Why would a solo player want to be a part of dynamic queue?

Oakleaf Ranger··7 votes·702 views

I don't understand why any solo player would want to be apart of dynamic queue. Why would I want to participate in a game mode that gives an advantage to those who queue up as premades? Who are able to communicate more effectively, set up more organized plays, trust more, and have better team work that also punishes solo players who don't want to be a part of that. I can understand for allowing this in normals but how is this for fair ranked mode where a player's rank has predominantly depended on player's individual skill where now its about who has the most organized premade. Whats is even more aggravating is that dynamic queue also depends on solo players as well. Not because solo players make dynamic queue more fun or fair, But because we are needed as place holders/glue to fill in the gaps of premades. Why would I be excited or want to join a game mode where my most important aspect is that I allow the game to function and not my skill as an individual player? The only reason I'm even playing ranked is cause I'm so close to gold that once I reach it I'm probably going to stop until rank mode feels fair and emphasizes individual skill again.

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ntbcool5 votes

I don't understand why any dynamic player would want to be apart of solo queue. Why would I want to participate in a game mode that doesn't allow me to queue up with friends? Who are able to communicate more effectively, set up more organized plays, trust more, and have better team work that makes the game more enjoyable to them. It works in normals so why not in ranked? In a team based game playing with people that you will work better with just makes sense making the game more competitive and ranking people off how well they work with a team instead of how well they are at carrying. Whats is even more aggravating is that solo queue doesn't even allow dynamic queue players to exist, while dynamic queue can be used by both. Why would I be excited or want to join a game mode where I can't play if I want to play with more then one friend?

Oakleaf Ranger2 votes

Teamwork is important in this game but being able to carry yourself to victory held a greater emphasis before dyanamic queue came along. Being able to carry meant that you could also apply whatever advantage you gained to help or increase your team's chance of winning. Relying on your teammates to carry you was a last resort that wouldn't win you games consistently but carrying did while which allowed individual players to stand out and climb over those who couldn't. There already plenty of games where teamwork had greater emphasis than individual plays but league never felt like that before dynamic queue. It also feels like its losing its competitive integrity by allowing it in rank since individual player's flaws can be covered up by teamwork that could realistically only be achieved through voice communication and team playstyle understanding which the other team may not have access or want to use since it never felt required before dynamic queue. If that's the direction Riot wants to go in that's their right, just as it is mine and probably a lot of other solo players to jump ship and find something else that meets our needs. FYI without enough solo players, 4 man premades would die and be further evidence of what is wrong with the current system.

ntbcool2 votes

I didn't say let your team carry you, I said-in a team based game- it is more important to be able to play your part an work with your team to get victory. Instead of just having 5 different 1v1's and then in the late game hoping your team will do whwat your thinking and win the game.

There already plenty of games where teamwork had greater emphasis than individual plays but league never felt like that before dynamic queue. It also feels like its losing its competitive integrity by allowing it in rank since individual player's flaws can be covered up by teamwork that could realistically only be achieved through voice communication and team playstyle understanding which the other team may not have access or want to use since it never felt required before dynamic queue.

You make it seem like a bad thing that people are working together in a team game, it's like having a football game were everyone has their mouths taped up and every game they have completely different people on their team.....

If that's the direction Riot wants to go in that's their right, just as it is mine and probably a lot of other solo players to jump ship and find something else that meets our needs. FYI without enough solo players, 4 man premades would die and be further evidence of what is wrong with the current system.

It will never get to that point lol because I solo and duo a lot and so do many others who like the system. I do agree it's depended on solo plays for the system to work, but that's better then the old one where 3,4,5 man premades couldn't even play.

Dynamic Queue is worse for solo players, and it's not much better for duos, but it's infinitely better for 3 man, 4 man, 5 man groups that want to play with friends. And all the other benefits that come with it, to lazy to list it.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

There's one more point I also wanted to make as well. Those who climb through premades aren't always guaranteed to play in premades as they may choose to play solo as well. What this means is that players who relied on the advantages of premades to succeed will likely perform significantly worse due to the difference in skill between opposing players. Not only does this put your team at a disadvantage, but makes games unfun since the game potentially becomes a 4v5. Dynamic queue will continue to make true match making impossible in its current state while only serving as a crutch for those who learn to depend upon it.

The Queen Viper2 votes

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Why would I want to participate in a game mode that doesn't allow me to queue up with friends?

You don't need to.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NORMAL GAMES FOR CASUALS LIKE YOU.

Sneakyy XD2 votes

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I don't understand why any dynamic player would want to be apart of solo queue. Why would I want to participate in a game mode that doesn't allow me to queue up with friends?

You prefer dynamic queue (or at least sometimes)? That's great! We're happy for you. We love that Riot was able to make your League experience better.

Now why are you trying to make others' worse?

ntbcool2 votes

"others' worse", u mean feel worse or do worse? Anyway for people who like dynamic queue a solo queue system doesn't allow them to even play the way they want to... while a dynamic queue still allows solo players to play solo and allows premades to play.

Sneakyy XD2 votes

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"others' worse", u mean feel worse or do worse? Anyway for people who like dynamic queue a solo queue system doesn't allow them to even play the way they want to... while a dynamic queue still allows solo players to play solo and allows premades to play.

As in others' experiences

No, dynamic queue doesn't allow me to get matched how I want to get matched. The problem isn't that dynamic queue exists. It should exist. The problem is that solo queue doesn't exist.

ntbcool1 votes

I understand why people want solo queue but it's not that simple because if it exists then that will instantly kill dynamic queue and alienates everyone that wants to play in premades.

69982196_DEL1 votes

And yet DQ punish solos while still be in need of them.

Nameless Voice2 votes

You missed a couple of important points:

As a solo player in a team of premades:

  • You are at a disadvantage in terms of communication because the premades will all talk on voice comms and mostly won't communicate with you at all (except perhaps to flame you.)
  • You are being intentionally matched with players who have less MMR / skill than you, which can often lead to a huge skill disparity between the different members of the same team.
  • You are punished in terms of rewards (key chance, chests, IP) compared to them.

I go into each of these (and other issues with the current ranked system and dynamic queue) in more detail in my thread, here:

The current state of ranked: the major problems, with some proposed solutions

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

Oh I bet I missed some or didn't bother to list a few. The fact that riot couldn't foresee all these problems is mind boggling

Athenes Lulu1 votes

I don't mind playing with premade groups, I can easily adapt to whatever they need, even if they are all on voice comms and I'm not. Yes, even when I play alone.

I'm pretty sure there are people who don't mind and think the sane way. Now my only concern is if the enemy team has the equal kinds of premades, speaking of fairness.

Now quit making generalizations just because you don't like something.

69982196_DEL1 votes

We are getting forced by Riot into the system that craps on us and give us no compensation and further more destroyed the ranking system which was the major motivation for most of us. So yeah, why would we?

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