanic, yet you all complain like it's unplayable now